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RealityWarCriminal posted:one year ago; am I dream or was part of the early COVID discourse that you'd be shouted down for being antivax if you mentioned to likelyhood of boosters being necessary?
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Aug 31, 2023 01:12
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DominoKitten posted:Speaking of CR Cubes and PC fans, I recently ran across some...very swank computer fan based CR kits at: https://www.cleanairkits.com/ and am sorely tempted to start replacing our duct taped behemoths with these sleeker ones. They cost a lot more upfront than duct taping a cube to a box fan, but they claim to "match CR Box capacities at 1/5 noise, 1/5 power, and half the footprint." Because they use so little electricity, you can even run them for hours off of a lithium power bank or a cigarette lighter adapter in your car or your laptop. And they've got a tiny double barrel personal HEPA that they say is super quiet and also will run on a power bank. At that point you need to cross-shop with regular off the shelf hepa filters on price.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:26
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Thanks everyone for all the replies, I learned stuff today.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:26
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Koirhor posted:if things were that bad someone would do something 
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Aug 31, 2023 01:32
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bedpan posted:am I dream or was part of the early COVID discourse that you'd be shouted down for being antivax if you mentioned to likelyhood of boosters being necessary? Can't really remember. Decided to ctrl-f my covid journal for the first mentions of "anti-vax" and was surprised to see my first entry with it is quoting a goon in November of 2020 who said, quote:We both expect that Trump is going to go full anti-vax after he's dragged out of office as "revenge" against Pfizer and Moderna for "hiding" the results of their trials until after the election and making him lose, which is just going to embolden the anti-vax people. "It's not that bad, everyone around me that got it lived, and you will to, and you'll be stronger than someone who was vaccinated because it's REAL IMMUNITY." Can see the tweet now. Kinda funny that didn't exactly pan out. I didn't make a note of who posted that, sorry unknown goon.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:40
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The Oldest Man posted:At that point you need to cross-shop with regular off the shelf hepa filters on price. I think you can get a popular commercial HEPA filter for cheaper, but you wouldn't be able to run it on a battery power bank, like say, if you wanted to give your kid something they could tuck under their desk at school, or chuck into the backseat of a car on a road trip. You could get the much recommended Conway Airmega AP-1512HH ($190.58 on Amazon with filters, list price $229.99) cheaper than, say, the XL Luggable (222.00, filters sold separate). But the Conway has a CADR of 296 CMH on the highest setting, uses 77 watts, and produces 58 dBa (source, source). The XL Luggable has a CADR of 550 CMH, uses 10.8 W, and produces 37.3 dBA. So it uses less electricity and is quieter. I don't know how the filtering efficiency would shake out between the Luggable having higher CADR but the Conway having better filtration. The Conway does have an auto mode, which is GREAT if your air filtering concern is smoke or other particulates...less useful if you're trying to use it as COVID prophylactic. If price is the main concern, duct tape and furnace filters and a box fan it is. And somebody crafty could probably make their own computer fan CR for sure. One nice thing about most of their options that don't have LEDs in the fans are there's no annoying LEDs to cover up for bedroom usage, too. I've got electrical tape over the Conway interface in my room.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:59
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bedpan posted:am I dream or was part of the early COVID discourse that you'd be shouted down for being antivax if you mentioned to likelyhood of boosters being necessary? yes, you absolutely got torn up for it. even though it was really obvious. see also: that there would be breakthrough infections. the second that vaccines were available, people started pretending that covid wasn't a killer. and it really, really sucks.
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Aug 31, 2023 02:18
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yeah when the earliest covid vaccine trials were happening, the researchers involved all made a point of saying "we don't think this will prevent covid but we do expect it to reduce the likelihood of severe disease" and by the time they had been rolled out the messaging on them had gotten so twisted that it was treated as gospel that not only would getting vaccinated straight up prevent you from dying of covid, it would guarantee you would never get or pass on covid and in fact it would be so effective that if everyone got vaccinated it would make covid immediately cease to exist and god help you if you questioned any of that. I'm not anti vax, I got vaccinated against covid as soon as I was possibly able, they've done a lot of good in reducing the toll of covid from what it might theoretically have been, but it would have been a lot better if expectations had been managed better to fit something resembling reality but then we wouldn't be able to Open Biden so lmao that was never gonna happen
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Aug 31, 2023 02:30
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:yes, you absolutely got torn up for it. even though it was really obvious. see also: that there would be breakthrough infections. Reinfections was also a big one. The amount of time discussing it kinda pisses me off, when I look at the data from the first year (which wasn't public then):  Pink is 1st reinfection. Cyan is 2nd reinfection or more. Obviously these are very small numbers compared to 1st infections, but seeing these so quickly when it was almost impossible to have encountered COVID twice (even in hospitals, when people still gave a gently caress), was an important nugget of information. Edit: Just checked to see if my recollection was fair and this was the state of reinfection tracking in 2020 (check the tweet date, it was fresh data at the time): https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1308727014246019073 Pingui has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 02:31
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DominoKitten posted:I think you can get a popular commercial HEPA filter for cheaper, but you wouldn't be able to run it on a battery power bank, like say, if you wanted to give your kid something they could tuck under their desk at school, or chuck into the backseat of a car on a road trip. You could get the much recommended Conway Airmega AP-1512HH ($190.58 on Amazon with filters, list price $229.99) cheaper than, say, the XL Luggable (222.00, filters sold separate). But the Conway has a CADR of 296 CMH on the highest setting, uses 77 watts, and produces 58 dBa (source, source). The XL Luggable has a CADR of 550 CMH, uses 10.8 W, and produces 37.3 dBA. So it uses less electricity and is quieter. I don't know how the filtering efficiency would shake out between the Luggable having higher CADR but the Conway having better filtration. The Conway does have an auto mode, which is GREAT if your air filtering concern is smoke or other particulates...less useful if you're trying to use it as COVID prophylactic. The Coway Airmega is a HEPA filter (99.97% removal of 0.3um particles), the XL Luggable is a MERV 13 (you could theoretically put whatever furnace filter you want on there but the stated performance is for a Filtrete MPR1900+, which is rated as a MERV 13). MERV 13 is a good filter and this is not to knock Corsi boxes generally, but when you're shelling out dollars (like $250) that could get you a very good HEPA filter, or something like five traditional CR boxes each with a higher CFM than this one fancy one due to filter area, it's worth considering the math: MERV 13 filtration performance (from https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-merv-rating) 0.30-1.0um - at least 50% 1.0-3.0um - at least 85% 3.0-10.0um - at least 90% The problem is that CADR is only an apples to apples comparison when applied to a certain particle size (the three typical ratings air purifiers get will be against dust, pollen, and smoke, and nobody does a CADR test for light respiratory aerosols. I don't know who these guys selling these things are, but when you are trying to get people to buy a $250 product using about a $150 BOM and home assembly and don't correctly state your filter media performance in your own FAQ, and you're representing a combined smoke/dust/pollen CADR as your "virusCADR" when you should be using your smoke value with a big loving disclaimer that the AHAM test doesn't actually represent light virus-bearing aerosols it's just the closest standardized approximate, that's pretty  btw I bought a product from smartairfilters.com and it turned out to be garbage; they've also been fingered for misrepresenting the CADR of their own products when independently verified. I would just avoid them both for their products and statements on their website. The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 03:14 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 03:11
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I have some similar takes on people like FloMask who sell a product ostensibly designed to compete with N95s who get really salty when called out that their filters don't work in bench tests. There are a lot of good intentioned people out there, and an equal number of grifting poo poo-bags looking to make a quick buck.
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Aug 31, 2023 03:23
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hailthefish posted:yeah when the earliest covid vaccine trials were happening, the researchers involved all made a point of saying "we don't think this will prevent covid but we do expect it to reduce the likelihood of severe disease" and by the time they had been rolled out the messaging on them had gotten so twisted that it was treated as gospel that not only would getting vaccinated straight up prevent you from dying of covid, it would guarantee you would never get or pass on covid and in fact it would be so effective that if everyone got vaccinated it would make covid immediately cease to exist and god help you if you questioned any of that. impossible to say how we got to that point this was March 30 2021. vaccines had been in arms for months
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Aug 31, 2023 03:31
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The Oldest Man posted:btw I bought a product from smartairfilters.com and it turned out to be garbage; they've also been fingered for misrepresenting the CADR of their own products when independently verified. I would just avoid them both for their products and statements on their website. Is there a source for this?
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Aug 31, 2023 03:32
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Platystemon posted:COVID response confounds SARS expert yeah sounds about right
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Aug 31, 2023 03:42
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tenderjerk posted:wow thank you speng31b for continuing to protect these forums from jokes
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Aug 31, 2023 03:43
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The Oldest Man posted:I have some similar takes on people like FloMask who sell a product ostensibly designed to compete with N95s who get really salty when called out that their filters don't work in bench tests. There are a lot of good intentioned people out there, and an equal number of grifting poo poo-bags looking to make a quick buck. Flo Mask "pro filters" (adult only) are FFP2 certified. If they can pass FFP2, then N95 shouldn't be a problem. edit: apparently they're not getting NIOSH certification anytime soon due to a backlog. https://twitter.com/masknerd/status/1436752725660913666?lang=en https://twitter.com/NgoTheWorld/status/1673699271097597952 Fansy has issued a correction as of 03:54 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 03:45
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Fansy posted:Flo Mask pro filters are FFP2 certified. If they can pass FFP2, then N95 shouldn't be a problem. edit: apparently they're not getting NIOSH certification anytime soon due to a backlog. Sorry, that was a brain fart. I was thinking of AirPop, specifically this loving thing https://airpophealth.com/products/active-smart-mask-halo-sensor FloMask as far as I know has performed pretty well in tests PerniciousKnid posted:Is there a source for this? I can't find the original test tweet from a year and a half ago, but it looks like they actually took the CADR claim off their website and replaced it with this: quote:- Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR): Blast capacity of air flow at 1200 cubic feet per minute (CFM) is beyond the CADR Testing protocol in 1000 sq ft. rooms where the CADR is only tested to 450 CFM. For something as powerful as the Blast we suggest using Air Changes per Hour (ACH) to determine efficacy. IIRC they were claiming a CADR of something like 800 CFM (smoke) and the Blast's actual performance is ~500 according to https://twitter.com/marwa_zaatari/status/1429629474878988288?s=20 e: it also looks like Smart Air has done a revision on all their designs and the "mkii" versions look substantially different than what they were selling in 2021, so ymmv. The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 04:34 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 04:25
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The Oldest Man posted:The Coway Airmega is a HEPA filter (99.97% removal of 0.3um particles), the XL Luggable is a MERV 13 (you could theoretically put whatever furnace filter you want on there but the stated performance is for a Filtrete MPR1900+, which is rated as a MERV 13). MERV 13 is a good filter and this is not to knock Corsi boxes generally, but when you're shelling out dollars (like $250) that could get you a very good HEPA filter, or something like five traditional CR boxes each with a higher CFM than this one fancy one due to filter area, it's worth considering the math: Good to know re: smartairfilters.com, I wasn't able to get some of those numbers from the Amazon.com page so was just rooting around for them. I don't want to protest any of your good points, but I do feel like they have a FAQ that is pretty explicit about what their various numbers mean and don't mean and what third party testing has been done to which standard and also that the weirdo virusCADR isn't some thing they specifically came up with but theoretically from some HVAC industry group ASHRAE, Standard 241 which I would love to double check more except uh apparently it's $100 to get the PDF for it so I guess I won't? quote:One sample each of Luggable 5-Arctic, Luggable 5-SickleFlow, and Luggable XL were tested by Intertek for AHAM AC-1 CADR, AC-2 Noise & Power:
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Aug 31, 2023 04:32
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Washington state's weekly wastewater update, cobbled together from the state's downloadable excel report and supplemented with scaled National Wastewater Surveillance System (NWSS) data when available. Solid lines are from WADoH data and white diamond dots applied to scale are from most recent CDC/NWSS data (if available). The WADoH dashboard graphs using a different tableset than what they provide via the download link. I'm not entirely sure why other than the graph they show is attached to the table (right-click their Power BI graph to view) is after they take the Excel data and calculate the 7-day rolling average. Sometimes this appears quite different. I've distributed 30 sewersheds across 5 charts grouped by approximate geographical region then alphabetized by county. See the tables below each image for definitions of WADoH IDs, Date last sampled, Trend (based on change between the averages of the two most recent weeks measured), and Service Area for city names/regions. Northwest Washington  pre:Northwest Washington County: ID: Date: Trend: Service Area: Island OH Aug-18 UP Oak Harbor Jefferson PT Aug-16 DOWN Port Townsend Mason HP Aug-20 DOWN Rustlewood, Shelton Whatcom LYN Aug-17 STEADY Lynden  pre:King + Snohomish County: ID: Date: Trend: Service Area: King BWT Aug-20 UP Bothell, Mill Creek, Redmond, Woodinville, Overflow from King County South and West Point Treatment Plants King KCS Aug-20 UP Auburn, Bellevue, Issaquah, Kent, Renton, Sammamish King WSPT Aug-20 STEADY Seattle, Shoreline, north King County, north Lake Wash., parts of south Snohomish Snohomish APP Aug-07 STEADY Lynnwood Snohomish ARL Aug-22 UP Arlington Snohomish EVR Aug-20 UP Everett Snohomish STAN Aug-21 UP Stanwood  pre:Southwest Washington County: ID: Date: Trend: Service Area: Clark MRPK Aug-21 DOWN Vancouver Clark SNCK Aug-21 DOWN Battle Ground, Ridgefield Clark VWS Aug-21 STEADY Vancouver Westside Pierce CC Aug-18 UP Browns Point, Dash Point, Dupont, Fife, Fife Heights, Frederickson, Graham, Lakewood, Milton, Orting, Parkland, South Hill, Spanaway, University Place Pierce PUY Aug-17 STEADY Puyallup Thurston LOTT Aug-16 UP Lacey, Olympia, Tumwater Thurston NISQ Aug-17 UP Nisqually  pre:Central Washington County: ID: Date: Trend: Service Area: Benton KEN Aug-07 STEADY Kennewick Benton WRCH Aug-17 STEADY West Richland Chelan WWTP Aug-17 UP Wenatchee Grant EPH Aug-16 DOWN Ephrata Kittitas ELL Aug-17 UP Ellensburg Okanogan BRW Aug-17 STEADY Brewster Yakima YAK Aug-17 UP Yakima  pre:Eastern Washington County: ID: Date: Trend: Service Area: Franklin PAS Aug-18 DOWN Pasco Spokane RP Aug-18 STEADY Spokane Spokane SPK Aug-18 DOWN Spokane Valley Walla Walla WALLA Aug-17 UP Walla Walla Whitman PLM Jul-28 UP Pullman Zantie has issued a correction as of 22:46 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 04:36
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DominoKitten posted:Good to know re: smartairfilters.com, I wasn't able to get some of those numbers from the Amazon.com page so was just rooting around for them. Well the fact that the guy is identifying himself and publicly documenting his test procedure makes me feel like it's less likely he's grifting this at least.
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Aug 31, 2023 04:39
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Anyway! Long COVID bon mot time. A Swedish newspaper asked readers:quote:How has your life changed after the corona pandemic? Have you had any symptoms or problems that you still live with today? Hundreds contacted SVT and told them, read what they wrote here. And shut down the comments within four hours after receiving a deluge; there is page upon page of people ascribing this or that to their COVID infection, everything from the annoying quote:Pork, strawberries and eggs smell like jokes since I had covid 5/12-2020. Even coffee tastes and smells terrible. Cucumber smells like nail polish. To being bedridden or losing their livelihoods. Some stray comments attribute after effects to the vaccine. For anyone reading unfamiliar with first year COVID lore, the country Sweden was held up as a model of how to reasonably deal with the coronavirus by COVID minimizers because unlike similarly resourced countries it decided it was just going to let the virus sweep through more or less, though even Sweden did do some restrictions the minimizers don't think much about ("The public health authorities banned gatherings of over 50 people, closed high schools and universities, and advised people to maintain a safe distance.") and many people voluntarily socially distanced, though masking wasn't really a thing. Sweden also used One Weird Trick of just...letting elderly people in nursing homes die without anything more than palliative care, which accounted for around half of Sweden's deaths, which happened at a higher rate than any comparable country. The whole situation even got a name: The Swedish Experiment. Translated page for perusal If getting COVID before one was vaccinated increases the chance of long COVID (and I think I've seen studies suggestion that, just not ones that made me want to relax precautions), then it's possible Sweden has a higher proportion of people that ended up with long COVID because they let everything rip before any vaccinations were available. DominoKitten has issued a correction as of 04:47 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 04:44
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The Oldest Man posted:Well the fact that the guy is identifying himself and publicly documenting his test procedure makes me feel like it's less likely he's grifting this at least. Yeah I think it's more side hustleitis, where you've made your very earnest hobby into a small business with no economy of scale.
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Aug 31, 2023 04:45
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Guy in my office was positive this morning so probably contagious Monday and Tuesday. Great, the valet at work crashes my car last week and then I get exposed to COVID this week. Hopefully I didn't get hit.
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Aug 31, 2023 06:26
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Gunshow Poophole posted:yeah they're counting on everyone's memory span extending at most one year / infection into the past
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Aug 31, 2023 09:00
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The Oldest Man posted:There are a lot of good intentioned people out there, and an equal number of grifting poo poo-bags looking to make a quick buck. The Oldest Man" posted:Sorry, that was a brain fart. I was thinking of AirPop, specifically this loving thing https://airpophealth.com/products/active-smart-mask-halo-sensor FWIW, way back in 2020 I had the AirPop Light SE KN95 tested at the MIT laboratory that was validating N95s for the state of Massachusetts, and they found it performed at or above the KN95 standard. Can't speak to the smart mask / halo. At this point, there's not as much of a need for mask validation, but this was back when it was impossible to get N95s and most KN95s were counterfeit.
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Aug 31, 2023 11:43
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https://twitter.com/RajlabN/status/1697059564250669453 I hate it whenever a new variant starts to pop up near me, it just make me feel a bit anxious. It does kinda feel like how Delta got started in America, we only found like 15 cases of Delta in the first 3 weeks before it all went bad
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Aug 31, 2023 12:54
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 is EG5 about to get all about eve’d by FL151
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Aug 31, 2023 12:58
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NeonPunk posted:It does kinda feel like how Delta got started in America, we only found like 15 cases of Delta in the first 3 weeks before it all went bad Yeah that's how exponential growth goes: "Hey there's next to zero cases ..... hey there's still next to zero cases ...... hey there's only been a couple more cases ..... whoops now it's everywhere, how did that happen?"
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Aug 31, 2023 13:21
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NeonPunk posted:https://twitter.com/RajlabN/status/1697059564250669453 more coughing at the office again & a coworker back in a surgical and clearly sick it's here, it's been here. this dramatic, slow reveal with wastewater data is part poor monitoring and part spectacle. only your respirator trust
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Aug 31, 2023 13:39
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My experience with clean air kits: I bought a luggable to try it out in home earlier this year, and it was very effective for the wildfire smoke and allergies, at very low power consumption and noise. The up front cost is high but replacement filters are standard furnace filters and cheaper in bulk than things like BlueAir and Mila, which are my other at-home units. They also reached out to me directly by email to make sure everything went well. They sell an optional mesh grate that fits on the side to keep people from touching the filters, but the mesh is very expensive and not particularly well made, so I would recommend not buying that unless you really had to make the unit more presentable in a public space. I bought another for my son's classroom this year, and the low noise and power and stem kit-like appearance helped me sell it on the principal. Time will tell if it actually does any good. None of this really speaks to their effectiveness vs. COVID, but in my experience they seem more of a garage-enthusiast product as opposed to a scam. It's not a professional, mass produced product but it moves air quietly and efficiently, so I think it pretty much comes down to whether or not Filtrete viral filters actually filter viruses.
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Aug 31, 2023 13:49
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah that's how exponential growth goes: "Hey there's next to zero cases ..... hey there's still next to zero cases ...... hey there's only been a couple more cases ..... whoops now it's everywhere, how did that happen?" My biggest concern regarding BA.2.86 tracking is if the variant actually is from Denmark and the first case seen was one of the first infections. That was not the case with Omicron or Delta for that matter; the upticks were noted well in advance of genetic sequencing. Essentially starting the tracking after they had gotten over the initial slow growth of the exponential function.
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Aug 31, 2023 14:01
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"why are we _______(*) on ______(**) instead of _________(***)" * - wasting healthcare (dollars|resources), medications ** - the disabled, the terminally ill, an ethnic minority, LGBTQ people, the other *** - me, the children, pregnant women, god fearing americans
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Aug 31, 2023 14:01
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Another one.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-66670500 posted:Covid: New BA.2.86 variant found in Scotland
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Aug 31, 2023 14:02
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There was a discussion in CD about Nick Nolte and I googled to see if he had any upcoming projects announced and lmaoquote:Will Yun Lee (The Good Doctor) has signed on to star alongside Oliver Masucci, Nick Nolte and Jacqueline Bisset in the pandemic-set psychological drama Shelter Me, marking the directorial debut of actor Jake Weber. 
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Aug 31, 2023 14:09
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was a discussion in CD about Nick Nolte and I googled to see if he had any upcoming projects announced and lmao That premise would be a lot more interesting with the realistic M.Night-twist of the "AI" actually being a LLM and the scientist essentially gaslighting the participants and himself about everyone's feelings. As a scathing critique of capitalism, vc's and techbros.
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Aug 31, 2023 14:29
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tomorrow's September. when do new life expectancy numbers drop (lol)
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Aug 31, 2023 15:02
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Strangelet Wave posted:tomorrow's September. when do new life expectancy numbers drop (lol) That's my secret, Cap. They're constantly dropping. 
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Aug 31, 2023 15:12
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Pingui posted:My biggest concern regarding BA.2.86 tracking is if the variant actually is from Denmark and the first case seen was one of the first infections. Given how little sequencing there is now it seems somewhat unlikely that we caught it that early and it's going to blow up the same way Omicron did but we do live in the worst timeline so
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Aug 31, 2023 15:44
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The Oldest Man posted:Given how little sequencing there is now it seems somewhat unlikely that we caught it that early and it's going to blow up the same way Omicron did but we do live in the worst timeline so Testing is (way) down in Denmark, but not sequencing (hence the concern):  The first BA.2.86 sample was from Week 30, where ~69% of samples were sequenced and 50% produced a genome. Also noticed this (that's 9 BA.2.86 samples in Denmark):  Source: https://www.covid19genomics.dk/statistics
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NeonPunk posted:It does kinda feel like how Delta got started in America, we only found like 15 cases of Delta in the first 3 weeks before it all went bad Pingui posted:That was not the case with Omicron or Delta for that matter; the upticks were noted well in advance of genetic sequencing. Essentially starting the tracking after they had gotten over the initial slow growth of the exponential function. Not so for many countries. Delta was absolutely sequenced, spotted, and watched before cases caused by it went up. For the US it's actually closer to [edit] Yup, Ryan and Marc pointed out the same time-frame. Our memories get skewed and it's not always actually as fast as it felt like it was. https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1696987240151359751 Zantie has issued a correction as of 16:09 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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