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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1696873455440871833 I'd be surprised if the commission they are foregoing haven't ended up on the books as tax write-offs instead.
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It's very interesting how Ukraine is positioning themselves internationally. Not only politically but in other fields. They're strongly supporting musicians and athletes to keep performing internationally. They of course won Eurovision last year, but I saw a small Ukrainian band perform last weekend and I know Go_A were touring this summer. This Amazon move makes them commercially a bit more interesting as well.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1696873455440871833 Eh, encouraging widespread adoption until local sellers go under and then putting in higher rates is basically their entire business model to date. This just is good timing and a way to cash in some goodwill.
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Slashrat posted:I'd be surprised if the commission they are foregoing haven't ended up on the books as tax write-offs instead. Yeah it's the same as that offensive poo poo they used to do where they'd tell you how much Amazon Smile had contributed to charity. It's cheap PR from a megacorp that doesn't pay any taxes, while it positions itself favourably in the country.
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Ukraine is probably giving Amazon a poo poo-ton of tax breaks, too.
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Slashrat posted:I'd be surprised if the commission they are foregoing haven't ended up on the books as tax write-offs instead. Maybe the Ukrainian tax code is especially weird, but I don’t know how that would be possible. Is there any jurisdiction in the world where you can write off “our prices could have been higher” against income? How do you see that working? (Not that Amazon pays taxes anyway, really.)
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It's to get activist investors to view them more favorably. They'd do the same for Russia if public opinion was reversed
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I think it’s PR and establishing market share among sellers as the UA market grows/rebuilds, FWIW. It’s a small amount of foregone commission to risk now versus a greater share of GMV in a post-war Ukraine brimming with foreign investment and aid.
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I too get very angry when companies try to make money by supporting things I like.
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Jarmak posted:I too get very angry when companies try to make money by supporting things I like. No one else seems especially angry. Check in with your therapist.
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Looking for the strings attached to a deal from an international megacorporation sounds like a pretty healthy approach to reality to me.
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Crab Dad posted:To me it really seems like internal Russian action to whip up a frenzy for mobilization… Il-76:es are important, not replaceable and Russia only had 112 of them. They would not be destroying those willingly. Flikken posted:Bezo's thinks being not-Musk will save him from the pitchforks To be clear, Bezos actually hates him a lot. He's not against Musk because of some PR stuff, but because Musk is a jackass who has pretty deliberately snubbed Bezos every chance he gets. Antigravitas posted:Amazon probably assumes that Ukraine will receive better access to and quicker integration into the EU single market and wants to establish market share early. Also Bezos is at the stage of his life where he thinks more about spending money than making it. A lot of his causes are, well, not inspiring, but some are. This might just be one the latter, instead of a 5-d chess move to make more money.
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Subjunctive posted:Maybe the Ukrainian tax code is especially weird, but I don’t know how that would be possible. Is there any jurisdiction in the world where you can write off “our prices could have been higher” against income? How do you see that working? VAT and other product taxes(like for fuel) has been lifted in case of emergency in other European countries during covid and the early price spike after the war. The percentages mentioned by amazon seem likely to be a VAT equivalent.
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Amazon have also, fairly quietly, been working with the Ukrainian government on internet security, hosting Ukrainian services on AWS free of charge, and have been funding an online healthcare service where all sorts of healthcare services are accessed remotely on (mostly) Amazon's buck. https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/amaz...vi-ta-ekonomici
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Begun the Corporate Wars have.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Il-76:es are important, not replaceable and Russia only had 112 of them. They would not be destroying those willingly. Yeah, it feels like if Russia was going to try and false flag, they'd hit civilian targets to make Ukraine look evil, rather than hitting military targets that make themselves look weak.
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SlowBloke posted:VAT and other product taxes(like for fuel) has been lifted in case of emergency in other European countries during covid and the early price spike after the war. The percentages mentioned by amazon seem likely to be a VAT equivalent. Amazon can’t waive VAT unless they were paying it themselves, and that’s pretty different from a commission (which Amazon is quite public about charging to sellers). Why is it more likely that it’s some VAT thing than just what they said it is, omitting commission?
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PurpleXVI posted:Yeah, it feels like if Russia was going to try and false flag, they'd hit civilian targets to make Ukraine look evil, rather than hitting military targets that make themselves look weak. And even beyond how it looks, there are plenty of available military targets where the Russians can just shrug and go "we have reserves". Il-76:es are absolutely not one of those, they are an important strategic asset that isn't being made anymore and doesn't have a replacement.
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Subjunctive posted:Amazon can’t waive VAT unless they were paying it themselves, and that’s pretty different from a commission (which Amazon is quite public about charging to sellers). Why is it more likely that it’s some VAT thing than just what they said it is, omitting commission? In most eurozone countries, the vat is paid by the e-commerce platform if they are the payment endpoint. Amazon will then manage the VAT if the seller is fulfilling the sale(VAT offloaded to the seller)or if it's just stocking the warehouse(VAT paid by amazon). If ukraine worked in the same way and told amazon, "We will let you avoid VAT if you lower the commission", it's feasible.
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Amazon's whole thing is examining every market at every level with massive amounts of data and calculating how to loss lead so that in five or ten years time they turn around and make an enormous mountain of money
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SlowBloke posted:In most eurozone countries, the vat is paid by the e-commerce platform if they are the payment endpoint. Amazon will then manage the VAT if the seller is fulfilling the sale(VAT offloaded to the seller)or if it's just stocking the warehouse(VAT paid by amazon). If ukraine worked in the same way and told amazon, "We will let you avoid VAT if you lower the commission", it's feasible. I think these are Ukrainian sellers who are using Amazon for distribution, so it's likely they're selling into the EEA and using Amazon to handle FX and VAT.
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Who had Block Ships on their 2023 bingo card? Because I wish I did. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-sinks-line-of-its-own-ships-to-protect-kerch-bridge I’d be laughing quite a bit harder if they hadn’t already murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainians. It’s like the worst episode of keystone kops.
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Amazon has been working in Ukraine since before the war. Ring was originally a Ukrainian startup I believe.
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PurpleXVI posted:Yeah, it feels like if Russia was going to try and false flag, they'd hit civilian targets to make Ukraine look evil, rather than hitting military targets that make themselves look weak. Eh too much is going on I was thinking those attack in Moscow.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1696873455440871833 brb setting up a drop shipping company for JO crystals in Ukraine
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MrYenko posted:Who had Block Ships on their 2023 bingo card? Because I wish I did.  This is only going to make them want to target the bridge more as a continued "gently caress you" to the meager Russian countermeasures. The Sea Baby's draft is only like...a meter, right? (Though, not loaded with nearly a ton of explosives, granted.) I can't imagine a few sparse artificial reefs stopping them from sneaking up on the bridge. Particularly since they already have perfect IMINT on their locations.
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Gonna laugh if they somehow managed to make a sick rear end ramp for the next explosive boat.
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Its like that one mission in Waves of Steel where you drive your battleship with jet boosters off a ramp while blasting. Its a fun goon made game you should play it.
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I'd assume you would simply run one boat into the strung barrier, and then drive the others through. Maybe it's similar to relying on artillery to cut wire in WW1 though, and you just end up with an un-cleared barrier and a lot of assets bunched under the guns.
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Or just fly over the drat thing with an explodey UAV launched from a USV.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Or just fly over the drat thing with an explodey UAV launched from a USV. Unfortunately there's a bit of a gap between "small uav payload" and "amount of HE required to really gently caress up a bridge but good"
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ramp ramp ramp RAMP RAMP
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Why doesn't Russia just use the big sausage tenders that showed up after the COLE got bombed? Put them babies around the bridge and watch the Sea Bahbes bounce off of them with a comically loud "BOIOIOIONG", laughing while they don't see the missiles coming straight down to wreck their poo poo? Seems like a good plan to me.
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Flikken posted:How deep is the draft on a hydrofoil? On a normal size passenger boat moving at speed, anywhere from 12-18 inches.
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Automatic Retard posted:That’ll do, Prig, that’ll do. lmao
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Flikken posted:How deep is the draft on a hydrofoil? Datapoint: the Philippine Navy lost a hydrofoil patrol boat when it struck a basking shark.
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