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DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

The Voice of Labor posted:

you worry about how many black people are in prison?

fuckin galaxy brains lmfaoooo

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DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

ex post facho posted:

just thinking about the imminent restart of student loan payments for some reason
don't be ridiculous, someone I personally know got their student loans forgiven and is gonna get a full refund for any payments made since mid 2019

because he has been paying them for over 20 years, because he is my loving father-in-law and old as dirt

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

The Voice of Labor posted:

would that have some bearing on the fact that college admissions way disproportionately over represent asian people, presummably as a result of affirmative action laws? or that there's a photo of some astroturfed group of pressumably asian people protesting that affirmative action laws have harmed them?

Asians are overrrepresented in higher education because asians perform disproportionately well on the acceptance criteria of higher education. This is why asian groups have been used as stalking horses to dismantle affirmative action: asian acceptance rates are suppressed by both affirmative action and things like legacy admissions that preference white people.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
Incidentally, studies have shown that white people's interest in objective acceptance criteria goes up and down based on how much information you give them about how well white people perform on those criteria vs. asians.

e: also this is one of the interesting wrinkles of the case that did away with affirmative action- people were pointing to the bit in the decision where they were like 'yeah you can't just let someone in because they're black but you can let them in because of the great essay they wrote about being black' and saying that this didn't change a whole lot. But for the plaintiffs of the case, that actually does make a big difference, because asians aren't going to really benefit from affirmative action based on numbers, but they do experience prejudice in their daily lives and so their essays to that effect will need to be graded as such.

30.5 Days has issued a correction as of 17:39 on Aug 28, 2023

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry

DACK FAYDEN posted:

don't be ridiculous, someone I personally know got their student loans forgiven and is gonna get a full refund for any payments made since mid 2019

because he has been paying them for over 20 years, because he is my loving father-in-law and old as dirt

lol jesus

feels like there's a big ol sword of damocles hanging over the broader economy in October.

ProperGanderPusher
Jan 13, 2012




Gunshow Poophole posted:

lol jesus

feels like there's a big ol sword of damocles hanging over the broader economy in October.

The SAVE plan might soften the blow a bit, but dropping what’s effectively an anti-stimulus during a period of high inflation is still stupid as hell

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



ProperGanderPusher posted:

The SAVE plan might soften the blow a bit, but dropping what’s effectively an anti-stimulus during a period of high inflation is still stupid as hell

actually they're convinced it's a good idea since taking peoples' money away they would otherwise spend on goods and services is supposed to reduce inflation, if you follow the mainstream economic idea that inflation only happens when people have too much money

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

30.5 Days posted:

Asians are overrrepresented in higher education because asians perform disproportionately well on the acceptance criteria of higher education. This is why asian groups have been used as stalking horses to dismantle affirmative action: asian acceptance rates are suppressed by both affirmative action and things like legacy admissions that preference white people.

the other side of that is without affirmative action, all admissions would be of the white people preferencing legacy variety

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

ProperGanderPusher posted:

The SAVE plan might soften the blow a bit, but dropping what’s effectively an anti-stimulus during a period of high inflation is still stupid as hell

SAVE doesn't actually go into effect until next July.

You can apply for it now though.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

ProperGanderPusher posted:

The SAVE plan might soften the blow a bit, but dropping what’s effectively an anti-stimulus during a period of high inflation is still stupid as hell

THE DEMOCRATS!
Thinking I might have to start supporting them as an accelerationist.

ProperGanderPusher
Jan 13, 2012




PostNouveau posted:

SAVE doesn't actually go into effect until next July.

You can apply for it now though.

Why in the hell do they need a whole year to roll this poo poo out? Is it so it’s fresh in our minds right before the election? Do they just want a good year of squeezing us in the hopes of putting a dent in inflation? Why are the Democrats such a waste?

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

PostNouveau posted:

SAVE doesn't actually go into effect until next July.

You can apply for it now though.

lol

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

it wont soften anything for long because it does nothing to lower or cap prices of education

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Just think, in a year you could have your monthly payment reduced from 10% of your income to a weighted average of 5% and 10% depending on your graduate loan burden.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




SAVE is not even a new plan. It's just a revised version of REPAYE.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Fitzy Fitz posted:

SAVE is not even a new plan. It's just a revised version of REPAYE.

a modest tweak to an existing program not set to begin for another year? this is the kind of stuff that makes liberals go wild.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

The Voice of Labor posted:

the other side of that is without affirmative action, all admissions would be of the white people preferencing legacy variety
snopes rates this five pinocchios because harvard educated professionals have fewer children on average so harvard would not be able to fill every slot with legacies and sports kids and billionaires' kids

(barely)

(and yes you are supposed to read that sentence in a "wow idiocracy was a documentary :thunk:" twitter lib voice)

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
I emailed them a week ago to ask if enrolling in this plan would reset my payment clock and have heard gently caress-all about it.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

PostNouveau posted:

SAVE doesn't actually go into effect until next July.

You can apply for it now though.

lmao

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Weka posted:

THE DEMOCRATS!
Thinking I might have to start supporting them as an accelerationist.

The current democratic term has given us
  • The worst inflation since Stagflation
  • The loss of access to abortion for most of the country
  • Plunged Europe into an energy crisis (which has caused a manufacturing and economic crisis)
  • Increased tension with a nuclear adversary
  • Both shown the world the limits of US economic sanctions and allowed our rising adversaries to build the tools to escape them
  • Opened the door to criminal prosecution of the ruling regime's political opponents
I'm not a fan of the democrats but you can't say they aren't doing their part to destroy the empire

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




bedpan posted:

a modest tweak to an existing program not set to begin for another year? this is the kind of stuff that makes liberals go wild.

This new SAVE plan, imho, is the real winner here and I am disappointed its benefits are overshadowed by yesterday's loss. I think once people see how significantly their payments will be reduced, they'll want to protect this new plan at all costs. Those low and middle income borrowers worrying about the struggle once payments resume should really take a look.

This is real progress to help clean up a broken system. I'd hate to think it gets dismantled before it gets a chance to walk. Vote accordingly!

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

ClassActionFursuit posted:

Opened the door to criminal prosecution of the ruling regime's political opponents
Serious question, is it actually bad for them to rediscover the ability to play hardball? Assuming we all want the Demon KKK Rat Party to be destroyed, and I know I do, is there not an "accelerationist" argument in favour of it even if they use it to do bad things to good people?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Halloween Jack posted:

Serious question, is it actually bad for them to rediscover the ability to play hardball? Assuming we all want the Demon KKK Rat Party to be destroyed, and I know I do, is there not an "accelerationist" argument in favour of it even if they use it to do bad things to good people?

it’s not like trump shouldn’t go to jail, just that bush, obama, Clinton, and Carter should go to jail first

my god. he’s Americas Mikhail Khodorkovsky

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Halloween Jack posted:

Serious question, is it actually bad for them to rediscover the ability to play hardball? Assuming we all want the Demon KKK Rat Party to be destroyed, and I know I do, is there not an "accelerationist" argument in favour of it even if they use it to do bad things to good people?

I would argue it's bad simply because the democrats lack a political project. They aren't locking up Trump to further policy goals, they're doing it to fundraise which is the only function of a political party as far as they're concerned. They're not doing it to get us any material benefit.

I think it's also bad because the consequence is that once the Rubicon is crossed the republicans will now do the same. The differences being that the republicans have stacked the courts at every level, the republicans actually want to do things (like oppress minorities, deny personhood to trans people, etc.), and the republicans don't care about damage to institutions. They rightly view political structures as means to an end.

In other words, if arresting your political opponents is now just how business gets done and if the republicans are the only ones with business they want to do, it's only going to make it easier for them to accomplish their goals which they weren't having much trouble with before.

However I could be convinced that since there's no real opposition to liberalism in America anyway who cares, lock them all up. Obviously if Trump had locked up Hillary I'd support it. In either case I think it's hard to argue that it strengthens the institutions of America for it to occur and I was making a list of damage to the country that's happened under Biden.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

ClassActionFursuit posted:

I think it's also bad because the consequence is that once the Rubicon is crossed the republicans will now do the same.
Isn't this literally the Democrats' excuse for not doing anything?

I don't see any reason to believe that the Republicans are waiting for Democrats to give them the justification to do anything. They're moving in that direction as fast as they can get away with, and there's a lot to be said about what those actual limitations are, but the level of decorum maintained by the Democratic Party apparatchiks doesn't seem to be a factor whatsoever

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Halloween Jack posted:

Isn't this literally the Democrats' excuse for not doing anything?

It might be their excuse but it's not their reason. Their reason is because they don't want to do anything, full stop. I'm not even sure their party platform has any mention of something they want to do (though I'm not going to look). As for their excuse, I feel like it's whatever it has to be. The parliamentarian says we can't. A judge in Texas says we can't. The Supreme Court says we can't. Oops, we lost our supermajority. Oops we lost our majority. The filibuster, man, can't get around that. The important thing is that they don't want to do anything and if they did, they can't because of all these excuses.

Halloween Jack posted:

I don't see any reason to believe that the Republicans are waiting for Democrats to give them the justification to do anything. They're moving in that direction as fast as they can get away with, and there's a lot to be said about what those actual limitations are, but the level of decorum maintained by the Democratic Party apparatchiks doesn't seem to be a factor whatsoever

It's tough to say because on the one hand the Trump administration was a clown show and couldn't accomplish anything and on the other hand it's not like the democrats oppose republican policies. You're right though, this is the party that's willing to just let the Supreme Court decide an election in their favor when they lost it, they genuinely do not care. I still tend to think this is new territory that they probably would've come to had Bernie won on their own but now we'll never know.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Why in the hell do they need a whole year to roll this poo poo out? Is it so it’s fresh in our minds right before the election? Do they just want a good year of squeezing us in the hopes of putting a dent in inflation? Why are the Democrats such a waste?

Loan servicers and GOP think tanks need about a year to find some special snowflakes willing to make some convoluted legal argument about how lower payments hurts them and get it up to SCOTUS for a preliminary injunction to stop it before it goes into effect.

Same reason they delayed forgiveness for a year.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
https://twitter.com/ProudSocialist/status/1696523453745250652

https://twitter.com/Gritty20202/status/1696526881779306720

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

ClassActionFursuit posted:

The current democratic term has given us
  • The worst inflation since Stagflation
  • The loss of access to abortion for most of the country
  • Plunged Europe into an energy crisis (which has caused a manufacturing and economic crisis)
  • Increased tension with a nuclear adversary
  • Both shown the world the limits of US economic sanctions and allowed our rising adversaries to build the tools to escape them
  • Opened the door to criminal prosecution of the ruling regime's political opponents
I'm not a fan of the democrats but you can't say they aren't doing their part to destroy the empire

increased tension with two nuclear adversaries, so far

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

ram dass in hell posted:

increased tension with two nuclear adversaries, so far

Has Biden really ratcheted anything up vis a vis China versus Trump? Trump started the trade war and while Biden didn't drop the protectionist tariffs, democrats never undo what the republicans enact. The rhetoric seems to be about the same to me but I'm not on Twitter. Either way it's nothing like openly pouring arms and material support into a country they're currently at war with, personally I think it crosses a line from just antagonism but I'm not Putin.

The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

i remember this thread

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Biden's administration couped the head of a nuclear armed state - Pakistan.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

The Pussy Boss posted:

i remember this thread

no helldumping

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Weka posted:

Biden's administration couped the head of a nuclear armed state - Pakistan.

I hadn't heard, poo poo

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

30.5 Days posted:

Asians are overrrepresented in higher education because asians perform disproportionately well on the acceptance criteria of higher education. This is why asian groups have been used as stalking horses to dismantle affirmative action: asian acceptance rates are suppressed by both affirmative action and things like legacy admissions that preference white people.

heard a great episode of ALAB about racism where black and hispanic people get penalized on compensation (court cases involving injuries etc) but minorities with higher average earnings like asian americans get rolled into the "white " catagory. :roflolmao:

https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/episode-21-baked-in

quote:

Andy, Michael, Tim, and Tarik discuss "race norming" and related statistical shenanigans being used in courts today -- most famously in the NFL's concussion class action settlement -- to disadvantage women and people of color, a facially indefensible practice that somehow goes virtually unchallenged.

worth listening to if only to hear the story of a lawyer asking an actuary "how do you know he's black" in court

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

ClassActionFursuit posted:

Has Biden really ratcheted anything up vis a vis China versus Trump? Trump started the trade war and while Biden didn't drop the protectionist tariffs, democrats never undo what the republicans enact. The rhetoric seems to be about the same to me but I'm not on Twitter. Either way it's nothing like openly pouring arms and material support into a country they're currently at war with, personally I think it crosses a line from just antagonism but I'm not Putin.

The pelosi Taiwan flight

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

ClassActionFursuit posted:

I hadn't heard, poo poo

They were literally caught on leaked diplomatic cables telling the Pakistanis "hey if you depose the PM who won't support war in Ukraine we'll move you back into the good boy team" and a week later Khan was arrested and charged with corruption

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
eh, pakistan has a long history of couping leaders too big for the military's britches.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Yeah that's probably why we egged them on lol

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ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
reminder that they still haven't released this memo

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