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EdsTeioh
Oct 23, 2004

PRAY FOR DEATH


Lumpy posted:

It's all your fault!!!!


(thank you)

Well if you're ever in the swamps of the Southeast, hmu and we'll smash hams...er...Hobbitts.

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SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe
I also have a Battle Sisters squad box. I'm going to model my Novitiates as Battle Sisters to have the actually good team rules with the visuals I prefer. The squad box plus the Novitiate Superior means I have 11 full-fledged Sister models. There are 12 unique operatives to model in Novitiates, though, remembering you need two Purgatuses Purgapodes Purgatii flamer troops but also not modeling any regular Militants.

So somebody has to look like a Novitiate. I'm soliciting opinions on if it should be

(1) the Reliquarius because I don't think I'd ever bring her to the table anyway

(2) the Penitent because the flavor text says she's on probation

(3) the Hospitaler to give a loose non-combatant impression

(4) the Condemnor to look lighter-weight and sneakier

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

I’m thinking of using some money for my club on terrain- where can I get some good “Ruined City” terrain for cheap to Canada?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Look for "Pegasus Hobbies' Gothic City." They're good value boxes, and look great if you put just a little effort into adding details.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

drat. You're a canuck so you know how expensive those bullshit-rear end knight kits are

Yeah, love to pay through the nose for a F3 dude on a horse.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Waited an hour through a preview stream promising The Old World coverage and got a single Bretonnia model. Amazing.

I don't know why I get my hopes up. Fool me... How many times? It's definitely shame on me by now. I'm just going to play OPR Fantasy stuff at this point

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I don't think anyone said there was going to be ToW content though.

Still, annoying.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
It was on the preview banner:



But eh, c'est la vie.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Oh poo poo, I'm very glad I didn't notice that.

Those Gorgers will absolutely end up in OKingdoms armies, but that's about it.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Count Thrashula posted:

Waited an hour through a preview stream promising The Old World coverage and got a single Bretonnia model. Amazing.

I don't know why I get my hopes up. Fool me... How many times? It's definitely shame on me by now. I'm just going to play OPR Fantasy stuff at this point

It seems pretty obvious that they are not going to make a real effort with ToW.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.





This showed up on Reddit, I guess I blinked and missed a new Bret damsel?

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

IncredibleIgloo posted:

It seems pretty obvious that they are not going to make a real effort with ToW.

Yeah, I'm starting to realize that. I was so excited when it was announced :(

Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you
I love the aesthetic for the underwater creature Slaaneshi warband for Underworlds!

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
They are definitely putting four+ years of dev time into a project 'that they are not going to make a real effort with', yes. This is a rational conclusion to take away from being shown an incredibly sculpted teaser mini.

radlum
May 13, 2013
My issue is not that we get drips of information every once in a while, but that most of what we have seen have been resin models. Just show us some plastic stuff, I don't mind waiting for the game, I just want to know if I can afford to play it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They are definitely putting four+ years of dev time into a project 'that they are not going to make a real effort with', yes. This is a rational conclusion to take away from being shown an incredibly sculpted teaser mini.


Do you have any source for the 4+ years dev work or are you just being exceedingly optimistic? And thinking the mini quality says anything about the game quality is pure delusion, especially when we're talking Games Workshop. Assuming half assed game design is the sane position at this point.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They are definitely putting four+ years of dev time into a project 'that they are not going to make a real effort with', yes. This is a rational conclusion to take away from being shown an incredibly sculpted teaser mini.

I mean, do you think it's possible that ToW is just one of many projects worked on by a small pool of designers and sometimes there may be err gaps, if you will in dev time, and there hasn't been a dedicated ToW team that's been banging away the game nonstop for four years?

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

radlum posted:

My issue is not that we get drips of information every once in a while, but that most of what we have seen have been resin models. Just show us some plastic stuff, I don't mind waiting for the game, I just want to know if I can afford to play it.

You've seen the plastic stuff. It existed for over a decade for most of the range. The different time setting just means new heroes which is why that's all they're showing, it's probably all they're making new outside of the rulebook.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They are definitely putting four+ years of dev time into a project 'that they are not going to make a real effort with', yes. This is a rational conclusion to take away from being shown an incredibly sculpted teaser mini.

A company who cranks out miniatures at a breakneck pace has their side studio working on a project and is demoing one model a year, on average. No effort was made to time the project with a massively successful video game franchise of the same topic. The majority of the models will be resin and expensive. Doesn't seem like a real effort to me for a game that needs more models than any of the other GW offerings.

Covermeinsunshine
Sep 15, 2021

Gorgers are awesome
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/nova-open-preview-the-gorger-mawpack-prepare-to-make-a-meal-out-of-the-wildercorps/

and squid is my friend

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/nova-open-preview-dysfunctional-daemons-and-determined-deepkin-duel-over-souls/

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



People, just stop worrying about Old World. It's fine, it's been dead for ages now.

smug jeebus
Oct 26, 2008
Yeah, and it'll stay that way if half the line is in resin

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Lord_Hambrose posted:

People, just stop worrying about Old World. It's fine, it's been dead for ages now.

Games Workshop Specialist Games: People, just stop worrying about Old World. It's fine, it's been dead for ages now.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

smug jeebus posted:

Yeah, and it'll stay that way if half the line is in resin

It's going to be 25 year old plastics. The only resin is probably going to be new characters and special stuff

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

berzerkmonkey posted:

It's going to be 25 year old plastics. The only resin is probably going to be new characters and special stuff

Looking forward to getting some freshly minted sprues with "©Games Workshop 1998" (or similar) stamped on 'em :v:

Tiny Chalupa
Feb 14, 2012

Cease to Hope posted:

All the amazing :words: about starting Kill Team

Thank you!! Very helpful
Model wise I'm looking at the:

Gellerpox, Breachers, Kommandos, Brood Coven and the Hearthkyn.

Tiny Chalupa fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Aug 31, 2023

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

IncredibleIgloo posted:

A company who cranks out miniatures at a breakneck pace has their side studio working on a project and is demoing one model a year, on average. No effort was made to time the project with a massively successful video game franchise of the same topic. The majority of the models will be resin and expensive. Doesn't seem like a real effort to me for a game that needs more models than any of the other GW offerings.

The video games are probably a big part of why The Old World is a thing at all. That's just an asinine complaint.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Improbable Lobster posted:

The video games are probably a big part of why The Old World is a thing at all. That's just an asinine complaint.

Just a reminder that the first Total War: Warhammer game was already well into production when GW announced they were killing off the original WHFB setting in favor of Age of Sigmar.

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

Sydney Bottocks posted:

Just a reminder that the first Total War: Warhammer game was already well into production when GW announced they were killing off the original WHFB setting in favor of Age of Sigmar.

It is pretty funny that they killed warhammer fantasy just as total warhammer 1 came out and it won't be back until 3's dlc is wrapping up

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Improbable Lobster posted:

The video games are probably a big part of why The Old World is a thing at all. That's just an asinine complaint.

It seems like a pretty reasonable complaint given that the series debuted 7 years ago. If they were going to make a serious attempt at The Old World that is designed to bring in new players and establish a game with legs then they would have already launched it in the last 4 years. We know they can come up with games and launch them in that time frame as they have, they launched Aeronautica Imperialis in that time frame and they will likely launch the new version of Epic prior to ToW's release. They had plenty of time and runway to even do a never before seen faction to launch with WHTW:3, they could have done Cathay. Or Kislev. But they didn't. They didn't leverage an incredibly succesfull cross collaboration of their IP that was attracting new users and fans. So either GW is terrible at business or ToW isn't a launch they are putting any real effort into and are just going to use it to sell expensive resin models and get some use out of their old moulds and pacify some old Grognards. Or both.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
I was googling up ToW release info today and so only realized this morning that a lot (all?) of the line will be resin. Ugh, uuuugh.

But if it creates new rules and any interest at all, I'll just make an army using Mantic plastic or something. I'm determined to get an army made and games played if there's any level of interest anywhere at all near me.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Did people straight up forget that ~90% ToW is the AoS plastics you can already buy right now?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





moths posted:

Did people straight up forget that ~90% ToW is the AoS plastics you can already buy right now?

Basing is going to be an issue because there was an article a while back that stated that they are for sure sticking with square bases and increasing the base size to 25mm. They did not close the door explicitly on having movement stands that accept round bases like a lot of other systems use for rank and file, but they did not seem to imply that was a direction they are looking to go. Most of the new AoS stuff is a little too dynamic to fit nicely, even on 25mm square bases. Heck, even the original rank and file WFB troops barely fit together. Cavalry may be the easiest to adapt as they are small units and if you run a unit of 5 you run them at that width, making frontage concerns with a fixed movement base less of a concern.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

moths posted:

Did people straight up forget that ~90% ToW is the AoS plastics you can already buy right now?

The two main launch factions are Bretonnia and Khemri. Which plastics can I buy for those?

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

moths posted:

Did people straight up forget that ~90% ToW is the AoS plastics you can already buy right now?

I took a cursory glance at some of the AoS stuff on GW's webstore, and all's I can say is good luck getting the majority of that into rank & file cleanly. So many of the AoS models have very dynamic poses that work great for a single figure, but not so much when they're going to be part of a massed regiment of troops.

If GW were smart they'd have just revamped Mordheim to include some of the AoS stuff, and made some newer sculpts of some of the original MH warbands and characters.

goodness
Jan 3, 2012

just keep swimming

IncredibleIgloo posted:

GW is terrible at business

We've known this for a long time

Jack B Nimble posted:

I was googling up ToW release info today and so only realized this morning that a lot (all?) of the line will be resin. Ugh, uuuugh.

But if it creates new rules and any interest at all, I'll just make an army using Mantic plastic or something. I'm determined to get an army made and games played if there's any level of interest anywhere at all near me.

There are several ks/patreons/etc that have made near 1:1 3d files for old world warhammer. Or you can go the recaster route and get copies of the actual old world models.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





goodness posted:

We've known this for a long time

There are several ks/patreons/etc that have made near 1:1 3d files for old world warhammer. Or you can go the recaster route and get copies of the actual old world models.

Titan Forge has some models that I really like for 3d printing. They come in 28 and 32mm scale, square and circle bases, and cover a lot of WFB armies and a few armies that were not. They even have Chaos Dwarfs that look pretty good!

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Count Thrashula posted:

The two main launch factions are Bretonnia and Khemri. Which plastics can I buy for those?

wait what, tomb kings are getting attention again?

I just woke up from my long long slumber and disinterest in anything games workshop has been doing, dust falling from my hair, and looked again longingly at my carefully packed away half-painted massive tomb kings army and shed a single tear

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Count Thrashula posted:

The two main launch factions are Bretonnia and Khemri. Which plastics can I buy for those?

The starter box? We've already seen the plastic Bret knights. They're not going to un-make those just to spite WHFB players.

There are also other armies!

Sydney Bottocks posted:

I took a cursory glance at some of the AoS stuff on GW's webstore, and all's I can say is good luck getting the majority of that into rank & file cleanly.

The new AoS units are crazy dynamic, but the thing to consider is that most of the 8th ed WHFB figures got issued round bases and rolled straight into AoS.

Plus, we know 20mm based units are going up to 25mm. That's an extra centimeter between models, which makes ranking a lot easier.

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Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

IncredibleIgloo posted:

So either GW is terrible at business or ToW isn't a launch they are putting any real effort into and are just going to use it to sell expensive resin models and get some use out of their old moulds and pacify some old Grognards. Or both.

GW isn't bad at business, at least since their last CEO left.
WFB was just not worth it for them. WFB never sold well enough to justify the resources to maintain 10+ army ranges.

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