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Going inside a nearly-dead mall is kind of an unnerving experience. We went to one in Athens, GA (because a retro game store was located inside) and I'd estimate the population breakdown of people we saw there was probably 50% store staff, 47% mall cops (because the area PD had taken over a significant chunk of the building), and 3% people actually shopping. poo poo felt like I was in the early stages of a zombie movie or something. Meanwhile the mall closest to where I live has a Dave & Busters, a trampoline park, and a Medieval Times (and a lovely escape room) so I definitely could see the vibe of malls converting away from strictly retail and more toward activity centers.
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Wow here's a blast from the past https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1695931894045544506?s=20 Apparently he died from pancreatic cancer which is possibly the worst way you can go from cancer
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Mellow Seas posted:Yeah, it's fun to toss around ideas about malls, because we have these big buildings that will stand for centuries with regular maintenance, which seems like a useful resource we oughta use somehow or another. But holy poo poo, do I never want anybody to build another one. Mixed zoning TOD infill, rinse, repeat. Future archaeologists will say these impressive structures were clearly used for ritual purposes.
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Clarste posted:Future archaeologists will say these impressive structures were clearly used for ritual purposes. They worshipped a being called IZOD...
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Aug 28, 2023 05:38
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The Westfield Century City here in LA is ultra-high end and it's doing fine. They spent 1 billion renovating it but it has an Eataly and like every luxury brand. The Westside Pavilion is nearby and was in a ton of movies. It's becoming a Google office.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Some malls are managing the transition. Crossroads in Bellevue WA is a good example. They basically became a (good) ethnic food court with music, ample seating, and a grocery store. Shrecknet posted:
should not i think go unremarked that there is no mystery as to why crossroads is the way it is: it's due not to any particular fluke of geography or economics or demographics, but because of religion. the family that owns it is evangelical and views maintaining the space as a community center as part of their ministry. motives other than profit inform its management.
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Aug 28, 2023 05:58
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Shooting Blanks posted:The problem is that the structures are very difficult to repurpose for anything. They don't work well at all for housing or office space
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HookedOnChthonics posted:should not i think go unremarked that there is no mystery as to why crossroads is the way it is: it's due not to any particular fluke of geography or economics or demographics, but because of religion. the family that owns it is evangelical and views maintaining the space as a community center as part of their ministry. motives other than profit inform its management. Looking into this Ron Sher who developed it is extremely big on “third spaces”. And he sold ROIC, which is a pretty normal REIT. What’s his denomination?
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Aug 28, 2023 06:37
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Clarste posted:Future archaeologists will say these impressive structures were clearly used for ritual purposes. Would love to hear what they think the societal and ritualistic means by which one received a gift from the clearly powerful Spencer was.
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Aug 28, 2023 08:50
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FlamingLiberal posted:Wow here's a blast from the past #RIPBOZO
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Does anyone know if the Mall of America is doing well? I guess King of Prussia and Lenox Square/Phipps Plaza would be a couple other super regionals.
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C. Everett Koop posted:The mall by me is mostly a good place to shoot someone and/or get shot, which people tend to not like. You'll have to forgive me to my lack of sourcing on that last part. Sorry I should clarify, 2D fighting games were inferior, and I was a Marvel vs Capcom addict. Tekken games were actually better than the arcade, because the arcade hardware was basically a PlayStation and the home versions had way more content
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Clarste posted:Future archaeologists will say these impressive structures were clearly used for ritual purposes. this guy goes through abandoned malls across the US. It's fun and creepy!
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Sundae posted:They worshipped a being called IZOD... "My name is IZOD... for ZUMIEZ I am an exterminator" Mooseontheloose posted:this guy goes through abandoned malls across the US. It's fun and creepy! I watch the Bright Sun Films channel sometimes, but there's a lot of great 'wow guys lets gawk at this creepy decaying mall' content on youtube. Some of it has good historical context for the structures, but it would be neat to see someone mix in more economic and class discussion into their mall spelunking. MixMasterMalaria fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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Josh Lyman posted:Does anyone know if the Mall of America is doing well? I guess King of Prussia and Lenox Square/Phipps Plaza would be a couple other super regionals. Yeah, the Mall of America is doing fine. There have been some slight shifts here and there (Best Buy moved out and was replaced by laser tag, for example), but any empty retail space is still snatched up pretty quick. I think there are enough tourist destinations there (Nickelodeon theme park, aquarium, attached ritzy hotel space for weddings) so that the surrounding retail space is always going to be in high demand.
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sharknado slashfic posted:Hello fellow Marylander Yes hello, it me, the marylander who outed themselves Incidently there is one mall that is dead/dying that probably would have made it through if the Light Rail had gotten like... one more frigging stop so it ended at it, or had its full length because then it would have had a lot more access than being a suburban mess that is outlived by the hot dog stand next door.
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The mall nearby in Bristol, VA got converted to a casino recently. Surprisingly, crime has skyrocketed since the literal day of opening according to some sleuthing done by the local paper. Strange and unforeseen surely!
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AtomikKrab posted:Yes hello, it me, the marylander who outed themselves Probably not, after all, the metro is what killed the Owings Mills Mall what with them city folk coming in and criming 
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Clarste posted:Future archaeologists will say these impressive structures were clearly used for ritual purposes. It's high time someone wrote a sequel to Motel of the Mysteries.
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McCarthy is going to open an impeachment inquiry, but does not appear to actually have the votes for impeachment. Many members feel that they will have to impeach if they have an actual vote, because there is no way they will have a vote on impeachment and then clear Biden. But, there is no evidence and some vulnerable members think voting for impeachment based on nothing will tar them as mindless partisans, but not voting for it would hurt them with their base voters. The compromise is that McCarthy is going to launch an impeachment inquiry without a vote. The thinking is that: - This will buy them time to convince other members to support an impeachment vote. - In addition to buying them time, they can use something from the investigation to hang their hat on and vulnerable members can say they were skeptical, but the investigation changed their mind, and it wasn't a partisan decision. - They can sell this to more moderate members on the promise that it will help avoid a government shutdown because the Freedom Caucus members will be distracted with impeachment and a shutdown would shutdown the impeachment inquiry too. - They can also get vulnerable/moderate members on board by arguing that an impeachment inquiry isn't the same thing as an actual vote and they don't technically have to have an impeachment vote after an inquiry. Although, most members think that they will have to vote afterwards if they start an impeachment inquiry and aren't buying this line. Only about 8 to 10 Republicans aren't fully on board, but McCarthy can only lose 4 and they do not want to have a inquiry without an impeachment vote or an impeachment vote where they exonerate Biden. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1696121431216570679 quote:House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and top Republicans have begun to strategize about how to move forward with an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden this fall – the latest sign that the House GOP is seriously laying the groundwork to initiate rare proceedings against the current president.
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What are we impeaching him for?
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Danknificent posted:What are we impeaching him for? Having a son with a big-rear end dick
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Failed Imagineer posted:Having a son with a big-rear end dick
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Toaster Beef posted:A little further away is the Cherry Hill Mall, which last I checked is doing fuckin' gangbusters. Downside is you have to go to Cherry Hill. There’s a Call of Duty game set in the 80s with a mall level that seems freakishly based on the Cherry Hill mall I remember growing up.
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Danknificent posted:What are we impeaching him for? Being a Democrat while president, duh.
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Danknificent posted:What are we impeaching him for? Corruption and lying (lying in public and not under oath isn't actually a crime, but you don't technically need to do a literal crime to list it in impeachment charges). According to Jim Jordan, he received $60k (10% of the $600k that Hunter Biden and his business partner made from Russian and Kazakhstan-aligned Oligarchs in Burisma) in exchange for official acts benefitting Russia and Kazakhstan. Additionally, the contract that Hunter Biden's company received from a company affiliated with the Chinese government was a roundabout bribe because the revenue his company earned from that deal was money that Biden wouldn't have to spend supporting him if he had no income that year. They have not determined what official acts benefitting Russia, China, or Kazakhstan he has performed yet and there is no evidence he actually received any money, but that is why they need the investigation. Also, it is possible that, like the money from the company affiliated with the Chinese government, that the bribes never went directly to Biden and instead were given to Hunter Biden's company and Jim Biden as a work around bribe because it saved Biden from having to give them money. So it effectively went to him, but they just skipped the step of him transferring it to Hunter and his brother. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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What official acts would have even occurred when he wasn’t in office at the time?
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FlamingLiberal posted:What official acts would have even occurred when he wasn’t in office at the time? He knew he would be running for President and a former Vice-President can probably influence sitting members of the government, so having him in your pocket would be very valuable. We don't know what the official acts were, which is why we need the inquiry. The normal House Oversight Committee hasn't found anything, but an impeachment inquiry gives us stronger legal footing to request additional documents and information.
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Randalor posted:Being a Democrat while president, duh. AND doing things while President don't forget.
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Fine whatever let them investigate they never find anything, better they do this then sit around and come up with new ways to punish the poor.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Only about 8 to 10 Republicans aren't fully on board, but McCarthy can only lose 4 and they do not want to have a inquiry without an impeachment vote or an impeachment vote where they exonerate Biden. The downsides would be 1. pissing off your colleagues in Congress by lying directly to their faces is not generally a good idea for your career (you're supposed to lie to voters, silly!) and 2. even in a more "moderate" district it would probably be enough to get them stomped in a primary. So you know, basically it's a terrible idea, is what I'm saying. But it would be funny if it happened.
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Toaster Beef posted:I grew up with two malls within a few miles, the Shore Mall and the Hamilton Mall. Both died slow and painful deaths over the course of the mid-00s, but only the Shore Mall realized it and was razed accordingly. The Hamilton Mall continues chugging along, but it's in a depressing state. Mostly empty storefronts. The Echelon Mall was already on its way down by the late 90s apart from its sweet laser tag place. Over on the other side of the river, the King of Prussia mall will probably never die, though the other smaller ones (Plymouth Meeting, Montgomeryville, Franklin Mills, etc) are all in various states of decay
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Toaster Beef posted:I grew up with two malls within a few miles, the Shore Mall and the Hamilton Mall. Both died slow and painful deaths over the course of the mid-00s, but only the Shore Mall realized it and was razed accordingly. The Hamilton Mall continues chugging along, but it's in a depressing state. Mostly empty storefronts. Same! I'm from Brigantine and miss going to the movies across the parking lot after walking the Shore Mall. Boscovs is the only thing left really.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Yeah, the Mall of America is doing fine. There have been some slight shifts here and there (Best Buy moved out and was replaced by laser tag, for example), but any empty retail space is still snatched up pretty quick. I think there are enough tourist destinations there (Nickelodeon theme park, aquarium, attached ritzy hotel space for weddings) so that the surrounding retail space is always going to be in high demand. I think they've recently started adding some pretty large non-shopping attractions like an indoor waterpark, too. Seems like they're not having any trouble.
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https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1695953575501795830 Well, good news Vivek Also I was reading that Ramaswamy ascribes to a weird sect of Hindu that believes there is one God, and that God is Jesus, but he's also part of the Hindu pantheon, which is all one god, which is Jesus. I didn't really understand.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1695953575501795830 Where did you read that? The only thing I have seen is just him trying to either avoid mentioning his religion or trying to blur the lines by saying things like "I believe in the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded on" to kind of shy away from it. The closest thing I can find is a quote where he is doing something similar and trying to portray himself as very Christian-influenced. I don't think he is actually part of any weird sect officially, but I might be wrong. quote:“I was raised in a belief system where there is one true God who empowers each of us with our own capacities,” he said. “As we say in the Hindu tradition, God resides in each one of us. In the Christian tradition, you say we’re all made in the image of God.” quote:Ramaswamy said he was also deeply influenced by Christians. He cemented his anti-abortion stance while attending St. Xavier Catholic High School in Cincinnati, and learned a strong “Protestant work ethic” from his piano teacher of 10 years.
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Gyges posted:Would love to hear what they think the societal and ritualistic means by which one received a gift from the clearly powerful Spencer was. My brother went to high school with the actual Spencer. His father named the chain after him. He never lived down the shame.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1695953575501795830 Belief in one god "in many manifestations" is pretty common amongst Hindus. Hindu mythology is also rife with avatars, earthly manifestations of divine beings. So between two of the anchors of Christian belief--the Trinity and Christ's divine nature--there's a lot of common theological ground to tread. So yeah, it's probably really not all that weird. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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zoux posted:Also I was reading that Ramaswamy ascribes to a weird sect of Hindu that believes there is one God, and that God is Jesus, but he's also part of the Hindu pantheon, which is all one god, which is Jesus. I didn't really understand. Hindu religious movements do this occasionally. There have been catholic missionaries in Goa for half a Millennium so syncretic Hindu-Christian hybrids are not all that unusual (Hinduism nimbly absords/coopts other religions very easily, some sects view the Buddha as a reincarnation of Vishnu for instance.)
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Judgy Fucker posted:So yeah, it's probably really not all that weird. Probably is to the GOP electorate
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