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It's funny to see someone in his position have his unfiltered opinions aired like that but I can't say I hate his takes. If you want a comicbook purist's opinion of Batman '89 I would expect something like that. Burton and Keaton were not exactly putting O'Neil & Adams Batman up on the screen.
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I don't know about the rest of the soundtrack but the Batman theme kicks rear end.
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Aug 28, 2023 19:46
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we have to get this guy fired now somebody get jack posobiec on the phone
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Aug 28, 2023 19:48
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Nobody want to hear about or cares about 12 year old tweets from James Gunn. And if they do, well they can go find them elsewhere. We've done that dance before. So he didn't like the the Burton Batman? Who cares?
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Aug 28, 2023 19:59
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Just to remind people, these texts are from way before even GOTG. Gunn's most recent film in 2011 was Super.
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Aug 28, 2023 20:10
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Imagine giving a poo poo
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Aug 28, 2023 20:11
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okay, but his post about nicolson joker just being nicholson in clown makeup is 100% on point. Everything else is bad and wrong tho
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Aug 28, 2023 20:23
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89 wasn't for me either. Just didn't resonate. Too of its time or something, between Arliss and the art museum and Batman just having a perforated cowl remover in case a girl came over. It's fine but it's not my favorite. I prefer Returns a bunch. Also just saw Flash and part of what was wrong here is Ezra Miller's "comedy teen" voice sounds like a fuckin' Paulie Shore impression.
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Aug 28, 2023 20:44
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I saw Returns first as a kid and it really colored my view of 89 to always view it as a less ambitious and less refined prequel. No matter how many times I try to watch it, it just doesn't hit for me. Didn't help things that Basinger was no retroactive substitute for Pfeiffer in any way.
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Aug 28, 2023 20:45
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Joe Fisto posted:The people who hate Gunn (Snyder fans) are insane. That’s all. End of story. No need to think about it any longer. I like Snyder's movies AND I like Gunn. Checkmate.
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Conrad_Birdie posted:Imagine giving a poo poo No, but now we're never going to see Tim Burton make another Batman movie starring Michael Keaton!
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Aug 28, 2023 20:55
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Wasn't there actually supposed to be a planned new Keaton Batman movie that was cancelled recently?
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Aug 28, 2023 20:59
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Wasn't there actually supposed to be a planned new Keaton Batman movie that was cancelled recently? He was supposed to be part of Batgirl.
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Aug 28, 2023 21:01
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Wasn't there actually supposed to be a planned new Keaton Batman movie that was cancelled recently? Keaton was in the shelved Batgirl movie.
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Aug 28, 2023 21:02
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I forgot about Batgirl too. Google says there was a planned Batman Beyond movie and several cameos in other movies that were scrapped, so not a new solo movie, but a co-star role and lot of other Keaton appearances.
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Aug 28, 2023 21:07
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Google says there was a planned Batman Beyond movie This has only ever been a rumor and fan wishcasting.
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Aug 28, 2023 21:38
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Timby posted:This has only ever been a rumor and fan wishcasting. I'm casting that wish really hard though
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Aug 28, 2023 21:43
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i like batman 89 and jimmy gunn still, i don't care the current dcu sucks rear end, im glad he's getting a crack at making one not suck rear end james gunn makes bangers, i'm excited to see what he comes up with for superman legacy and where new batman goes e: i will say that batman 89 probably was awfully alienating to batman comics fans at the time and that them still having that opinion makes sense. i was young enough that batman 89 was my first theater experience that i barely remember, so i didn't care about the changes it made to the mythos or the respect it had for the source material. it is wonky rewriting the batman origin and having keaton hang upside down to sleep and all manner of things. but it IS a fun movie. and also the music slaps. he's just wrong on that one. Soul Glo fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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Aug 28, 2023 22:08
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It's funny that this is the big conspiracy theory when the two major parts, cancelling Batgirl and The Flash's story, both have nothing to do with Gunn
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Also, FWIW, if you were a(an adult aged) comic book fan in 1988, and you heard that Michael Keaton was going to be playing Batman, the world was topsy-turvy. Because Keaton was known at the time for his comedy movies, like Gung-Ho and Mr. Mom and Beetlejuice and Johnny Dangerously.
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Aug 28, 2023 22:23
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Which was silly because of course the last time Burton gave a poo poo about Batman was when the titles of the two parter episodes still rhymed. Honestly the best thing about Batman 89 is that it doesn't star Johnny Depp playing Bruce Wayne in the style of Adam West viewed through the lens of Ray Bolger or something.
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CzarChasm posted:Also, FWIW, if you were a(an adult aged) comic book fan in 1988, and you heard that Michael Keaton was going to be playing Batman, the world was topsy-turvy. Because Keaton was known at the time for his comedy movies, like Gung-Ho and Mr. Mom and Beetlejuice and Johnny Dangerously. We went through this with Ledger as Joker too.
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Codependent Poster posted:We went through this with Ledger as Joker too. Yeah, at that point Ledger was known for A Knight's Tale and Brokeback Mountain, and so the "I wish I could quit you, Batman" jokes were loving everywhere when his casting was announced.
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Batman '89 was awesome at the time. Returns was better but that was to be expected.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Google says there was a planned Batman Beyond movie and several cameos in other movies that were scrapped, so not a new solo movie, but a co-star role and lot of other Keaton appearances. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think anyone knows what to do with Beyond anymore. All of the Beyond comics I've read over the past few years haven't been good. I haven't seen anything good in the Beyond timeline since the Return of the Joker movie. Maybe it's best to just enjoy the show and leave it alone.
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Darth Brooks posted:Batman '89 was awesome at the time. Returns was better but that was to be expected. I have always said that Batman '89 is a very good Batman movie that happened to be directed by Tim Burton. Returns is an excellent Tim Burton movie that just so happens to occasionally feature Batman. (Seriously, after the opening with the Red Triangle Circus Gang, Batman doesn't show up for another 45 - 50 minutes.) Joe Fisto posted:Maybe it's just me, but I don't think anyone knows what to do with Beyond anymore. All of the Beyond comics I've read over the past few years haven't been good. I haven't seen anything good in the Beyond timeline since the Return of the Joker movie. I feel like people grossly over-estimate just how much cultural impact Beyond actually had. It was a wildly uneven show that few people ever watched, and even Return of the Joker is a hot mess outside of the flashback sequence.
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Nah, Return of the Joker is great all the way through.
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Batman Beyond is a pretty cool image of what people imagined the future looked like before social media and smartphones ruined everything I think the TV show is pretty great straight through with the exception of the Kobra episodes. None of those were any good.
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Joe Fisto posted:Maybe it's just me, but I don't think anyone knows what to do with Beyond anymore. All of the Beyond comics I've read over the past few years haven't been good. I haven't seen anything good in the Beyond timeline since the Return of the Joker movie. I mean you could say "no one knows what to do with [X] anymore" about a lot of comic properties, and you might even be right, but it doesn't mean it can't be done. Hell, all Spider-Man fans do is complain about Spider-Man comics, but it ain't stopping Spider-Man movies from getting made.
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TwoPair posted:I mean you could say "no one knows what to do with [X] anymore" about a lot of comic properties, and you might even be right, but it doesn't mean it can't be done. Hell, all Spider-Man fans do is complain about Spider-Man comics, but it ain't stopping Spider-Man movies from getting made. This is true. I can though recall reading comics from other characters that have gotten movies where the comics were good. I can't recall a good Beyond comic.
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While I disagree with his Batman 89’ opinions from twelve years ago, everything he’s said recently about Batman (and Robin), and Superman has had me excited to see what he’ll do with those characters. Snyderbros just really want anything to point at as evidence that Gunn will make bad DC movies.
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Codependent Poster posted:Nah, Return of the Joker is great all the way through. Yeah, Return of the Joker is really good and you get some amazing episodes like 'Dead Man's Hand' which are up there with anything in the DCAU.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, Return of the Joker is really good and you get some amazing episodes like 'Dead Man's Hand' which are up there with anything in the DCAU. Return of the Joker has, like, three good sequences: The ending with Terry laughing at the Joker, the flashback, and the bit where Terry discovers Bruce and Ace poisoned. Everything else around it, with Terry, is just a slog.
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The Batfamily's made Beyond superfluous and that's the direction Gunn's going with his Batman. Which is too bad because Beyond's villains had potential.
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April Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AEwFhB9WTk
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Darth Brooks posted:Batman '89 was awesome at the time. Returns was better but that was to be expected. I think Returns is way worse. No one has a coherent motivation, both villains just change sides and what they want at random so poo poo just kind of happens arbitrarily, most of Walken's plot was cut from the movie so he's hanging out doing not much of anything, and Michael Keaton spends 90% of the movie either delivering dialogue in a flat, I-don't-actually-want-to-be-here way or taking his glasses off and looking concerned at a TV screen.
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Blockhouse posted:I think Returns is way worse. No one has a coherent motivation, both villains just change sides and what they want at random so poo poo just kind of happens arbitrarily, most of Walken's plot was cut from the movie so he's hanging out doing not much of anything, and Michael Keaton spends 90% of the movie either delivering dialogue in a flat, I-don't-actually-want-to-be-here way or taking his glasses off and looking concerned at a TV screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPJoRWz8Sc
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Blockhouse posted:I think Returns is way worse. No one has a coherent motivation, both villains just change sides and what they want at random so poo poo just kind of happens arbitrarily, most of Walken's plot was cut from the movie so he's hanging out doing not much of anything, and Michael Keaton spends 90% of the movie either delivering dialogue in a flat, I-don't-actually-want-to-be-here way or taking his glasses off and looking concerned at a TV screen. Returns is a weird beast for me. I know a lot of people like it more than 89 but 89 felt more like a restrained Burton which means he couldn't get too weird and Returns feels like Burton going too weird for his own good. I prefer 89 personally. I know that Burton was never a Batman fan and I don't think he even read Batman comics and it really shows, but there is enough of a good storyline and performance and he isn't going too crazy so it feels more focused than Returns. Returns had great performances but it just felt like each character was trying to ham it up too much and Burton was thinking "how kooky....I love it" way too much.
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Some random news and a rumor: - The Marvels will be the shortest MCU movie with a runtime of 1 hour and 37 minutes. - The Marvels will now debut in IMAX theaters after Dune 2 was delayed by WB and Disney took the slots. - Chris McKenna and (co-writer for all three previous MCU Spider-Man movies and Community) and Erik Sommers (co-writer for all three previous MCU Spider-Man movies, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and American Dad) are the writers for Spider-Man 4 and had a nearly completed script finished pre-strike. Leaked set photos from Daredevil seem to confirm rumors that the plot revolves around street-level threats after Wilson Fisk becomes Mayor of NYC.. - The unannounced movie right before the Kang Dynasty is likely to be Doctor Strange 3. It will be loosely based on the 2014-2015 Doctor Strange comic arc "Time Runs Out." - Grain of salt rumor: The specific way they are adapting "Time Runs Out" is that (spoilered just in case - it is a rumor from a site that has gotten correct leaks before, but take this entirely with a grain of salt) Doctor Strange and Kang are leading opposing teams of supervillains to fight over the multiverse and everyone else is stuck in the middle. Kang actually wants to save the other multiverses to secure permanent peace as a multiversal benevolent dictator/conqueror and Doctor Strange decides that the only way to permanently save his universe is to destroy the other multiverses because variants of himself in other universes came to the same conclusion and are planning to save their universes by destroying the others. This is foreshadowed by every version of himself in Multiverse of Madness eventually using the Darkhold because they are willing to do anything to save their universe. It would be an interesting twist on the adaptation. The stuff with Clea and the Black Priests was already set up in MoM. Seems way too specific to be entirely legit, but I actually like the idea. https://www.comicbasics.com/the-marvels-rumored-runtime-indicates-it-as-the-shortest-mcu-movie-yet/ https://m.imdb.com/news/ni64197588/?ref_=nws_nwr_li https://maxblizz.com/tom-hollands-spider-man-4-script-completed-by-chris-mckenna-and-erik-sommers-before-the-wga-and-sag-aftra-strikes/
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