[canada] I don't need to take lessons on marginalized people. I'm ITALIAN!

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infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

i'm not suggesting there's a benefit to the specific rules and roles they are enforcing, just that they have a very explicit interest in enforcing them regardless, and it's not because they necessarily make sense to do.

Frosted Flake posted:

They're mad about all the wrong things.

buddy... how long have you lived here?

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# ? May 27, 2024 01:59

my morning jackass: Aug 24, 2009

I was working at the garrison one evening while the cadets were doing their thing and it seemed miserable. the worst parts of working in the military and no chill whatsoever. we were having more fun doing lovely general duty stuff than these kids were.

# ? Aug 29, 2023 13:36

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Has anyone considered positive identities in Canada? Like, maybe instead of English Canadian nationalism being a pathological obsession about who we are not, Americans, French, Indians, Catholics, Eastern Europeans, whoever the Other of the day is, they could present an identity that people would want to participate in? The same obviously goes for masculinity and everything else.

What do conservatives want these kids to be like? Because they're sure as hell not setting any examples, or even creating a vision of what that looks like.

It's a nice thought but the basic premise of nationalism is always based on differentiating yourself from an other, which means the identity of the other is often defined much more strongly than the identity of the self. When Britain was forging itself into a nation, Linda Colley will tell you, there wasn't a strong sense of what it meant to be British, but there was a very strong sense of what it meant to not be French, and to value not being French so strongly that you would fight a war to not be French even if it wasn't clear what you were other than that.

The dominant form of Canadian nationalism defines ourselves by a series of others that we aren't: we aren't Americans, we aren't Indigenous, we aren't immigrants, we aren't French/English-Canadian, we're whatever is left when you've excluded all the other boxes and said we aren't all of those. What's left in there? Not much, but that doesn't make it too different from many other forms of nationalism around the world.

# ? Aug 29, 2023 17:41

thunderspanks: Nov 5, 2003; crucify this

I did 7 years in cadets, as well as a couple afterwards as a civilian instructor and while it's basically babbys first fascism, the discipline and leadership skills it teaches you are a big advantage later in life- granted it's been a couple of decades since I've had anything to do with the organization so who knows what they're like now. As with anything though, what you get out of it is hugely dependent on how committed you are to the program (and the kind of person you are), but there have been plenty of moments where the childhood experience of having direct subordinates, preparing and instructing classes, politicking around delicate situations, dealing with tangible repercussions, and being directly accountable to others has come in handy.

Of course it's basically a home for broken toys and some of the most messed up kids I'd ever met were through the program (lots of parents hoping their poo poo rear end kid would be whipped into shape) but that's an entirely separate can of worms.

# ? Aug 29, 2023 18:37

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

thunderspanks posted:

Of course it's basically a home for broken toys and some of the most messed up kids I'd ever met were through the program (lots of parents hoping their poo poo rear end kid would be whipped into shape) but that's an entirely separate can of worms.

It was ever thus,

"From among those few who may, naturally, have a predilection for a Soldier�s life, or those who may be induced to adopt it either for domestic reasons, or when, by the fluctuations of trade, or the adverse influence of the seasons on agricultural operations, they are deprived of other employment...�

- H.O. Arnold-Forster

"Popular sentiment has never attached itself to the Army... represented at home by its least efficient and least imposing detachments, has suffered somewhat in the popular estimation ...No tradition is more deeply rooted in the minds of the poorer classes ...than that which represents enlistment as the last step on the downward career of a young man.�

- Report of the Commission on Recruiting

"..now-a-days when the home duty is so severe, and when it is so very difficult really to give the soldier an adequate amount of training, he does not develop into a man you can really trust ...I should like to see a man live and die in the army, so to speak, so long as he conducted himself satisfactorily and was physically fit to do duty either abroad or at home."

- Lord Chelmsford, who commanded the army in Zululand

vyelkin posted:

The dominant form of Canadian nationalism defines ourselves by a series of others that we aren't: we aren't Americans, we aren't Indigenous, we aren't immigrants, we aren't French/English-Canadian, we're whatever is left when you've excluded all the other boxes and said we aren't all of those. What's left in there? Not much, but that doesn't make it too different from many other forms of nationalism around the world.

Well, this obviously creates a problem as the dream of 1967 starts to fall apart. The Truckers are only going to get more fired up as material conditions decline and there has to be a competing vision for society to keep them at bay.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:46 on Aug 29, 2023

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Puppy Burner: Sep 9, 2011

Rolling coal on our way to the final victory of barbarism over socialism

# ? Aug 29, 2023 19:05

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

I prefer to blame the secret invisible group of rich people controlling everything instead of the much more invisible and well known group of rich people who control everything

# ? Aug 29, 2023 21:22

Rodney The Yam II: Mar 3, 2007

thunderspanks posted:

I did 7 years in cadets, as well as a couple afterwards as a civilian instructor and while it's basically babbys first fascism, the discipline and leadership skills it teaches you are a big advantage later in life- granted it's been a couple of decades since I've had anything to do with the organization so who knows what they're like now. As with anything though, what you get out of it is hugely dependent on how committed you are to the program

In my case no amount of commitment could have overcome the incompetence of the organization. Otoh I had a friend in another, much better, cadet group who loved every minute of it.

Every week at my squadron began with one of the officers saying "sorry to those of you who showed up to the [activity] this weekend. Someone forgot to book the [pilots/rifles/range/gliders/whatever] (or they booked the wrong day, or the right ppl didn't show up, etc)"

The classes were just like, playing stupid classroom games like hangman and 7up. It was really bad

# ? Aug 30, 2023 01:52

Papa Was A Video Toaster: Jan 9, 2011

so my job is chronically late in issuing my pay cheques. i've already made a claim to the toothless regulator in BC and they will "begin their investigation" in several months.
what are some fun (legal) ways i can be a lovely, undependable employee in the meantime? i've already stopped showing up on time.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 04:39

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:

so my job is chronically late in issuing my pay cheques. i've already made a claim to the toothless regulator in BC and they will "begin their investigation" in several months.
what are some fun (legal) ways i can be a lovely, undependable employee in the meantime? i've already stopped showing up on time.

I mean, beyond the obvious "be high all the time, continuously" which I'm sure you already are because, right?

Personally I would just preface my reply to any instructions I received with, "Sure, I'll get right on that, once I'm paid for last week fuckface" and grind a cigarette out on their forehead

Wait I'm just getting word...its not legal to do that?

My apologies to all fuckfaces everywhere. I had no idea it was a slur

# ? Aug 30, 2023 04:44

Papa Was A Video Toaster: Jan 9, 2011

Bilirubin posted:

I mean, beyond the obvious "be high all the time, continuously" which I'm sure you already are because, right?

Personally I would just preface my reply to any instructions I received with, "Sure, I'll get right on that, once I'm paid for last week fuckface" and grind a cigarette out on their forehead

Wait I'm just getting word...its not legal to do that?

My apologies to all fuckfaces everywhere. I had no idea it was a slur

they're not paying me enough to be high all the time. :v:

I actually like being at work because it keeps me from smoking all my weed. Still rock a couple dabs before work, but that's just part of waking up.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 04:59

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

Baby Boomers barely participate in community organizations, things that used to tie entire communities together. Not that I want the Orangemen back, but Robert Burns dinners? Caledonian Clubs? Hibernian Society? loving rotary? Boy Scouts? Freemasons? The Militia?

I was in Cub Scouts for a few years. I did some outdoorsy poo poo, built and raced derby cars, and enjoyed free bottles of All Sport Body Quencher from one kid's dad who was a VP of something at Pepsi. Oh, but we also made dreamcatchers and faux deerskin suits with plastic "bone" armor and feathered headdresses to play, uh, settlers and natives? That was all just a bit inappropriate for a mostly white leadership group to be guiding their children into doing.

Anyway, TorStar says "the pain is real" for distressed home buyers:

quote:

Cracks are starting to show in Toronto�s preconstruction housing market, as financial pressures not only stall future projects but some industry experts are also seeing an uptick in purchasers putting their properties up for sale, with the most distressed cases coming from buyers of lowrise and freehold homes in the suburbs.

�We�ve seen a massive uptick in assignment listings and actual sales,� said Simeon Papailias, managing partner of Royal LePage�s REC Canada. �Typically around 10 to 15 per cent of our clients want to assign or flip the property, now 30 per cent want to. That�s the most I�ve seen in my 18-year history of doing this work.�

He said the condo market is still fairing well due to demand from newcomers and first-time homebuyers, as well as investor interest (most of his clients are investors). Cases of distressed buyers � who can�t afford to close the deal on their properties and put them up for sale, while still low, are rising in the freehold and lowrise market in the GTA suburbs.

�The assignment market is becoming a hope and a prayer for people who are in desperate states,� Morris said. �If you don�t have the ability to close you will sell at any price. The pain is real. Canadians have overextended themselves massively.�

It's not funny, pre-construction houses only spontaneously combust when they're in extreme distress.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 07:11

Houle: Oct 21, 2010

You can eat now to keep you going through the day (three people called in sick. You have to cover for them. Make sure you clock out before you get overtime) or you can make rent and eat next week when you have a proper down payment saved up for groceries from the Galen kingdom.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 12:51

Puppy Burner: Sep 9, 2011

Pay? For groceries? In this economy? I'm pretty sure the giant store full of groceries can share a few...

# ? Aug 30, 2023 12:55

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

the suppliers have already been paid. better to use that food now before it expires and ends up in a huge bin in the back.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 12:57

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

eXXon posted:

I was in Cub Scouts for a few years. I did some outdoorsy poo poo, built and raced derby cars, and enjoyed free bottles of All Sport Body Quencher from one kid's dad who was a VP of something at Pepsi. Oh, but we also made dreamcatchers and faux deerskin suits with plastic "bone" armor and feathered headdresses to play, uh, settlers and natives? That was all just a bit inappropriate for a mostly white leadership group to be guiding their children into doing.

Anyway, TorStar says "the pain is real" for distressed home buyers:

It's not funny, pre-construction houses only spontaneously combust when they're in extreme distress.

quote:

due to demand from newcomers and first-time homebuyers, as well as investor interest (most of his clients are investors)

lmao

# ? Aug 30, 2023 13:13

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

get paid to sell someone else's house and then get paid again when the buyer is underwater and wants out. being a realtor owns

# ? Aug 30, 2023 13:30

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

I’ll be in front of that bulldozer, that’s evil and must be stopped. You want to radically change neighborhoods that people love the way they are in order to solve a completely artificial crisis.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 15:42

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

I want to bulldoze the suburbs

# ? Aug 30, 2023 20:10

corgiwizard: Oct 27, 2020

Puppy Burner posted:

Pay? For groceries? In this economy? I'm pretty sure the giant store full of groceries can share a few...

Turns out I�m bad at using the self-checkout. oops!

# ? Aug 30, 2023 20:16

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

The food professor has entered the chat.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 22:18

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Really funny to see upthread that my shithole province is mad about pronouns and also see this while browsing twitter. Real 'stones in glass houses' moment.

https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1696632739032707534?t=1KKTr70OOff_wDG56t7Dig&s=19

# ? Aug 30, 2023 22:21

ElehemEare: May 20, 2001; I am an omnipotent penguin.

ZShakespeare posted:

The food professor has entered the chat.

sylvain charle-blahblahblah please stop posting bad takes

# ? Aug 30, 2023 22:41

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

UnknownMercenary posted:

Really funny to see upthread that my shithole province is mad about pronouns and also see this while browsing twitter. Real 'stones in glass houses' moment.

https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1696632739032707534?t=1KKTr70OOff_wDG56t7Dig&s=19

hey come on bigotry is acceptable to protect parental rights. it�s TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

# ? Aug 30, 2023 23:19

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

issue a warning for alberta and saskatchewan too

# ? Aug 30, 2023 23:21

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

https://financialpost.com/telecom/competition-bureau-ordered-pay-millions-rogers-shaw

THA FP posted:

Competition Bureau ordered to pay millions to Rogers, Shaw

Judge cites commissioner's 'unreasonable' conduct in attempt to block merger

A court has ordered Canada�s competition commissioner to pay telcos Rogers Communications Inc. and Shaw Communications Inc. millions in costs following weeks-long court proceedings late last year, but a competition law expert said the award is small compared to the actual costs the companies spent due to the hearings.

In a court order dated Aug. 28, the Competition Tribunal, which presided over the hearings between the parties, ordered the Competition Bureau to pay a total of over $12 million in legal fees and compensation, after the anti-trust body failed in its bid to block the merger of the two companies.

�I think the award should have been higher. It�s in the order of five per cent of their actual costs, which I think is miserly, but I get the reasoning,� said Michael Osborne, chair of the Canadian competition practice at law firm Cozen O�Connor LLP.

The commissioner will be ordered to pay counsel fees of $414,720 to Rogers and $416,187 to Shaw, plus applicable taxes. According to the court order, Rogers� and Shaw�s actual fees incurred were just under $7.97 million and $9.7 million respectively.

The commissioner will, however, have to compensate reasonable disbursements totalling $9.3 million for Rogers and $2.8 million for Shaw.

�With two exceptions, the disbursements claimed by the respondents (Rogers and Shaw) are not unreasonable or unnecessary, and � are appropriately justified,� Judge Paul Crampton said in the document.

No costs will be payable to Videotron, which did not make a request for awarded costs in its motion for leave to intervene.

The Bureau�s attempt to block the $26-billion merger of Rogers and Shaw was soundly dismissed by both the Competition Tribunal that heard the initial challenge and the federal court that heard the watchdog�s appeal.

Article content
In it�s decision in late December, the Tribunal said said the commissioner�s pursuit of the initially proposed transaction was �divorced from reality.�

The companies had called the bureau�s approach throughout the litigation as �unnecessarily contentious,� asserting that this resulted in the excessive production of over 2.6 million documents, nine days of examinations for discovery, 16 contested pre-trial motions, the engagement of Bell and Telus in motions over documents and subpoenas, and the exchange of approximately 45 witness statements and expert reports in a very tight timeframe.

�On balance, I consider that the Commissioner�s conduct, as described immediately above, was much more unreasonable than the conduct of the Respondents,� Judge Crampton wrote in the court document.

The commissioner had argued that any cost award in the two companies� favour should be materially reduced to �reflect� their conduct, which he argued �unnecessarily lengthened� the hearing and the submissions he was required to make. He also said the companies� �refusal to admit various matters� that should have been admitted unnecessarily complicated the parties� dispute.

Mmmm love that regulatory and judicial capture.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 00:34

Glimpse: Jun 5, 2011

Fake-rear end country.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 00:37

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

I don't like unnecessarily lengthening disputes either, let's get back to resolving problems with necessary shortenings.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 00:39

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

eXXon posted:

I don't like unnecessarily lengthening disputes either, let's get back to resolving problems with necessary shortenings.

are you a lard or a crisco man?

# ? Aug 31, 2023 00:43

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

cool time to be a lawyer, doing very important work here for many millions of dollars

# ? Aug 31, 2023 00:46

Pyrtanis: Jun 30, 2007; The ghosts of our glories are gray-bearded guides; Fun Shoe

eXXon posted:

I don't like unnecessarily lengthening disputes either, let's get back to resolving problems with necessary shortenings.

I thought this was a guillotine reference

# ? Aug 31, 2023 00:55

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Arivia posted:

are you a lard or a crisco man?

I'm trying not to be.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 07:39

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

eXXon posted:

I'm trying not to be.

Ah, the US has corrupted you. You've gone over to the palm oil side.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 11:13

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

apatheticman posted:

https://financialpost.com/telecom/competition-bureau-ordered-pay-millions-rogers-shaw

Mmmm love that regulatory and judicial capture.

Incredible

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:06

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

The costs ruling is at https://decisions.ct-tc.gc.ca/ct-tc/cdo/en/521211/1/document.do

Apparently after Rogers and Shaw announced the merger, they figured the biggest anti-competition issue would be Shaw's cell phone business. So Shaw says they'd sell that to Videotron before the merger. The judge thinks it was fine for the competition bureau commissioner to keep pursuing the case but feels the commissioner insufficiently considered the selling of Freedom Mobile. Therefore it was a waste of time and Rogers and Shaw deserve to be paid a quarter of their expenses. The amount is so high because it somehow costs $11 million in lawyers to argue before the competition tribunal. Videotron, to their credit (?), did not ask for any reimbursement.

This is all incredibly stupid.

(Also, shout out to the zero news stories that linked to the ruling itself, and special shout out to the paywalled sites that expose article text to search engines but not to people following the links from search engines. Real great citizens of the web who deserve free money for incoming links.)

# ? Aug 31, 2023 16:44

pokeyman posted:

The costs ruling is at https://decisions.ct-tc.gc.ca/ct-tc/cdo/en/521211/1/document.do

Apparently after Rogers and Shaw announced the merger, they figured the biggest anti-competition issue would be Shaw's cell phone business. So Shaw says they'd sell that to Videotron before the merger. The judge thinks it was fine for the competition bureau commissioner to keep pursuing the case but feels the commissioner insufficiently considered the selling of Freedom Mobile. Therefore it was a waste of time and Rogers and Shaw deserve to be paid a quarter of their expenses. The amount is so high because it somehow costs $11 million in lawyers to argue before the competition tribunal. Videotron, to their credit (?), did not ask for any reimbursement.

This is all incredibly stupid.

(Also, shout out to the zero news stories that linked to the ruling itself, and special shout out to the paywalled sites that expose article text to search engines but not to people following the links from search engines. Real great citizens of the web who deserve free money for incoming links.)

I thought Videotron get bought out by Shaw everywhere in the country in the 90s and the remaining part of it operating in Quebec as Videotron is a subsidiary of Shaw lol

# ? Aug 31, 2023 19:59

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Canadian telecom ownership timeline but formatted like Charles II's family tree.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 20:21

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

pokeyman posted:

The costs ruling is at https://decisions.ct-tc.gc.ca/ct-tc/cdo/en/521211/1/document.do

Apparently after Rogers and Shaw announced the merger, they figured the biggest anti-competition issue would be Shaw's cell phone business. So Shaw says they'd sell that to Videotron before the merger. The judge thinks it was fine for the competition bureau commissioner to keep pursuing the case but feels the commissioner insufficiently considered the selling of Freedom Mobile. Therefore it was a waste of time and Rogers and Shaw deserve to be paid a quarter of their expenses. The amount is so high because it somehow costs $11 million in lawyers to argue before the competition tribunal. Videotron, to their credit (?), did not ask for any reimbursement.

This is all incredibly stupid.

Not stupid enough.

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1697219779407257610

# ? Aug 31, 2023 23:57

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

gently caress's sake

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# ? May 27, 2024 01:59

corgiwizard: Oct 27, 2020

if only we could have seen this Rogers fiasco coming

# ? Sep 1, 2023 03:23

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