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Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

SlowBloke posted:

I didn't spend a single ruble in Moscow or St. Petersburg, only Euro notes or Mastercard. I think only in the outskirts, where there was no POS anyway, i had to use them.

being able to pay with cards doesn't mean the transactions are denominated in your account's currency. usually your bank will perform a conversion at market-ish rate and charge you a small surcharge. the payee still gets local currency

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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Qtotonibudinibudet posted:

being able to pay with cards doesn't mean the transactions are denominated in your account's currency. usually your bank will perform a conversion at market-ish rate and charge you a small surcharge. the payee still gets local currency

That is accurate but the POS receipts were in Euros, plus my specific mastercard will always show the original currency along with the exchange rate if another currency is used. I remember mastercard exchange fee for Turkish liras to be lower than the average currency exchange point when I went to a restaurant in Istambul with an almost empty wallet and noticing it at the last day of the trip, cursing profusely for not discovering it earlier.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




I accidentalyy wore white-red-white today when I wen to buy cigarettes. Which under current laws is "extremism". I did not meet any cops but people stared

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Sekenr posted:

I accidentalyy wore white-red-white today when I wen to buy cigarettes. Which under current laws is "extremism". I did not meet any cops but people stared
What is this about?

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 7 days!)

Mr. Apollo posted:

What is this about?

Is poster in Minsk?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-red-white_flag

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!
Yeah he's Belarusian if I recall. That flag is basically the first post-Soviet flag, and has taken on an anti-Luka symbolism.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000


Grape posted:

Yeah he's Belarusian if I recall. That flag is basically the first post-Soviet flag, and has taken on an anti-Luka symbolism.

Ah thank you

:tipshat:

TearsOfPirates
Jun 11, 2016

Stultior stulto fuisti, qui tabellis crederes! - Idiot of idiots, to trust what is written!
This week has been such hellhole for the flooding in Slovenia that it's flabbergasting. Apparently is as bad as it was in 1993.













Currently the death toll from the flooding was only 1 person, but 2 Dutch tourists got killed by a storm strike on a hill yesterday as well.

Thankfully I live in a safe area, the only annoying thing for my family currently is that we had to buy bottled water *again*.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
Good luck, Slovenia.

Maybe extreme weather brings Yugos closer a bit. Serbians watching storms coming from Croatia, Croatians watching water levels rising in Slovenia, etc. Comparing damages, sending help... :tito:

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Stay safe, buddy East European goons :smith:

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Appropriate article given the thread title.

To give some context, Alberta is a pretty conservative province and this guy was in the provincial government’s cabinet. For him to speak out against this priest means that the priest must have been saying some pretty heavy stuff.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lukaszuk-poland-surveillance-1.6933104

quote:

Canadian government probing allegations Poland wanted to surveil former Alberta cabinet minister

Warsaw says it acted within its rights

The federal government is looking into allegations the Polish government has dismissed one of its diplomats over their refusal to gather information on the social and political activities of former Alberta cabinet minister Thomas Lukaszuk, CBC News has learned.

"This is a violation of international diplomatic protocols and agreements. This definitely infringes on my human rights or my charter rights," Lukaszuk told CBC News in an interview.

"I would never expect that Polish diplomacy would be engaging in such activities... Any random ministry cannot simply surveil Polish Canadians abroad."

Lukaszuk, who served as deputy premier in former Progressive Conservative premier Alison Redford's government, believes he's a target for his activism against a controversial Polish pastor, Father Tadeusz Rydzyk, who has private radio and television stations in Poland.

Rydzyk has been criticized for sermons with homophobic and anti-Semitic views, as well as preaching against abortion and the European Union.

In 2020, Lukaszuk — a regular Alberta politics commentator on CBC Television — and Jewish advocacy group B'nai Brith successfully pushed for the Edmonton archdiocese to forbid Rydzyk from delivering sermons during a visit, and for a Toronto radio station to stop carrying programs from Rydzyk's station, Radio Maryja.

Lukaszuk said for years he dismissed rumours that the Polish foreign affairs department was soliciting information about him and directing individuals to also gather information about him.

"I actually never really paid much attention to it, because it seemed so far fetched," he said.

"Until I received a proverbial, because it was electronic, but a proverbial brown envelope."

Lukaszuk shared with CBC News what he says is a series of encrypted email exchanges dated March 13, 2022, June 14, 2022 and April of this year between a division of Poland's Foreign Affairs Department tasked with liaising with Polish diaspora communities, and the country's consul general in Vancouver, Andrzej Mańkowski.


"This is a minister instructing his staff and consulates across Canada, asking them to gather deeper information about Thomas Lukaszuk's social and political activities," Lukaszuk said.

"It definitely sent chills down my spine that as a Polish Canadian who lives in Canada more than 40 years, that government is still dispatching its officials in Canada to gather information that isn't publicly available,"

CB of Foreign Affairs, Zbigniew Rau, is seen addressing the emails before a Polish parliamentary committee at the end of July 2023 in a publicly available video.

In it, opposition politicians ask Rau if Mańkowski was dismissed because he did not want to spy on Lukaszuk.

One politician read out loud, in Polish, an email to Mańkowski.

According to a translation it said: "I kindly request that you prepare and forward, via the appropriate channel, an in-depth note to the department concerning the socio-political actions of Mr. Thomas Lukaszuk and their possible impact and significance for the Polish community in Alberta."

Rau answers it is adequate to recall a consul general that refuses to carry out an assignment.

Mańkowski would not speak about his departure. In an email he told CBC News "if you are preparing material about my dismissal, unfortunately I cannot comment on it."

He is scheduled to vacate his post by the end of August.

GAC says it’s assessing next steps

Global Affairs said it is aware of the allegations and is taking the matter very seriously.

In a statement, the department said it has been in contact with Lukaszuk and is also assessing next steps by working with its security intelligence and community partners.

"This is not a good idea for any country to be doing through their diplomats," said Maria Popova, an associate professor in political science at McGill University.

"It is the behind the scenes of really playing out domestic Polish political infighting and involving a Canadian citizen who's had an outspoken stance on it," she said.

Popova added it is unusual for a democratic country to look into an individual's activities.

"Authoritarian regimes of course do that quite often," she said. "But democracies are usually not that concerned about individual activities and also value more, of course, freedom of speech."

Popova nevertheless said she would expect the Canadian government to tread lightly in criticizing Poland.

She said the foreign interference in question appears to be more related to domestic Polish political issues than any matter regarding Canadian politics.

"Chances are through back-channel communications that there will be a message sent," Popova said.

A spokesperson for the government of Poland's Foreign Affairs Department referred CBC News to the United Nations treaty governing international diplomatic relations.

Rzecznik Prasowy said "all instructions and orders in relation to activities and reports by the Embassy/Consulates of the Republic of Poland are within the rights and privileges determined by the Vienna Convention."

Prasowy would not confirm or deny the veracity of the emails.

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Aug 11, 2023

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Haha, “Rzecznik Prasowy” means “Press Secretary”, it’s not someone’s name.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

Mokotow posted:

Haha, “Rzecznik Prasowy” means “Press Secretary”, it’s not someone’s name.

the dastardly criminal, Prawo Jazdy, strikes again

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

We must protect at all cost, the national treasure that is … checks notes - the homophobe, pedophile defender, anti LGBT, prone to blackmail by foreign intelligence, Father Taduesz Rydzyk

Szarrukin
Sep 29, 2021

Mokotow posted:

Haha, “Rzecznik Prasowy” means “Press Secretary”, it’s not someone’s name.

Aw, they already corrected this. :(

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Too bad, it had a great “…Mr. Prasowy said” line.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

a podcast for cats posted:

Incidentally, this may or may not lead to a collapse of the uneasy ruling coalition and a reshuffle. We'll see. In short, Rinkēvič's party (JV) may have made a deal with two opposition parties to elect R over the the millionaire businessman who may or may not have been in the GRU in the 1980s and was backed by the other two coalition partners, including the nationalists somehow.

True to form, we also made the Monday following the ice hockey game into a spontaneous public holiday. Which, was, apparently and unsurprisingly, quite a disruptive thing to happen.

So, the coalition is over, the PM is out. JV doesn't really have a good successor and the Vienna millionaire looks like an increasingly likely prospect for the seat. I'm not having a good feeling about this.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
JV went ahead and nominated the current minister of welfare, Evika Siliņa. My impression is that she's kind of bland, but supposedly competent (namely not involved in any scandals) background player and I don't know enough to say more than that.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
Her not being involved in any scandals aged worse than milk.

In a relatively hosed up twist, a professional porn video has surfaced, which (edit: falsely) purports to show JV's PM candidate at some point in her past and there's some unsourced claims about organised crime connections, namely, her doing legal work for a organised crime front taxi company in the early 2000s.

Both of which are clearly a smear campaign and the newspaper it's coming from has really murky ownership, but it's a PR nightmare for JV at a precious time.

a podcast for cats fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 19, 2023

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Hey, Lithuanians, why not just kill us? Dig a huge hole and throw us into it. It makes sense, no?

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

What :confused:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Lithuania's been slowly closing its border with Belarus for a while now, and recently a couple more border crossings were closed. Plus some local politicians once in a while like to pretend that thousands of IT specialists that moved to Lithuania either secretly support Russia or think that Vilnius should be part of Belarus, so they should be treated with prejudice when giving them work visas and residence permits. Probably that.

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

A true revival for our Smolensk conspiracy chuds with the death of Wagner’s Pierogiman

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Anne Frank Funk posted:

A true revival for our Smolensk conspiracy chuds with the death of Wagner’s Pierogiman

i'll admit my first thought at the news was "putin brought out his plane crash ray to kill again!"

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts
Those god drat cast iron birch trees again!!!!!

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts
Donald Tusk, August 2022: "Nobody with anti-abortion views will be an opposition candidate next year"

Donald Tusk, August 2023: "We are excited to announce Roman Giertych will be one of our candidates in Świętokrzyskie"

Look at my opposition, dogg. We are never getting rid of PiS

(For context: Roman Giertych used to be the leader of a far-right party called "The League of Polish Families" and he revived the pre-war antisemitic/fascist organisation, the All-Polish Youth. He used to be the minister of education in the first PiS government, between 2005 and 2007, and his tenure is remembered primarily for the anti-LGBTQ witch hunt he conducted in the school system)

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

ffs

The only upside is people do remember and the backlash against Giertych trying to weasel his way into the center-right is huge

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts
My biggest fear is that the people's hate for both PiS and PO translates into Konfederacja gaining an advantage during the elections.

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

If we don’t have a series of failed minority governments over the next year - year and a half nothing will fix this country ever.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
in eastern-er europe news, Japarov's government still hates the press, and is trying to destroy the leading upstart kyrgyz media outlet

https://twitter.com/katie_m_davies/status/1696189501138239622

on the basis that, among other things, it drives its readers to chemical AND non-chemical addictions, along with sexual anomalies

> Постепенно их уделом становятся духовная подавленность, безысходность, тоскливое ожидание наступления жизненного краха, приводящие к развитию социально-стрессовых психических расстройств с агрессивно-криминальным поведением, сексуальными аномалиями, химическими и нехимическими формами аддикции, суицидальной настроенностью и другими нарушениями социальной адаптации.

goddamn woke mind virus

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

It’s called Kloop? Amazing.

I absolutely don’t condone what they’re doing but I also see how negative psychological impact is a valid vector of attack.

Online news portals are few and absolutely massive in Poland. They fight ruthlessly for every click, using all possible ways of manipulation, from typical clickbait through to black ux patterns. They create an alternative narration to reality and they’re just not a great place to spend tine for people.

Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.

Mokotow posted:

It’s called Kloop? Amazing.

I absolutely don’t condone what they’re doing but I also see how negative psychological impact is a valid vector of attack.

Online news portals are few and absolutely massive in Poland. They fight ruthlessly for every click, using all possible ways of manipulation, from typical clickbait through to black ux patterns. They create an alternative narration to reality and they’re just not a great place to spend tine for people.

A (polish) friend of mine's father fell down the QAnon rabbit hole around the start of the pandemic. The man speaks no english at all, so it's clearly jumped the language barrier.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Comte de Saint-Germain posted:

A (polish) friend of mine's father fell down the QAnon rabbit hole around the start of the pandemic. The man speaks no english at all, so it's clearly jumped the language barrier.

People around 60 are super prone to be influenced by this poo poo. My mom and her brother both speak English, having spent a few years as kids in Canada, but have otherwise no connections there, yet they spend hours listening to right wing US podcasts and YT shows and will proclaim Trump at dinner.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Mokotow posted:

People around 60 are super prone to be influenced by this poo poo. My mom and her brother both speak English, having spent a few years as kids in Canada, but have otherwise no connections there, yet they spend hours listening to right wing US podcasts and YT shows and will proclaim Trump at dinner.
I've noticed this with some of my parents' friends. I think part of it has to do with getting older and society changing. It reminds me a lot of stories my parents telling me about it was difficult for their parents to adapt to changing social norms around race in the 60s and 70s.

Right wing propagandists know this and they feed the insecurity and uneasiness that older people feel by telling them "yes you're right to be scared, society is collapsing."

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Fascinating how its mostly the language that’s the carrier, and not nationality or a more common living experience. At first glance it’s absurd to be Polish and even consider Trump a part of your reality, but since the American right wing populist media has become so adept at spreading the fear, you get poo poo like German sovereign citizens, Canadian 2nd amendment right protectors and Polish Trump voters.

Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.

Mokotow posted:

People around 60 are super prone to be influenced by this poo poo. My mom and her brother both speak English, having spent a few years as kids in Canada, but have otherwise no connections there, yet they spend hours listening to right wing US podcasts and YT shows and will proclaim Trump at dinner.

Different, but related phenomena:

I'm part of a facebook group for english speaking expats living in Warsaw. At one point we had to purge the member list and restart the group, because it was invaded by english speaking US citizens of Polish descent, living *in the US*, who joined the group to post anti-black, anti-semetic, and anti-everybody-who-doesn't-vote-PiS memes, many of which were in Polish. So it seems, at least from this experience, that there's some sort of community of US based ethnic poles who eat a steady diet of TVP (and radio maria or whatever else) in addition to whatever rascist american poo poo they consume.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

:trumppop:

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

Comte de Saint-Germain posted:

Different, but related phenomena:

I'm part of a facebook group for english speaking expats living in Warsaw. At one point we had to purge the member list and restart the group, because it was invaded by english speaking US citizens of Polish descent, living *in the US*, who joined the group to post anti-black, anti-semetic, and anti-everybody-who-doesn't-vote-PiS memes, many of which were in Polish. So it seems, at least from this experience, that there's some sort of community of US based ethnic poles who eat a steady diet of TVP (and radio maria or whatever else) in addition to whatever rascist american poo poo they consume.

Oh, for sure. PiS and previous nationalist parties have historically always won the abroad vote.
(and, as an aside, PO usually wins the prison and mental institution vote. this makes for great rhetorical bits for a week after the results)

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

It’s funny because the most politically extreme Poles, and Europeans in general, I know are either living abroad or are the children of immigrants who have never been back to Europe. But they go on and on about correcting historical wrongs from like 700 years ago and how the EU is degenerate.

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Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
I have never felt more uncomfortable online than when I was playing games and some yank would, upon noticing my accent, tell me about their Ahnenpass they got from 23andme and how many German genes they have. And since they were G*mers who thought they had found a Blutsbruder online they would tell me about all the political wrongs in modern Germany…

This happened more than once.

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