Ukraine War: "20 months of war for a used car."

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Dwesa: Jul 19, 2016; Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

zone posted:

You will own nonfunctioning Puccian goods, and be happy

while Russian oligarchs will be saying goodbye to the West from their mansions in Dubai

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:13

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 06:22

SRQ: Nov 9, 2009

I'm curious here, now. Do we have good stats for:
Russian military strength pre-war/now in relative vehicles/persons available. Ukrainian for the same.
Are both countries worse off, and by what margins?

This is a pretty heavy question that no doubt requires a lot of research, but I figure these numbers might have been tossed around in the thread.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:23

zone: Dec 6, 2016

SRQ posted:

I'm curious here, now. Do we have good stats for:
Russian military strength pre-war/now in relative vehicles/persons available. Ukrainian for the same.
Are both countries worse off, and by what margins?

This is a pretty heavy question that no doubt requires a lot of research, but I figure these numbers might have been tossed around in the thread.

We don't really know. According to the Oryx group their total of visually confirmed losses is, +/- 20-30% for Puccia and 15-20% for Ukraine, the absolute floor of the recorded losses. Even now old losses from previous battles are still being occasionally posted after geolocation gets confirmed. More than that, we have no idea.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:27

SRQ: Nov 9, 2009

zone posted:

We don't really know. According to the Oryx group their total of visually confirmed losses is, +/- 20-30% for Puccia and 15-20% for Ukraine, the absolute floor of the recorded losses. Even now old losses from previous battles are still being occasionally posted after geolocation gets confirmed. More than that, we have no idea.

That about tracks to where I thought, and it's loving mind-blowing.
It's really hard for me to wrap my head around a peer conflict in 2023 that's destroyed 30 odd percent of its participants military strength.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:34

zone: Dec 6, 2016

SRQ posted:

That about tracks to where I thought, and it's loving mind-blowing.
It's really hard for me to wrap my head around a peer conflict in 2023 that's destroyed 30 odd percent of its participants military strength.

I wasn't referring to 30% of their military strength, I was more saying the total number of destroyed equipment on Oryx for both sides + those percentages indicate the floor level of losses for both sides. As to how much equipment both actually have in total, that'd be harder to pin down.

e: in other news, according to Terrorist Guzenko, the high command of the 205th brigade are none too happy about the milbloggers telling the truth about their miserable situation, and ordered their arrest by any means.

quote:

And so, I have information from verified sources that the Military Counterintelligence (MCI), today received a task to detain our comrades in the Kherson region, in this list: Romanov (https://t.me/romanov_92), Zhivov (https://t.me/zhivoff), Saponkov (https://t.me/RSaponkov).

And also, the "valiant" brigade commander of the 205th brigade, including gave the task to all posts to identify and detain the above-mentioned people.

Hello, 1937!

That is, everyone who can be removed is removed, someone is put in jail, someone is eliminated forever, there is a mess and lawlessness at the front, and those who tell the truth are trying to be eliminated by any available means INSTEAD OF RESTRAINING THOSE WHO DONATE THE TRUTH.

The question is of course rhetorical, do the commanders have a conscience? I think the answer is obvious.

If there are honest officers left in our Armed Forces, they will not allow this to happen, and if it happens, then know that lies are at every turn, and those who give out these criminal orders are nothing but traitors and collaborators of the enemy.

P.S. The 2nd company of the 205th brigade is being dispersed to different places, half of them are being transferred to Dzhankoy, so that they will not be able to deliver information to the inspectors from the Defense Ministry.

e: forgot telegram link
https://t.me/Separ13_13/18456

zone fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Aug 31, 2023

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:38

SRQ: Nov 9, 2009

zone posted:

I wasn't referring to 30% of their military strength, I was more saying the total number of destroyed equipment on Oryx for both sides + those percentages indicate the floor level of losses for both sides. As to how much equipment both actually have in total, that'd be harder to pin down.

Dang it! Well 30 odd percent of pre-war stocks is the last I remember referenced for Russia.
At the very least the cost is enormous.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:39

Sekenr: Dec 12, 2013

GABA ghoul posted:

Russia should surrender those islands to avoid bloodshed

Conflict over such island led to a bloody battle and almost sparked a full war between USSR and China in 1969. USSR kept the island but Putin officially gave it to China in 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict

# ? Aug 31, 2023 10:42

RBA-Wintrow: Nov 4, 2009; Clapping Larry

zone posted:

You will own nonfunctioning Puccian goods, and be happy

I need a translation of that translation!

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:02

zone: Dec 6, 2016

RBA-Wintrow posted:

I need a translation of that translation!

Dugin is basically saying that Puccians should be proud to own products made in Puccia that don't work as intended, food that's not as tasty as what they got from Europe, etc. and to rejoice at the subsequent fall in their standards of living.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:05

Cartoon Man: Jan 31, 2004

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-demands-norway-pay-millions-for-reindeer-border-crossing-2023-8?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T

Special grazing operation

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:28

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

What am I to do without an assault rifle when 30-50 feral reindeer cross my border

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:41

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Big rear end On Fire posted:

Lol

I have no idea what is real, what is a joke, and what is both at this point

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:41

Mr. Merdle: Oct 17, 2007; THE GREAT MANBABY SUCCESSOR

What are advantages and disadvantages to self propelled arty vs towed? Outside of the obvious cost difference?

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:43

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

With self propelled artillery, you don't have to worry about renting a pickup truck

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:44

Dwesa: Jul 19, 2016; Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

RBA-Wintrow posted:

I need a translation of that translation!

After Russia banned isekai manga, they're trying to replace them with home-made telegram stories of Dugin-chan who promotes the benefits of domestic misery

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:52

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

reverse isekai where your dream life in western europe is over and now you get taken off your office wageslave job to make bread payments and get sent straight to the front

# ? Aug 31, 2023 12:57

Tai: Mar 8, 2006

Mr. Merdle posted:

What are advantages and disadvantages to self propelled arty vs towed? Outside of the obvious cost difference?

SPG will have lots of extra bits and pieces on like GPS etc. It's much faster to get around the local area and redeploy.

Towed stuff is much quicker to be able to deploy in a larger area and can be air lifted via most helis. It's costs are vastly lower than SPG's to build, train crew and maintain.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 13:03

CommissarMega: Nov 18, 2008; THUNDERDOME LOSER

zone posted:

Dugin is basically saying that Puccians should be proud to own products made in Puccia that don't work as intended, food that's not as tasty as what they got from Europe, etc. and to rejoice at the subsequent fall in their standards of living.

In a saner nation with a saner commenter, I'd assume he was being sarcastic. But this is Russia, and that is Dugin, so who the gently caress knows.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 13:13

Strategic Tea: Sep 1, 2012

Cartoon Man posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-demands-norway-pay-millions-for-reindeer-border-crossing-2023-8?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T

Special grazing operation

The specialest forces :3:

# ? Aug 31, 2023 13:17

Sashimi: Dec 26, 2008; College Slice

Santa Claus has some wild stories about getting intercepted by MiGs on Christmas Eve.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 13:19

raifield: Feb 21, 2005

Sashimi posted:

Santa Claus has some wild stories about getting intercepted by MiGs on Christmas Eve.

Saw Violent Night last week. My money is on Santa.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 13:26

Zat: Jan 16, 2008

Sashimi posted:

Santa Claus has some wild stories about getting intercepted by MiGs on Christmas Eve.

No doubt! According to Finnish forklore, Santa lives on a fell on the Finnish-Russian border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korvatunturi

Zat fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Aug 31, 2023

# ? Aug 31, 2023 13:36

BrassRoots: Jan 9, 2012; You can play a shoestring if you're sincere - John Coltrane

Seeing reports of more drones over bryansk

# ? Aug 31, 2023 14:11

EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

Cartoon Man posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-demands-norway-pay-millions-for-reindeer-border-crossing-2023-8?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T

Special grazing operation

Imagine if they were German deer...

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# ? Aug 31, 2023 14:29

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

quote:

Russian defense minister Shoigu ordered that the country's largest air defense system producer should work around the clock after the largest raid by Ukrainian drones to Russian cities Shoigu gave the instruction during his visit to the the Almaz-Antey

Is this what winners usually do?

# ? Aug 31, 2023 15:21

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Is this what winners usually do?

Getting tired of winning

# ? Aug 31, 2023 15:40

cr0y: Mar 24, 2005

"work more and harder"

Can't believe they didn't try that earlier!

# ? Aug 31, 2023 15:51

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

The children yearn to operate crew served artillery systems in the Donbass.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 16:27

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Hello it is a good day for Russia to lose the war

# ? Aug 31, 2023 16:40

weg: Jun 6, 2006; Reassisted Retrogression

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The children yearn to operate crew served artillery systems in the Donbass.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 16:51

zone: Dec 6, 2016

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Is this what winners usually do?

10 cents says that there'll be a production line disaster there in less than a month.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 16:53

bad boys for life: Jun 6, 2003; by sebmojo

zone posted:

10 cents says that there'll be a production line disaster there in less than a month.

Considering that video of a "trained" russian soldier about to put a mortar round in backwards, Im not sure itll take more than a day.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:10

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

"Devils and Angels" are sniping top Russian commanders to demoralize their troops, but I halfway wonder if that might have the opposite effect and raise their morale instead given how insanely poo poo Russian officers are!

https://www.businessinsider.com/elite-ukraine-sniper-team-devils-and-angels-targets-top-russians-2023-8

quote:

While Ukrainian troops struggle to proceed through Russia's minefields, an elite team of snipers are focused on taking one shot at a time � and strategically picking off high-profile Russian military targets.

The team of snipers has dubbed itself the "Devils and Angels," according to a report in The Wall Street Journal. A crucial part of their role is to take out high-level Russian commanders and other high profile targets, with the ultimate goal of sowing shock, chaos, and disorganization in the enemy ranks.

"If you're assembling to attack and your lieutenant is picked off, the unit goes into disarray," military historian and retired Army Major General Robert Scales told the Journal. Even killing the leader of a small unit can "completely discombobulate the unit," he added.

The snipers training near Bakhmut told the outlet that in addition to their marksmanship, they're training to be even more elusive in the field. "We work quietly, we are invisible," a sniper who goes by Fisher said.

Ukrainian snipers have previously said it's their mission to terrorize and demoralize Russian troops. One sniper who was severely wounded in battle told CNN last week he underwent 16 operations just so he could get rejoin his unit on the frontlines in the Zaporizhzhia region.

Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told the Journal "snipers also become much more important when the front lines stabilize, as they have for the last many months in Ukraine."

Ukraine's snipers have said they don't typically use ghillie suits, camouflage often used by Western snipers to help them blend into the environment, because they were too heavy to hike in across battlefields, Insider's Ryan Pickrell previously reported. The snipers do, however, say they prefer Western rifles.

Night-vision technology has also helped Ukrainian snipers identify and hit their targets, with an unverified video from June appearing to show them holding off a Russian attack by aiming at thermal images of moving targets.

Also in June a Ukrainian sniper picked off Vladimir Andonov, a Wagner Group member known at "The Executioner" and one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's most notorious mercenary fighters.

Good hunting to them

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:16

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

A German donated field hospital was delivered to Ukraine last week. It is designed to substitute as a civilian oblast level hospital. It was made by Rheinmetall and comes with containers with MRT, operations, dental care, intensive care, and a shock room

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:20

Tai: Mar 8, 2006

So blown up by end of the next week.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:22

Sedgr: Sep 16, 2007; Neat!

HonorableTB posted:

A German donated field hospital was delivered to Ukraine last week. It is designed to substitute as a civilian oblast level hospital. It was made by Rheinmetall and comes with containers with MRT, operations, dental care, intensive care, and a shock room

That's awesome and I hope it remains safe and doing work.

Putin is a real piece of poo poo.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:28

tiaz: Jul 1, 2004; PICK UP THAT PRESENT.

Zelensky's Zealots

Tai posted:

So blown up by end of the next week.

depends if they follow treat&scoot doctrine or not.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:30

Ikasuhito: Sep 29, 2013; Haram as Fuck.

Tai posted:

So blown up by end of the next week.

Just disguise it as an ammo warehouse. They would never waste their precious missiles on one of those.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:37

Burns: May 10, 2008

Please remove photos. Russians and their simps scour the net for stuff like this.

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:41

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 06:22

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

Ukraine should make inflatable decoy hospitals and schools and theaters and such

# ? Aug 31, 2023 17:44

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