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Shaocaholica posted:Anyway I need to setup a new machine and maybe more. What’s a good place to bulk buy win11 pro keys? Will win10 pro keys work for 11? I believe a $5 Windows 7 key can be used to activate Windows 10 Pro and/or Windows 11 Pro.
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Shaocaholica posted:Google drive for desktop is not encrypted locally right? I think that was the only reason we went with pro as all the machines will be using google drive for desktop and they don’t want some rando laptop thief to get at their google drive docs. Does one drive store local data as plaintext? Yes, gdrive, onedrive, dropbox, etc have no built-in encryption. The local copies of everything are visible on the drive if a PC is lost or stolen. Shaocaholica posted:Anyway I need to setup a new machine and maybe more. What’s a good place to bulk buy win11 pro keys? Will win10 pro keys work for 11? Are these new machines for the small business? If so, contra to the people saying buy cheap greymarket keys from the SA mart, get the small business to spend the money on real copies of 11 Pro. OEM keys are $160, it's not that much money. The keys sold by the SA mart goons are not illegal, but they are not compliant with the license and if the business is ever audited will be a problem. There will be fines. And you don't want liability if you're the IT guy. Yes it's unlikely that a 6 person company gets a BSA audit, but it's not a risk worth taking. Any company that can afford employees can afford to do it right. (Also to everyone else, keep this in the back of your mind when telling other goons to buy the cheap keys. They are fine for personal use, nothing bad will ever happen. They are not fine for business use.)
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Aug 27, 2023 13:42
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On the cheapo laptop I have now the MS direct online upgrade for pro in settings says $99. Is that compliant?
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Shaocaholica posted:On the cheapo laptop I have now the MS direct online upgrade for pro in settings says $99. Is that compliant? Sure, anything direct from microsoft is good. If you're working with laptops and PCs that already have a Home license that upgrade will be cheaper than a new key, but you won't be able to move it to a new PC.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:21
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Klyith posted:Sure, anything direct from microsoft is good. If you're working with laptops and PCs that already have a Home license that upgrade will be cheaper than a new key, but you won't be able to move it to a new PC. Ah ok. That might be fine.
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If a local admin account installs chrome for all users and then never logs back in, will standard limited users get chrome updates? Same question for office 365. Can installed software auto update without the local admin doing a thing?
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Aug 27, 2023 18:25
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Oh just found out that there’s no local group policy editor in Home so would also need Pro to fine tune restricted local accounts.
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Shaocaholica posted:If a local admin account installs chrome for all users and then never logs back in, will standard limited users get chrome updates? Same question for office 365. Can installed software auto update without the local admin doing a thing? Chrome updates through a registered service (I think Drive, One VPN and Nearby Share do too?) so that should be fine. Not actually sure about Office! https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/updates/overview-update-process-microsoft-365-apps It doesn't suggest that admin rights are needed?
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Aug 27, 2023 23:42
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Thanks. Also is it ok to install software from a limited user account and just putting in admin credentials when prompted? As opposed to logging out and doing it under the local admin account.
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Absolutely fine.
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Shaocaholica posted:Thanks.
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okay i need some second hand help, my mom just bought a laptop from costco and she's telling me that all her stuff is being saved to onedrive. like, she's trying to move stuff from a backup hd onto her desktop but the desktop is connected to onedrive so everything sh'es copying is getting uploaded there instead? this was not a thing when i upgraded on my pc so does anyone know what she's talking about and how to disable it?
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Aug 28, 2023 00:26
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By default if you're signed in to OneDrive anything in Documents, Desktop, Photos, Videos is synced. This is a good thing. In thie case I'd just make a folder in C:\ somwhere and make a shortcut on the desktop.
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Aug 28, 2023 00:31
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If you're logged into a MS account and OneDrive on the PC is configured to "back up" your PC then it redirects the folders it's keeping in sync, like Desktop, Documents, Pictures. Anything that goes into a backed up folder gets synced to OneDrive. Comes in handy at work when someone has a desktop and a laptop, or needs to switch to a new PC. Once they log in to OneDrive and enable that feature it all syncs back down.
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Hoping the thread can help me: I'll be getting a new laptop soon with Win 11 Pro. I have a home PC that I use my MS account for (I think I was tricked into setting it up this way, but it doesn't seem to cause issues for me), but I'm seeing a LOT of videos on YT about activating Win 11 with a local account instead. I don't use OneDrive, but I do have an Office 2019 key tied to my home PC that I'd like to use on my new laptop as well, so I might need to use my MS account for this. Basically should I activate Win 11 Pro on my laptop with my MS account or go through the steps for a local one?
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Kragger99 posted:Hoping the thread can help me: There isn't really much in the way of cons to setting it up with an MS account if you already have one, so I'd say just go ahead and use the MS account.
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Kragger99 posted:Hoping the thread can help me: This really depends. People that are deeply annoyed by the drawbacks of an MS account and/or find their Cloud Services™ to be bad will tell you it's the sign of the end times and should be avoid. People that don't care - well, they don't care and probably will tell you it's not a big deal. I will be in the former group. I want nothing of my life attached to any service that I don't control the hardware to. I want my computer to function unconditionally without the Internet and I would like to keep my online accounts and auth completely separate from my operating system proper. I want nothing to do with OneDrive or Office 365 or any other '''''service''''' Microsoft offers. I get really itchy just thinking about trying to configure a computer without Group Policy... This is question that comes up at least somewhat regularly, and I think what sucks a lot for the people asking the question is that no one is actually just spelling out the trade-offs that are happening. Everyone is just offering their opinion, not explaining what you are actually working off of. I'm no better then the average here. So in an effort to do better: If you have an MS account, benefits include: • Accessing MS Services without authing in separately. This includes OneDrive, the MS Store, Feedback Hub, etc. • Some settings will sync across multiple devices and follow your MS Account Disadvantages include: • Privacy / etc. etc. etc. • Operating without an Internet connection is rough. Just signing in is a hassle if you didn't setup a PIN before hand. OneDrive folders can behave oddly. • Service failures can result in obnoxious behavior. Settings / Files failing to sync can manifest oddly. Signing in can just take extra time for ??? reasons. • Local Account recovery is basically off the table. Local OS troubleshooting can become more difficult • Exposure to dark patterns and bullshit - Go past your 5GB of free OneDrive Storage? MS will gladly serve you an ad reminding you to buy more! Otherwise, you might want to be more careful with what directories you put stuff in. ---- An MS account introduces some nice MS-focused features and if you find yourself spending a lot of time on MS Services, then maybe it's trade-offs are worth it. But the benefits kind of end there. The calculus I do here is that an MS account introduces way more annoyances and edge-case problems then it solves and I'm giving up some amount of control of my OS for convenience (specifically, a convenience I have no interest in). Troubleshooting around MS Accounts is a real pain. The actual biggest sell otherwise for an MS account is that OS installation is so laden with dark patterns to try to force you into it that taking the time to avoid it might not be worth it to some people.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:This really depends. Thank you, this is what I was more or less looking for. I don't use MS services much at all, other than a couple Office apps. The benefits seemed to be heavily outweighed by the drawbacks.
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If you've got a windows license that's based on upgrading from a windows 7 or 8 key, you can transfer that to a new device through an ms account. Not super compelling as long as you can probably still just do a fresh 10 or 11 install using that key if you've still got it anyway or acquire a new one of those for a modest price.
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As someone who has had to recently deal with some computer issues and my main ssd (loving Samsung) randomly dying resulting in me bouncing between my laptop, a temp computer and replacement computer - having my documents, edge bookmarks, bitlocker recovery keys, etc automatically synced to the cloud was pretty much seamless. The only thing I would suggest is right clicking your "documents" folder and check the "always keep on this device" box (it is surprisingly annoying opening a game and waiting for files to be synced back from the cloud before being able to play the game). Not having to worry about manual backups and syncing between devices for the things onedrive takes care of automatically is useful. Tornhelm fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Aug 29, 2023 |
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Wasn't the free storage you got more like 15GB in the past? I then managed to double that through free bonuses because I was using a Windows phone and for using the account to log into a computer and things like that. You know, actual motivators to use it. 5GB is so goddamn miserable unless, yeah, just a few documents, save games and bitlocker keys.
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Tornhelm posted:Not having to worry about manual backups and syncing between devices for the things onedrive takes care of automatically is useful. This might be a bit old school of me, but, "not worrying about manual backups," means, "not worrying because I have at least three manual backups I am in absolute control over."
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Flipperwaldt posted:Wasn't the free storage you got more like 15GB in the past? I then managed to double that through free bonuses because I was using a Windows phone and for using the account to log into a computer and things like that. You know, actual motivators to use it. There used to be a few ways to get more storage, but none of it was that substantial, and there were a few deals that were temporary - you could put 10GB on the drive, then a year later they would hold that poo poo hostage for $70 / year.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:There used to be a few ways to get more storage, but none of it was that substantial, and there were a few deals that were temporary - you could put 10GB on the drive, then a year later they would hold that poo poo hostage for $70 / year.
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OneDrive is not a backup, or at least should not be your only backup. No always-active cloud storage without guaranteed rollback should be. As the most basic and obvious thing, if your PC gets malwared and some ransomware starts encrypting all your poo poo, OneDrive will happily upload the encrypted files overwriting the good ones. (And in a most pessimistic scenario, you don't know it's happening and that gets synced across multiple PCs.) This applies equally to gdrive, dropbox, etc. edit: this is for free onedrive Klyith fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Aug 30, 2023 |
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Sure, it shouldn't be the only backup, but as the first level of backup it's pretty much perfect considering how seamless and invisible it is. After my ssd died, I didn't have to touch my manual backups (which I keep more in case of malware these days or large things like work related virtual machines) as everything else important was synced back through onedrive.
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The automatic storage of Bitlocker recovery keys definitely saved me a lot of hassle when I got a new laptop and pulled the SSD from the old one without really thinking about it.
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isndl posted:The automatic storage of Bitlocker recovery keys definitely saved me a lot of hassle when I got a new laptop and pulled the SSD from the old one without really thinking about it. Yeah this has been a godsend in my shop, especially because a lot of laptops come with it already enabled
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Klyith posted:OneDrive is not a backup, or at least should not be your only backup. No always-active cloud storage without guaranteed rollback should be. OneDrive stores versions for 30 days. Recycling bin is 30 days. Yes, it's not bullet proof, but yes it is way better than the average user is ever going to do, let alone trying to get random Windows end users to do "three manual backups I am in absolute control over," which is just laughably naive advice. [edit: not saying you suggested it] Sure, it's great if you want to blame people for their problems, but it's not remotely within reach of 99.9999....% of users, and likely the vast majority of "tech" folks as well. Internet Explorer fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Aug 30, 2023 |
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isndl posted:The automatic storage of Bitlocker recovery keys definitely saved me a lot of hassle when I got a new laptop and pulled the SSD from the old one without really thinking about it. I was going to mention this, but I see you already beat me to it. I've had situations like this come up a couple times, and being able to get the key from my MS account was super handy.
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Internet Explorer posted:Sure, it's great if you want to blame people for their problems, but it's not remotely within reach of 99.9999....% of users, and likely the vast majority of "tech" folks as well. I just don't buy this. I worked IT in a college setting from 2004 - 2010 or there abouts, supporting professors who were capital 'B' boomers. They had no interest in computers past what they needed to work with, and that was basically down to Word, Email, and Blackboard (the college's student / faculty portal). The thing among these people that was pretty common though: They understood backups. Most of them had external hard drives. Most of them understood how to use them. They had a strong incentive to learn - A lot of there work was digital and losing it would have sucked a lot. People can learn. People can become reasonably literate at computers. Bespoke hardware that you need to *gasp* plug-in via USB is indeed more friction then Cloud Magic™, but it's really not that much more friction and you are empowering users to actually understand their technology and make good decisions. No one knows how to do a thing with software and hardware without some kind of learning or affordance. A lot of these services have tried to build around this idea that this is that 'not learning' is the status quo, building software that is extremely easy to understand at first glance (or just plain 'magic' in some cases). This has been the market for cellphones since iOS has been a thing. The tradeoffs for that have been extreme though. Software is shipping with fewer features, costing more, and locking people into an increasing number of subscription services and walled gardens that their users have no idea how to leave, even if they wanted to...by design. In lieu of a 10,000 word philosophical essay on why I think this benefits no one in the end, I'll say this: People can learn if they are asked to. Not being able to know how to use the thing at first glance does not mean the solution is unusable, and I do blame people at least partially for their unwillingness to *try* to engage with computers meaningfully. 'Software as a Magic' is not doing anyone any favors long term.
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Good luck with that approach. For an answer in the Windows 11 thread, OneDrive is a great solution for the average person.
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I have to do a lot of business with 60-year-olds that weren’t professional students for much of their life and ‘don’t do email’
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I might be biased because I am terrible about doing backups myself (I do have backups, but that's mostly in the form of old HDDs that I cloned and replaced with SSDs), but I honestly think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I know very non-techie people who are good about backups, and very techie people who suck at it. I'm lazy about it partly because I know I do have some redundancy, as I have multiple machines running with a lot of duplicated files between them. Or I don't care whether a particular machine is backed up, like my seldom-used Windows laptop.
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Hello thread, My w11 update screen has stopped responding and this persists through reboot and a complete shut-down and boot.  Everything else is working normally. I did "sfc /scannow" too. Any experiences with this?
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When you say everything else is working normally, to what are you referring?
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WattsvilleBlues posted:When you say everything else is working normally, to what are you referring? Just windows in general and every other settings menu is working normally.. kliras posted:you don't have some kind of dns adblocking that might have caught something? No, this is on my laptop and it has been persistent over several different networks (home, hotel and now work)
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sarr posted:Just windows in general and every other settings menu is working normally.. Oh is this update screen running from within Windows 10?
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