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I just went through wofa for work and yeah back blows and back as being taught
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wofa deez nuts
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zoux posted:What's wofa? I googled it and got Western Oriental Fighting Arts and Wife of Fan Addict
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The slap on the back is being taught as the first option in Britain as well. Let the patient know what you are going to do and give them a moment to object then two or three sharp slaps on the upper back. Only if that doesn't work do you use the Heimlich. I don't know if the slapping works or that step is there to stop people being Heimlich happy, as done properly the Heimlich does cause some pretty bad bruising to the organs and you should get medical attention after it has been performed.
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red cross teaches a mixed technique in their first aid course, at least in my experience you start off with three back blows (not back slaps of the kind heimlich is talking about - you bend the person over to do it, because a standing back slap can do exactly what heimlich is talking about and pull the object down, making it worse - you want gravity on your side, not against you) and then three heimlich thrusts. you alternate until the situation is resolved or they fall unconscious anyway yeah choking is not an uncommon way to die historically
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zoux posted:What's wofa? Wilderness first aid Should have been WFA, but I was semi conscious in a work truck after 80 hours of work.
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I get the idea that if you're an Egyptian goddess and get pissed off enough you become Sekhmet. Like the Hulk, but more lionessy. Also a pretty common thing in classical religion and myth that there's something of a divide between the gods as characters and the gods as embodiments of natural forces and concepts. I get the feeling they had a lot of assumptions and devices about that which can be lost on modern audiences. Also the idea of aspects and that gods can themselves take on very different personas as part of the job.
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Look, if humans didn't want Hathor, Goddess of music, dance, beauty, and rocking out with your tits out to turn into Sekhmet, the vengeful and burning Eye of Re, then maaaaaaaybe they shouldn't go around making fun of Re on one of the times He gets old and start comparing His flesh to silver and His hair to lapis lazuli. Just sayin'. Like honestly, what did they think was going to happen?
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Is Heracles even Greek or is that pre Greek substrate
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euphronius posted:Is Heracles even Greek or is that pre Greek substrate He's probably some pal of Gilgamesh.
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euphronius posted:Is Heracles even Greek or is that pre Greek substrate Burkert thought he was a pre-agriculture legendary hunter-shaman. But that was kind of Burkert’s big idea about Greek myth so ymmv The name is definitely Greek and there is an onomastic/etymological component to the myth which, unreliable as such things can be, I don’t think modern scholarship has seriously questioned.
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Herakles isn't one of the accepted Proto-Indo-European deities/mythological figures as far as I know. Usual caveats about that but I think the evidence is pretty good for the general idea of those and some of the specifics. Anyway I've seen statues of (a figure directly derived from) Herakles in temples in Japan so obviously he was invented by the ancient Koreans.
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seems like "big strong guy that rules at everything" transcended cultures real fast and whether or not he was PIE he may as well have been
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I was reading Wikipedia earlier about pre Greek substrate so was wondering . Checking now Look at its list of non Greek theonyms I don’t know how much I trust Wikipedia anymore tho with the constant editing by … political …. Europeans
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euphronius posted:I don’t know how much I trust Wikipedia anymore tho with the constant editing by … political …. Europeans I don't know anything about this. Could you elaborate?
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Judgy Fucker posted:I don't know anything about this. Could you elaborate? Here is a recent paper https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25785648.2023.2168939
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I get the idea that if you're an Egyptian goddess and get pissed off enough you become Sekhmet. Like the Hulk, but more lionessy.
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Those theonyms all appear to be sourced from various works by the Dutch linguist Robert Beekes. From a cursory glance it appears fairly legitimate to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._P._Beekes
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Terrible Opinions posted:Are there any stories about someone besides Hathor turning into Sekhmet? Here is a source mentioning the Isis transformation I referred to last page -- just the first book I had available  It is probably worth noting that Aset Herself, being a God of Magic, can probably take on other Gods' forms more readily than other deities might have been able to. As I also mentioned in the previous post, becoming a God was something pretty explicitly linked, for humans anyway, with the use of magic and ritual.Egyptian Myths: A Guide to the Ancient Gods and Legends, by Garry J. Shaw posted:[Gehesty] is also mentioned in Papyrus Jumilhac as the location where Isis defended the body of Osiris from Seth by manifesting herself in various forms: becoming the lion goddess Sekhmet; a dog with a knife for a tail; and a serpent associated with Hathor. The papyrus itself is apparently only officially translated into French, although this page seems to provide a translation of that. Click through if you'd like the full passage. Isiopolis.com posted:Set once more regrouped His allies, but Isis marched against them. She concealed Herself in Gebal which is south of Dunanwi, after having made Her transformation into Her Mother Sekhmet. She sent out a flame against them all, seeing to it that they were burned and devoured by Her flame.
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euphronius posted:Here is a recent paper https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25785648.2023.2168939 Yeah, it's hard to deal with a sufficiently persistent group of zealots on Wikipedia, so long as they aren't too obvious in their crankery or blatantly rude. It's easy to point to WP:FRINGE to deal with outright Holocaust deniers, but it's harder to deal with nationalists trying to distort their particular country's role in the Holocaust, because it's less obvious to a non-expert what's mainstream and what's fringe. Edit: This is probably an insoluble problem to a degree (in general, not just Holocaust history). I don't think traditional encyclopedias ever fully solved it either; I think the tendency of the Encyclopedia Britannica was to have experts writing the articles, but only one expert per article, and to present that one person's views as the truth rather than trying to reflect an expert consensus. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Thanks for the sources. I missed the last few posts of the previous page.
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Grand Fromage posted:Herakles isn't one of the accepted Proto-Indo-European deities/mythological figures as far as I know.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Thanks for the sources. I missed the last few pages of the previous page. No problem!
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Silver2195 posted:Edit: This is probably an insoluble problem to a degree (in general, not just Holocaust history). I don't think traditional encyclopedias ever fully solved it either; I think the tendency of the Encyclopedia Britannica was to have experts writing the articles, but only one expert per article, and to present that one person's views as the truth rather than trying to reflect an expert consensus. The Encyclopedia Britannica had Margaret Murray write the article on witchcraft for quite some time and that is quite the lol if you know anything about Margaret "selectively edit trial records and make absurd leaps of logic" Murray.
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Wikipedia isn't really that much less reliable than just the internet in general. It's just that the internet in general will be littered with things that are just some guy saying it. There'll be citations for most of the facts they provide, but those can come from anywhere. All you can do is just cultivate your own sense of what things people would ted to make up, what is likely to be true, and be willing to dig into citations on things that you think are important enough. Critical thinking.
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Good wikipedia fights can actually sort of beat out the consensus into the article, which earlier Encyclopedia Britannica was sorely missing.
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I was specifically being leery of Wikipedia wrt nationalist issues such as etymology I’m sure other topics are more or less accurate like sports scores or modified Newtonian physics
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euphronius posted:I was specifically being leery of Wikipedia wrt nationalist issues such as etymology Yeah, I think it varies by subject matter. To return to the nominal subject of this thread, Wikipedia's articles on ancient history often have problems, even when no nationalist passions are involved, due to the use of outdated sources.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Wikipedia isn't really that much less reliable than just the internet in general. It's just that the internet in general will be littered with things that are just some guy saying it. There'll be citations for most of the facts they provide, but those can come from anywhere. That was probably true six months ago but these days you put either "wiki" or "reddit" into your Google search if you want to avoid AI generated trash
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Wikipedia can also get a lot more or less rigorous depending on what language you're reading it in. English wikipedia, for example, privileges online sources heavily so you can end up with some weird poo poo. I forget if that's explicit of if that's just the way it shakes out in their edit arguments. German wikipedia, meanwhile, is a lot more likely to lean on books. It can be worth while to play around with the language signifier on the article URL (e.g. changing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Luger to de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Luger) and seeing what you get. Even if you don't read the language google translate is a thing and is usually fine enough for spitting out something passable on a wikipedia article. Sometimes you need to do a little loving around. For example if you search Kielce pogrom there's no straight German version of the URL, but if you go to the German entry for Kielce, scroll down to post-WW2, you'll find an entry for Pogrom von Kielce.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That was probably true six months ago but these days you put either "wiki" or "reddit" into your Google search if you want to avoid AI generated trash Frankly the reddit trick is rapidly dying. Can't count the number of times I've done it recently only to find a delted OP or a sub that's crumbled to poo poo.
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We are going to have to go to research libraries to look things up. (Again)
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You always had to.Hieronymous Alloy posted:That was probably true six months ago but these days you put either "wiki" or "reddit" into your Google search if you want to avoid AI generated trash I've heard people say that, but I've never actually observed it. While I have no doubt that there are people out there trying to flood common search queries with AI drivel (just like how back in the day, a lot of people used to make web pages that were just filled with lists of keywords to game the search engine), I just haven't seen it. Google search has steadily been getting worse, but I think it's because they have embraced an ethos of not creating a system that could be figured out, but because they are more likely these days to get stuck on one specific idea of what they think the user wants, and if what you want isn't on the first page, probably it won't matter how deep you go, you're not going to get anything different. And while everything AI writes is poo poo, that doesn't mean that all poo poo writing is AI.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You always had to. Google pretty much anything related to video games. Like "<game name> <quest item> location" type stuff. So much loving SEO-optimized garbage. Is it AI generated or whipped together via a template by some poor SOB on poverty wages who has to write 30 of these a day? No idea, don't care, they all suck.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Google pretty much anything related to video games. Like "<game name> <quest item> location" type stuff. This and also anything computer-related. I used to be able to figure out just about any software trick or tech issue by googling and now i have to trudge through reams of horrible articles to learn anything.
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A lot of times you gotta find a reliable site and then do site searches to get actual info. Even this is getting harder with more and more poo poo getting shunted onto discord servers.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You always had to. I looked up info on pruning my banana tree and google served up a bunch of fake autogenerated result webpages, including one that looked plausible at first glance until it talked about 'branches crossing each other'
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Bringing it a little back to a historical lens, I wonder how the decline of the internet will be studied. Will researchers have to rely on people's memories, as the old internet is so hard to actually see? You can get snapshots of things via the Wayback Machine and other archives, but there will be a lot of dead links and the texture and feel of actually using it just isn't there any more.
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If you want to see just how hosed up the internet is now thanks to GPT, search for the difference between a bay and a sound.
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