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mystes posted:Or do you just really need the expose view and search functionality to be combined into one ui mode? yes. surprisingly enough GNOME has developed the one true UI design apparently KDE has an activities overview plug-in now instead of just Expose, but I haven’t tried it because of the aforementioned font issues there’s also some kind of declarative scripting thing that I think can replicate the minimize all behavior, but I haven’t looked into it too much
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looks like kde 5 must now be in good shape and worth trying out because it didn't have the usual june release and they're working on a kde 6 replacement
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Progressive JPEG posted:looks like kde 5 must now be in good shape and worth trying out because it didn't have the usual june release and they're working on a kde 6 replacement
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Plasma 6 is going to be a jump because anyone doing feature development is going to do it against qt6, so when that releases there's going to be a bunch of stuff in it.
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Aug 27, 2023 21:36
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FlapYoJacks posted:This is why you should use the proper Linux Distribution: Fedora. *tips distro*
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maybe it’s different and better now but the last time I used gnome 3 I actually wanted to die
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like idk how they did it. but the gnome team really dug deep, put in a lot of late nights, and expended a considerable amount of creative energy on just coming up with the most dogshit ways of doing things
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Aug 27, 2023 22:28
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:maybe it’s different and better now but the last time I used gnome 3 I actually wanted to die that was like 41 versions ago. theyre on 44 now.
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Aug 28, 2023 01:10
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Agile Vector posted:*tips distro* is this like cow tipping?
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post hole digger posted:that was like 41 versions ago. theyre on 44 now. ill wait for 25 more versions
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Aug 28, 2023 02:04
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Gnome is good because I can smash the windows button and see all the open windows but also immediately start typing for the application I want Bing bong so simple.
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Aug 28, 2023 02:27
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I wonder if there is something that architecturally prevents an option for the search in the "present windows" mode in plasma from using krunner (since krunner is a separate plugin) instead of just searching the windows being shown? I don't think it's a huge issue for me, but I have to admit that combining these two features into one as gnome does is pretty nice, and all the functionality is basically there in kde right now, it's just in two different places
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Aug 28, 2023 02:31
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Gnomes not perfect but I tried plasma over the weekend and it’s not for me right now.
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I started with Plasma when I first switched to Linux and ended up spending so much time having to tinker with that DE to get it to work the way I want. It maybe does a couple of things better than Gnome. But, like the way the workflows go in Gnome make sense, and it's got sane defaults other than the lack of a dash-to-dock and Caffeine built in. But those were a quick couple of extensions, and I've not had to fiddle with or gently caress with Gnome after the 2 minutes it took to add those.
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Gnome is very opinionated but after the initial shock of adjustment a fair few of those opinionated aspects of the intended workflow do work surprisingly well. That doesn't change the fact that gnome developers can be rather difficult and unpleasant to work with. Case in point, the issue that i was talking about earlier. There are far more diplomatic ways of getting the point across than what we see here. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4345 There is also the fact that Gnome devs have consistently held a rather cavalier attitude towards API stability. Technologies like Flatpak make this less of an issue now than it was in the past, but under a classical distro model this scared developers off Gtk in droves. I'd say the majority of former Gtk 2 projects chose to migrate to Qt instead of moving to Gtk 3. The combination of these two cultural issues puts Gnome in a very precarious position because they discourage outside contributors that aren't long standing core development group. IBM's recent decision to withdraw a lot of manpower from the project could be just the nudge that sends it into a death spiral. The main thing keeping Gnome going up until now was the lack of mature and credible alternatives, but KDE has caught up and shed a lot of the stupider aesthetic and technological decisions that were holding it back until now.
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quote:There is also the fact that Gnome devs have consistently held a rather cavalier attitude towards API stability. Technologies like Flatpak make this less of an issue now than it was in the past, but under a classical distro model this scared developers off Gtk in droves. I'd say the majority of former Gtk 2 projects chose to migrate to Qt instead of moving to Gtk 3. gnome/gtk also sucks at any sort of backwards compatibility  gnome settings, firefox, and element all have different sized title bars
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nudgenudgetilt posted:gnome settings, firefox, and element all have different sized title bars if you think that’s bad wait until you get a load of Windows
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as someone who has only messed around in linux a little bit the fact that to make gnome have a less insane ui you have to open up a web browser and install an extension seems even more insane
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weast posted:as someone who has only messed around in linux a little bit the fact that to make gnome have a less insane ui you have to open up a web browser and install an extension seems even more insane Much to my delight I learned that plasmas extension system is somehow worse
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Aug 28, 2023 06:38
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why would you need to extend plasma
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Aug 28, 2023 07:11
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gnome users got stockholm syndrome so bad they immediately look to installing extensions when trying another desktop
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lmao i just got hit by an audio linux bug. sorta. it's specifically when i try to run my diy voiceprint visualizer against the system audio specifically there's a recent regression in pipewire where it doesn't let you open monitor devices in sdl2 anymore. the monitor device shows up in sdl2's list of capture devices, but if you try to actually open it then sdl2 freaks out with ""Requested PulseAudio sink/source missing?" rather than debug whatever pipewire had decided to break sometime in the last couple months, i just fixed it by switching back to using stock pulseaudio, which worked. problem solved
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kinda annoying because i'd been using pipewire for the last couple years or so with no issues, it had basically been a more stable pulseaudio replacement. how the mighty have fallen
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you should report it somewhere, it sounded kinda niche
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Aug 28, 2023 09:34
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Tankakern posted:you should report it somewhere, it sounded kinda niche their gitlab is down and throwing 502s so i assume they're not interested
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weast posted:as someone who has only messed around in linux a little bit the fact that to make gnome have a less insane ui you have to open up a web browser and install an extension seems even more insane What? No? It hasn't been that way for years. Just grab the extension manager from flathub and you can manage them all in there. https://flathub.org/apps/com.mattjakeman.ExtensionManager
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Nitrousoxide posted:What? No? It hasn't been that way for years. I had literally no idea this exists because when you look at the gnome shell extensions website and go to troubleshooting, it asks you to install the browser plugin. Nothing about this random other software that I was supposed to know about I guess, now I know for next time I try though
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i'm a bit surprised it isn't bundled with gnome. pop_os has it by default, for example, and it seems like something that shouldn't be an extra step
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Agile Vector posted:i'm a bit surprised it isn't bundled with gnome. pop_os has it by default, for example, and it seems like something that shouldn't be an extra step honestly it might have been and i just missed it because i was vaguely familiar with how it used to be, and nothing told me otherwise
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at the risk of introducing even more instability into an already questionably stable DE, I use PaperWM and it makes Gnome tolerable for me  https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/30424662/221416159-464d7512-5174-451b-9035-0ee84f9eb4ec.mp4 that and VShell to let me search windows easily but I also have a 4K monitor and aspire to get one with >60Hz and VRR / HDR so it sounds like I'll probably also want to switch over to KDE at some point in the future. I like my infinitely scrolling desktop 
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Apparently the built in tiling in KDE doesn't let you have different layouts for each virtual desktop, so I'm using the bismuth plugin now. It's a bit more janky than a real tiling window manager and it's also dynamic tiling rather than manual tiling, which I prefer, but it's ok for the time being
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corona familiar posted:at the risk of introducing even more instability into an already questionably stable DE, I use PaperWM and it makes Gnome tolerable for me it's like if i3 was designed by people who really like e-readers I don't know how to feel about this
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lol tiling y’all would have liked CMU’s Andrew system (except for the weird-rear end scroll bars, everyone hated those, they work like neither Smalltalk/X11-Athena nor Star/ViewPoint nor Lisa/Mac/Windows/Amiga/Atari) tiling is the “vi is the best because I’m more efficient” of window systems
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in this corner... the vi is the best because I'm more efficient people! and in the other... the unused memory is wasted memory people! ding ding ding *vi users are crumpled in a heap having spent the entire fight trying to remember the command sequence to tap gloves*
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Kazinsal posted:it's like if i3 was designed by people who really like e-readers i too love and have pushed paperwm here many times, so i'll just tell you: you should probably feel good about it. it is very much tiling for normal people though, a lot of aero-snap'pish interactions (i.e. tear a window off to float it or tile it into a column, everything in the infinite row by default) and some limitations that simplify things (tiling is always an infinite row of screen-height columns, e.g. no such thing as two windows above one other window) but would probably annoy the tiling hardcore.
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Kazinsal posted:in this corner... the vi is the best because I'm more efficient people! and in the other... the unused memory is wasted memory people!
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:wait, i have to fight myself??? this is what they call the duality of man!
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