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BonoMan posted:I don't know I think there's a 
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Yoda's right!
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Aug 29, 2023 00:56
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Not sure I understand what is edge lordy about that trailer either? Just looks like typical dark sci-fi fantasy fare.
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Aug 29, 2023 00:57
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Violins are edgy.
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Bugblatter posted:Not sure I understand what is edge lordy about that trailer either? Just looks like typical dark sci-fi fantasy fare. Whenever I hear something like "scargiver" it just makes me groan. Maybe it's not technically edge-lord, but it really does just seem like "poo poo a 13 year old would think is cool." It's whatever. I'm not gonna pulp shame anymore.
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I mean I’ll personally always associate Zack Snyder with Sucker Punch first and foremost because the first time I saw it I was left with a very strong and and not good impression, but whether it’s fair to hold that over his head forever is certainly a worthy question.
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Aug 29, 2023 01:38
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Scargiver/Starkiller
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i just thought it look sorta bland, but i dunno i liked some synder before maybe i would like this one. not going to know because i rather watch movies with homosexuals.
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Aug 29, 2023 02:10
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Sucker Punch deserves its vitriol because Snyder somehow made a movie about beautiful women shooting machine guns at giant robots both boring and gross. That being said, IMHO Dawn of the Dead is a great zombie movie (bolstered by an excellent cast), Watchmen was good and is as close as anyone's ever going to get to achieving Alan Moore's vision, and Man of Steel was fine. Everything else he's done is pee pee and doo doo.
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DARTH SIDIOUS?? talk about an edgelord
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Thaddius the Large posted:I mean I’ll personally always associate Zack Snyder with Sucker Punch first and foremost because the first time I saw it I was left with a very strong and and not good impression, but whether it’s fair to hold that over his head forever is certainly a worthy question. Dillbag posted:Sucker Punch deserves its vitriol because Snyder somehow made a movie about beautiful women shooting machine guns at giant robots both boring and gross. Sucker Punch isn't my favorite Snyder movie and it's very much his weakest effort imo, but I appreciate the ambition behind its messaging. I think it's important to judge an artist's work based on their intent and what their goals were. In the case of Sucker Punch, I always thought this interview with Snyder gave some pretty good insight into his motivations: https://filmschoolrejects.com/interview-zack-snyder-on-the-sexuality-and-fanboy-hate-of-sucker-punch-36287c94c6b0/ And if you care enough, Snyder held a very good Q&A for the film around the time of its release that I thought was pretty interesting and helped me appreciate the movie a bit more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ntrqjhtKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-YIW8rzxus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cgenBlFnlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9URCBq3cJQ I get it if you or whoever else don't care to read or watch any of that stuff I linked, but I think diluting Sucker Punch down to "beautiful women shooting machine guns at giant robots" isn't giving the film a fair enough shake. [edit] There was also this very recent interview with Snyder about Sucker Punch that I felt was another great read: https://letterboxd.com/ifccenter/story/sucker-punch-an-interview-with-zack-snyder/ I do think Sucker Punch deserves at least another once over and re-evaluation if you've already seen it. Giving it another go maybe won't make you like it, but I think viewing it with authorial intent in mind makes a big difference and opens up a lot of what the film has to say about the movie industry and its commentary on female heroes. I've said this a few times before, but Sucker Punch is basically Snyder dropping a metaphorical diss track at Joss Whedon/Whedon types. teagone fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Aug 29, 2023 |
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Snooze Cruise posted:i just thought it look sorta bland, but i dunno i liked some synder before maybe i would like this one. not going to know because i rather watch movies with homosexuals. It's a shame that Snyder was never given the chance to make his Alexander The Great gay romance epic.
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ruddiger posted:Scargiver/Starkiller scargiver/scartaker
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Sucker Punch still has value because of the Oscar Isaac/Carla Gugino song but i think thats just in an extended version or something
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Lots of people in here are just salty that Zack picked a side (the right side) on whether or not Batman ate pussy.
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Can’t believe Jena Malone decided the future of her acting career on being in a creepy zack Snyder movie that’s pee pee and doo doo
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alright im just gonna come out and say it: I don't know who Zach Snyder is
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Peanut President posted:alright im just gonna come out and say it: I don't know who Zach Snyder is He makes those honey mustard pretzel pieces.
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Fartington Butts posted:He makes those honey mustard pretzel pieces. 
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teagone posted:I think it's important to judge an artist's work based on their intent and what their goals were Nah. Intent and goals mean jackshit. It’s either a good film or it’s not.
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Mordiceius posted:Nah. Intent and goals mean jackshit. It’s either a good film or it’s not. Acknowledging the intent and goals of film doesn't mean you have to think it's good. Like I said, I don't think Sucker Punch is all that great, but I respect what Snyder was trying to do. I'm really just suggesting to consider what an artist was trying to say with their work and not judge it solely based on personal biases. What I'm not suggesting is that you have to engage with movies this way, but I do think it's a better avenue of critique compared to simply tearing down art because you don't like it.
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Mordiceius posted:Nah. Intent and goals mean jackshit. It’s either a good film or it’s not. I've got no skin in the Snyder chat, but this is premium lol
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I’m like half way on board with that. Intent is interest and informs my opinion of the artist, but the art has to stand on its own. A creation can and often does communicate a message the creator didn’t intend. Sometimes for worse, sometimes for better.
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And sometimes that unintended message or value only becomes clear with the passage of time and the changing of audiences.
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Yeah we got the whole Death Of The Author thing but these days we also get to dig through the author's trash (social media, blog posts, concept art) and look at all their discarded notes and find out what they really meant to say before studio interference mussed it all up The author also gets to "come back from the dead" and release a new Director's Cut or answer questions at Comic-Con to clarify their original intent
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It's fun to see the "this looks like a video game" next to "this is bad star wars" when star wars is currently eating it's own videogame rear end like a content ourobouros
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ruddiger posted:Can’t believe Jena Malone decided the future of her acting career on being in a creepy zack Snyder movie that’s pee pee and doo doo Was she supposed to be in something else?
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Fartington Butts posted:He makes those honey mustard pretzel pieces. Well then I guess I'm a #SnyderFan then, love those things
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bows1 posted:I dont know why I keep responding but what is edge lord about Snyder? Man of Steel seemed super sincere even if you dont like it. tell that to zod's snapped neck
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Looks great. And that's a really solid trailer.
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teagone posted:Sucker Punch is basically Snyder dropping a metaphorical diss track at Joss Whedon/Whedon types. I like to point out that Babydoll goes through in one movie the entire arc of cinematic Black Window in 30 movies. It's absolutely a send up.
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Cinematic black widow barely existed when sucker punch was made lmao
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CelticPredator posted:Cinematic black widow barely existed when sucker punch was made lmao Also barely existed after! Like that's the point.
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sucker punch and black widow have very little in common. Other than they both kinda suck I guess lol
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Interesting. I haven't loved anything Fincher has done since the social network (didn't see Mank), but I'm piqued.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:And sometimes that unintended message or value only becomes clear with the passage of time and the changing of audiences. "You should judge art on it's intent, but sometimes somebody centuries ago accidently makes great art because it's filtered through a culture or circumstances they never could have imagined, which means their intent doesn't matter." Very muddled.
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