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Stexils posted:any game that implements chatNPCs will end up like pillars of eternitys backer characters. people will talk to them up to the point they realize the dialogue is meaningless as well as poorly written at which point theyll never talk to an npc again. except where in pillars you could just avoid gold characters itll be for every NPC. It's like when dungeons are auto-generated, you stop giving a poo poo about them because there's no purpose to anything, no personality, it's just some stuff slapped together. You can't point to any part of the NPC and say that it gives them depth, because none of it is depth, it's just procgen.
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Araxxor posted:Oh that looks neat- wait it's from the person who made Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass? Oh hell yeah I'll be keeping an eye on that! this made me perk up like a meerkat
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Aug 30, 2023 15:43
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Aug 30, 2023 15:45
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Oh also it's probably worth noting it has a kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hymntotheearlessgod/hymn-to-the-earless-god
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Aug 30, 2023 15:46
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oof, $120k in a month is really optimistic. Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass was great but extremely niche compared to other indie rpg’s du jour
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Aug 30, 2023 15:50
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fridge corn posted:Isn't the dev Canadian? And specifically French Canadian at that? Yeah, and based in a part of Québec where there are few English speakers. Despite that, the French translation is absolutely dire. It keeps the original English sentence structure and mostly preserves the original English word order. The translation seems to have been done within-sentence clause-by-clause instead of sentence-at-a-time or paragraph-at-a-time. It uses French cognates for colloquial English expressions when those cognates feel clunky or less natural in French ("versed in the ways of alchemy" becomes "versé dans l'art de l'alchimie", "in my haste" becomes "dans ma hâte", "to be sure" becomes "pour sûr"). It's a "please look forward to it"-rear end approach to translation/localisation, you can tell very precisely and accurately what the original English was from reading the French script. It's also obviously not copy-edited. I saw two verbs conjugated wrong in the first seven lines. I switched back to English as soon as I could.
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Aug 30, 2023 15:58
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Oxxidation posted:oof, $120k in a month is really optimistic. Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass was great but extremely niche compared to other indie rpg’s du jour To be fair in terms of quality it absolutely deserves to be treated on the same level, it's just the sad adventures of cancer boy is a real fuckin' hard sell.
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Aug 30, 2023 16:03
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I'm not nostalgiac for Chrono Trigger at all, because I really hated the Prehistoric chapters. I feel the second wave of RPG throwbacks are in that Shovel Knight zone in that they succeeded at not just channelling the old games, but outright exceeding them. Pillars 2, Original Sin 2, Octopath 2 aren't tribute acts, but proper follow-ups that are better than what came before.
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fridge corn posted:Isn't the dev Canadian? And specifically French Canadian at that?
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Aug 30, 2023 16:18
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whoa holy poo poo yes please
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so it is a poorly edited game featuring timed hits? well, good to know.
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Oxxidation posted:actually you have to break their defense, wait a second for them to go into a unique idle pose, and then use another specific attack to take advantage of their weakpoint  That fight was when I decided to just stop bothering with boss achievements, both because of that unmentioned bullshit and also because of the aforementioned cutscene for a boss item that I missed and didn't have a savefile that could do it without losing something like 6-7 hours of game time. TurnipFritter posted:Suikoden 1 + 2 officially delayed until next year, just like Eiyuden Hopefully this means the upscaling and UI will be redone to not look like utter garbage. Stuff like going into the Rune menu and seeing stuff like "Pl Gt Rune" instead of just "Pale Gate" due to limited space and forcing in a redundant "rune" on to every rune name is one of those things that should've been axed the second a dev looked at it, not survive to make it into a reveal video.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:so it is a poorly edited game featuring timed hits? well, good to know. I feel bad laughing at this but so far this is a succinct description of the first 2 hours of the game
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Earless God drawing a lot of inspo from Lennus of all things has definitely piqued my interest. Paladin's Quest was such a weird little game, but I loved it.
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I decided Sea of Stars probably wasn't for me when the lead dev said he'd been developing the main characters since he was a kid. That tells me he's so into his own ideas that he's not going to be able to judge them fairly. And as someone who does a lot of writing and editing for a living, I can't stand when people think they can bypass experts and do the writing themselves. It's an actual skill and you suck at it.
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Aug 30, 2023 18:31
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thiss im snoop cruise! jst wamted to talk and agree with fittzy fi. hire writing to do all mine posts typicly. this is me typng 4 fist time!
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Aug 30, 2023 18:41
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while on some level i agree with the idea that if you want good writing you should actually hire a good writer, defining it around "experts" is some dork rear end poo poo. like heaven forbid people feel passion for their own creations and not care about turning out the best product by hiring an "expert", lol.
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I have to assume that the “expert” is just for proofreading but that’s a dead profession these days
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Oxxidation posted:I have to assume that the “expert” is just for proofreading but that’s a dead profession these days if its a dead profession, that would explain all your bad posts!!! B)
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I decided Sea of Stars probably wasn't for me when the lead dev said he'd been developing the main characters since he was a kid. if true then from what I've seen he hasn't really made any progress from his initial ideas as a kid lol
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Aug 30, 2023 18:53
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did i come across as too mean in my recent posts? people be honest with me, i am having a sudden crisis. wait i need to undercut the sincerity in this post by calling you all b*tches or something.
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DLC Inc posted:if true then from what I've seen he hasn't really made any progress from his initial ideas as a kid lol Two hours in, and the main characters' personality is, for both of them, "Yeah! Awesome! I'm excited to go on an adventure with my friends!". They have a friend who is normal and doesn't have magic powers and insisted on accompanying them on a dangerous thing. He lost an eye doing it, and Dumbledore shows up and says "haha guess you won't be making that mistake again!" and then nobody mentions the eye ever again.
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sirens blaring as i attempt to create my own art. the lights go out for a moment, and then the expert artists burst onto the scene. they bash me in the face with my keyboard and execute me by slamming a pen through my chest, killing me instantly
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Fitzy Fitz posted:And as someone who does a lot of writing and editing for a living, I can't stand when people think they can bypass experts and do the writing themselves. It's an actual skill and you suck at it.
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I'm not trying to gatekeep art lol. The devs seemed really happy about hiring great composers for the game, so they obviously care about incorporating quality talent and assets, but for some reason writing is often overlooked in otherwise good games.
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its an actual skill. do not do it in order to get better at it.
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Snooze Cruise posted:did i come across as too mean in my recent posts? people be honest with me, i am having a sudden crisis. wait i need to undercut the sincerity in this post by calling you all b*tches or something. FWIW I think you had a point. Writing is an art not a science, you're not guaranteed to get a better story just because you have a bunch of writing degrees from writing school working on it (as opposed to like making a bridge where you would want qualifications like that).
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one of the most famous writers in the games industry is a guy whose prior experience was working in a mortuary and being scared of ghosts. he channeled this into writing the ultimate story about how much ghosts scare him, killer7
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Snooze Cruise posted:did i come across as too mean in my recent posts? people be honest with me, i am having a sudden crisis. wait i need to undercut the sincerity in this post by calling you all b*tches or something. less mean and more silly. especially in game development, where dedicated writers (ie staff who focus on the script and nothing else) tend to be under large studios only
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Fitzy Fitz posted:And as someone who does a lot of writing and editing for a living, I can't stand when people think they can bypass experts and do the writing themselves. It's an actual skill and you suck at it. lol
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toby fox, known professional writer. thats why undertale's writing was so beloved
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when i get scared of ghost, i always tell myself maybe the ghosts are all cute women and that they think im cute to make it less scary. this is not a joke but a geniue thing i do when the fear takes me at night.
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Pinterest Mom posted:They have a friend who is normal and doesn't have magic powers and insisted on accompanying them on a dangerous thing. He lost an eye doing it, and Dumbledore shows up and says "haha guess you won't be making that mistake again!" and then nobody mentions the eye ever again. I don't understand this complaint, what are they supposed to say 10 years later? "Wow you're still missing that eye huh? hosed up!" My actual complaint for that guy is that he lost his left eye, but when you're moving in the south-west direction, they just flip his sprite so that the eye that's missing is the sprite's right eye. Booo
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its a good thing ryukishi07, noted guy who played ff5 and was bad at working with kids, hired a professional writer to channel those experiences into his visual novel, or else it wouldnt have been popular
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The Colonel posted:one of the most famous writers in the games industry is a guy whose prior experience was working in a mortuary and being scared of ghosts. he channeled this into writing the ultimate story about how much ghosts scare him, killer7 holy poo poo i didnt know he was an undertaker, suda rules
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Pinterest Mom posted:Two hours in, and the main characters' personality is, for both of them, "Yeah! Awesome! I'm excited to go on an adventure with my friends!". I laughed when even for more serious moments his character portrait is unchanging from his empty-headed grin.
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zun and ryukishi07 went the extra mile by also not hiring an artist
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Will you all take it less personally if I replace "expert" with "competence"
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Morpheus posted:It's like when dungeons are auto-generated, you stop giving a poo poo about them because there's no purpose to anything, no personality, it's just some stuff slapped together. You can't point to any part of the NPC and say that it gives them depth, because none of it is depth, it's just procgen. procgen can be molded and given plenty of personality if time and effort is spent on it, i.e. Caves of Qud is oozing with it
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Will you all take it less personally if I replace "expert" with "competence" the issue is that nobody who does professional writing in the western games industry is competent
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