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Lead out in cuffs posted:So apparently there have been convoys formed in parts of rural BC to gently caress with the firefighters. They literally got everything they wanted after last year's temper tantrum; it's only logical that they will find other excuses to do it again.
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ColdBlooded posted:They literally got everything they wanted after last year's temper tantrum; it's only logical that they will find other excuses to do it again. Did they? The various organizers still ended up in court, and they didn’t get rid of Trudeau, stupid “citizen’s rights” poo poo or whatever. Like it was bad, but the feds didn’t roll over and give in.
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Aug 25, 2023 23:15
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Arivia posted:Did they? The various organizers still ended up in court, and they didn’t get rid of Trudeau, stupid “citizen’s rights” poo poo or whatever. Like it was bad, but the feds didn’t roll over and give in. I mean ok, Trudeau didn't get tried for treason or whatever they were demanding but the feds and provinces all magically decided to pretend Covid was over not long after.
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Aug 25, 2023 23:22
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They wanted attention, graft money and relative freedom from the consequences of their actions
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Aug 25, 2023 23:22
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Well, that, and a nation that made them feel heard, and sympathized with their actual hardships; even if it was a nation of white nationalists who subsumed those hardships with conspiracy gibberish and nonsensical libertarian ravings
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Aug 25, 2023 23:32
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ColdBlooded posted:I mean ok, Trudeau didn't get tried for treason or whatever they were demanding but the feds and provinces all magically decided to pretend Covid was over not long after. For the most part (relative to the first two waves) it was, at that point most of the country had been vaccinated and we were moving into weaker strains they weren't even catering covid-tests to. Essentially it had hit a point where the roaming covid infections weren't enough to cripple a businesses work force and at that point its back to work. Feel sick? Go home, if you test negative come back in three days despite these tests being outdated and the infection period being five days. At that point the flimsy rules kept businesses open even if 10% were infected at all times. It's a funny thought to think some truckers were the reason the pace of a virus and effectiveness of vaccines led us to removing mandates, but correlation is not causation. I worked through the entire pandemic and by the time the convoys happened it didn't seem to make much sense as were almost over the hill anyways--given a new terrible strain wasn't looming anywhere, which at the time it wasn't on our continent anyways.
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Aug 25, 2023 23:58
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Arivia posted:hey come on, sometimes this nation is pretty cool, like when i screw my eyes shut real tight and scream oh canada (the jully black version) as loud as i can WHILE BLOCKING OUT LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE AND EMPTYING MY HEAD OF ALL THOUGHTS BUT PATRIOTISM. and then i come back to the real world and see a galen weston branded thing and my blood pressure skyrockets to infinity. I mean, the whole Ram Ranch thing was cool. Sure we have some chuds, but we have even more people willing to gently caress with them in creative ways.
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Aug 26, 2023 00:25
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Faucet Drinker posted:For the most part (relative to the first two waves) it was, at that point most of the country had been vaccinated and we were moving into weaker strains they weren't even catering covid-tests to. Essentially it had hit a point where the roaming covid infections weren't enough to cripple a businesses work force and at that point its back to work. 
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Aug 26, 2023 00:26
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Randalor posted:I mean, the whole Ram Ranch thing was cool. Sure we have some chuds, but we have even more people willing to gently caress with them in creative ways. yeah but that could be anyone. that's not specifically canada. nothing about ram ranch is maple flavoured.
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Aug 26, 2023 00:29
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Randalor posted:I mean, the whole Ram Ranch thing was cool. Sure we have some chuds, but we have even more people willing to gently caress with them in creative ways. Toronto's response to the Ram Ranchers is one of like 3 times I've been proud of or at least optimistic about my city in the last ten years, along with the Raptors and electing Olivia as mayor.
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Aug 26, 2023 00:50
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Arivia posted:yeah but that could be anyone. that's not specifically canada. nothing about ram ranch is maple flavoured. Aside from the singer?
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Aug 26, 2023 00:50
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Mr. Mercury posted:Aside from the singer? was he canadian? that's nice
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Aug 26, 2023 01:19
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TIL about Quebec Boomhauer and my world has been changed https://x.com/lilgrapefruits/status/1652333476727881729?s=46&t=6HOSYVrXffESMo0NlyR0Lg
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Arivia posted:was he canadian? that's nice Doing his part to ensure CanCon standards are met in the phreedum convoy voice chats
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Wistful of Dollars posted:TIL about Quebec Boomhauer and my world has been changed Is he deaf in Quebec?
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McGavin posted:When people say "southwestern Ontario" are they talking about Kenora, Thunder Bay, or Windsor? Fort Frances.
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Aug 26, 2023 14:20
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Faucet Drinker posted:For the most part (relative to the first two waves) it was, at that point most of the country had been vaccinated and we were moving into weaker strains they weren't even catering covid-tests to. Essentially it had hit a point where the roaming covid infections weren't enough to cripple a businesses work force and at that point its back to work. That's completely wrong the trucker poo poo happened right after omicron appeared (worst of the entire pandemic) and there was another huge spike in April right before mandates were lifted.
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Aug 26, 2023 18:23
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The protests in Ottawa came after things were more relaxed, no? I distinctly remember everyone making fun of the “no more lockdowns” demands. Whether authorities should have been trying their hardest to remove restrictions is another issue, but the truckers lagged the actual restrictions by a lot in my mind. It’s weird to think how recent this was and how you’ve got me questioning it now.
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Aug 27, 2023 04:38
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I drove past a gently caress Trudeau compound today complete with prepper water barrels and huge signs (a mix of gently caress Trudeau and No Trespassing). Also saw a house with a "BC loves Pierre" sign and I avoided soliciting there.
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Aug 27, 2023 04:46
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yippee cahier posted:The protests in Ottawa came after things were more relaxed, no? I distinctly remember everyone making fun of the “no more lockdowns” demands. Whether authorities should have been trying their hardest to remove restrictions is another issue, but the truckers lagged the actual restrictions by a lot in my mind. It’s weird to think how recent this was and how you’ve got me questioning it now. No you're right. I work in municipal government and restrictions at that point had already been reduced to wearing masks indoors and stores having those plastic dividers up, and I know for a fact MB at least was already discussing easing restrictions further in the spring/summer of 2022. Didn't stop the convoy from thinking it was thanks to them being annoying dipshits though.
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Aug 27, 2023 14:56
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RBC posted:That's completely wrong the trucker poo poo happened right after omicron appeared (worst of the entire pandemic) and there was another huge spike in April right before mandates were lifted. Omicron was the last one not delta my bad on that one, but that wave and the following spike were manageable due to vaccinations, many of us who got sick in that wave experienced a far milder version due to the antibodies, the trajectory was already arcing towards the mandates being lifted.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:01
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yippee cahier posted:The protests in Ottawa came after things were more relaxed, no? I distinctly remember everyone making fun of the “no more lockdowns” demands. Whether authorities should have been trying their hardest to remove restrictions is another issue, but the truckers lagged the actual restrictions by a lot in my mind. It’s weird to think how recent this was and how you’ve got me questioning it now. It's almost as though they were complete and total idiots instigated into quarter-assed terrorism by a steady stream of Internet-enabled politics of American right-wing petty grievance, or something.
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Aug 27, 2023 16:48
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yippee cahier posted:The protests in Ottawa came after things were more relaxed, no? I distinctly remember everyone making fun of the “no more lockdowns” demands. Whether authorities should have been trying their hardest to remove restrictions is another issue, but the truckers lagged the actual restrictions by a lot in my mind. It’s weird to think how recent this was and how you’ve got me questioning it now. Particularly so in Alberta where a lot of the convoy seemed to originate. By the time it departed all the rules were already gone here.
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Aug 27, 2023 17:11
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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It looks like retailers are getting ready for another wave. Here in Toronto and the surrounding areas I’ve noticed that retail workers have started wearing masks again, some places have started putting up physical barriers between checkouts, and I’ve also seen a few fresh “please stand 2 metres apart” stickers on the floor.
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Aug 27, 2023 18:00
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yippee cahier posted:The protests in Ottawa came after things were more relaxed, no? I distinctly remember everyone making fun of the “no more lockdowns” demands. Whether authorities should have been trying their hardest to remove restrictions is another issue, but the truckers lagged the actual restrictions by a lot in my mind. It’s weird to think how recent this was and how you’ve got me questioning it now. The vaccine mandates were put in place in Ontario only just in september 2021, three months before the convoy. There was a lot of consent manufacturing going on with omicron were the media was like "welp, it's too contagious we're just gonna have to give up" and that's when things started to shift. But that was right in December and January. In any case I don't agree with the narrative that those convoy protests were ineffective. Protests, especially really disruptive spectacles like that, are VERY effective. But it is in the government's interest to downplay the actual effects. I don't agree with the way it was executed at all, but it was one of the most disruptive if not the most disruptive protest I've seen in Canada.
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Aug 27, 2023 19:24
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Theoretically, at least, the trucker protest was about vaccination mandates to cross the borders. And, to a point, I get why that was a sore point for a lot of people considering that we were spreading plague domestically very well indeed. It's not like foreign virus was somehow worse or more dangerous than our pure Canadian kind.
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Aug 28, 2023 00:52
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PT6A posted:Theoretically, at least, the trucker protest was about vaccination mandates to cross the borders. Which was a U.S. policy, best addressed by plaintive letters to Joe Biden. A bunch of randos proclaiming that they were willing to meet with the governor general so she could dismiss the government and install them in its place had nothing to do with protest and everything to do with seeing if you could perpetrate a coup by clogging up traffic in Ottawa and harassing the local populace.
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Aug 28, 2023 01:14
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If they had just held out for another month it might have worked
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Aug 28, 2023 01:29
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The trucker protest was the most effective protest I’ve seen in my lifetime. We’re living in the world the truckers wanted. Masks, mandates, and public health measures are nowhere to be found. More importantly, government would never dare bring them back for anything to do with COVID, and a strong public health response to any new is probably crippled for a generation.
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Aug 28, 2023 02:06
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The organization for the trucker protest long predated the things they were allegedly protesting, and their more banal demands being confused for success here, like the absence of masks or an open American border, were things that were always going to happen.
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Aug 28, 2023 03:07
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They got Sloly fired. Well, Sloly got Sloly fired, but still.
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Aug 28, 2023 03:11
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flakeloaf posted:The organization for the trucker protest long predated the things they were allegedly protesting, and their more banal demands being confused for success here, like the absence of masks or an open American border, were things that were always going to happen. Yes and yes That organization was Yellow Vests / PEDIGA / Sons of Odin. A bunch of loving racists and fascists. You do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
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Aug 28, 2023 03:30
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IDK, there were some important lessons for leftist organizers. Like, get the police to provide material aid and support and let you do whatever you want while you escalate the situation for literally weeks. I can't believe no one thought of that before.
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Aug 28, 2023 03:45
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Yeah, it really helps when the police are on your side from the get go.
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Was it ever confirmed that members of JTF-2 were there supplying "strategic advice" or whatever? ( to the convoy ) That always seemed unbelievable but I have some dusty memory of there being a story in the press about it afterwards. Another Bill fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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funny song about politics posted:The trucker protest was the most effective protest I’ve seen in my lifetime. We’re living in the world the truckers wanted. Masks, mandates, and public health measures are nowhere to be found. More importantly, government would never dare bring them back for anything to do with COVID, and a strong public health response to any new is probably crippled for a generation. This was going to happen regardless, nobody wanted restrictions.
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Charles Bukowski posted:I wanted restrictions kinky
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Jordan7hm posted:This was going to happen regardless, nobody wanted restrictions. People actually did, and politicians and policy makers perceived this. It’s why the level of restrictions varied across countries/states/provinces according to their political climates. Canadian governments did public opinion research obsessively during COVID and their perception of what people would tolerate, and what people wanted, had a huge amount to do with what they tried to implement. Vaccine mandates, for example, were widely supported, if not demanded by the public, at least for a time. So even governments that swore against them ended up using them. No one in power wants the embarrassment of pulling a lever and finding out it’s not connected to anything, or worse that it spurs a public backlash. That’s the current state of public health thinking now, and I would argue that the trucker protest was a big part of what got us here. This isn’t the same as saying the truckers single-handedly ended restrictions. I do think those were on the way out no matter what. But as I said, the more important point is that public health is thoroughly spooked and operating from a defensive posture even in domains that have nothing to do with the pandemic. Not good! funny song about politics fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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Another Bill posted:Was it ever confirmed that members of JTF-2 were there supplying "strategic advice" or whatever? ( to the convoy ) Those stories all seemed to die off so I can only assume that they were true.
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