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Gaius Marius posted:That wasn't exactly uncommon at the time. GTAIII to Vice City is only 9 months or so. They also put out a lot of games at the time which is often the sign of a flailing company, strange then that they're some of the companies best. Perhaps they need to go back into near bankruptcy. Yeah I was pretty surprised to hear that quote about Atlus being on the verge of collapse since I always consider the PS2 era to be Peak SMT. Kind of feel like Digital Devil Saga was the first attempt a couple years before P3 to break into a more mainstream audience, with how it was a much more conventional character-focused "cinematic" RPG that did away with things like demon recruitment/fusion in favor of a standard RPG party and seems largely like a response to Final Fantasy X. Though it was probably still a bit too weird to really catch on and P3 ended up being their breakout hit.
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Tired Moritz posted:Maybe Tri-Ace should have made a game with dating elements in the ps2 so it wouldn't be making crap nowadays Star Ocean 3 let you have different romantic paired endings!
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Barry Bluejeans posted:
I'm playing through LUCT right now.
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ImpAtom posted:It's worth recalling that very few smaller companies, especially RPG developers, managed to survive the transition past PS2. They either moved away from RPGs, got bought out, or died.
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ImpAtom posted:Star Ocean 3 let you have different romantic paired endings! yeah but you have to play star ocean 3 to get to them
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As beloved as Atlus' PS2 days are, they were also pretty shaky. The DDS games didn't do well and even the original releases of SMT3 and P3 weren't immediate smash hits.
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I'm probably wrong about this but based on what I remember from 2007, Persona 3 being more "mainstream" wasn't even the big reason the series took off, at least over here in Western territories. Most of the attention it gained initially was because of the whole "shoot yourself in the head" thing.
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Arist posted:I'm probably wrong about this but based on what I remember from 2007, Persona 3 being more "mainstream" wasn't even the big reason the series took off, at least over here in Western territories. Most of the attention it gained initially was because of the whole "shoot yourself in the head" thing. I didn't actually play 3 until after 5 came out, but even then I very specifically remember "that weird game where you shoot yourself to do magic"
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Between FES and Portable, which one would be more responsible for the worldwide sales jump?
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Honestly, the correct answer to that question is 4.
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DanielCross posted:I didn't actually play 3 until after 5 came out, but even then I very specifically remember "that weird game where you shoot yourself to do magic" I bought 3 fes as my first Persona, played through the first 2 major bosses and bounced off. Bought 4 Golden on Vita to play on my Vita TV, played through the tutorial bits probably and never found time. Bought Persona 5, sink 100+ hours in playthrough 1, bought Persona 5 Royal when it hit, played another 80+ hours in New game+ for the platinum and then immediately started on Persona 5 Royal, another 120+ hours for the platinum, but didn't NG+ yet. Bought Striker PS4, and Persona 5 R on switch. Have yet to start them. Reading back up on this thread, I'm thinking strikers needs to come out, and my trip to NYCC may be when the next playthrough starts of 5R... maybe I pick it up on Steam and use the deck... I may have a problem.
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Char posted:Sorry for the drive by posting but Please support Sophia's Shop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4ET-FEZUk
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Arist posted:Honestly, the correct answer to that question is 4. i think it was a gradual growth, and each step was important.
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From what I recall it was basically: Nocturne came out -> People literally paid attention because it had Dante in it. DDS kind of got attention but it lacked Dante from Devil May Cry Persona 3 (and later FES) came out and started to attract attention, but it was more of a slow burn. Persona 4 is when it exploded.
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anakha posted:Between FES and Portable, which one would be more responsible for the worldwide sales jump? Definitely not the one on the PSP
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This might just be my experience but I feel like P5R dropping just before the pandemic started led to another huge boom too
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Persona 5 was a comfy winter game and p5 Royal was a comfy pandemic game
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Yeah, I think 4 was when the series gathered serious momentum. 3 was kind of a cult favourite that had interesting ideas plus the whole gun to head thing (as someone else mentioned), which was certainly pretty provocative and iconic.
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Arist posted:I'm probably wrong about this but based on what I remember from 2007, Persona 3 being more "mainstream" wasn't even the big reason the series took off, at least over here in Western territories. Most of the attention it gained initially was because of the whole "shoot yourself in the head" thing.
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DC Murderverse posted:Definitely not the one on the PSP
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Endorph posted:for the west persona 3 was loving weird at the time. 'anime high school sim' was a way harder sell back then than when p5 came out I remember being introduced to P3 from a friend of mine after being in Germany for a few years right around its release time. The main drawing point was "Crazy JRPG with kids shooting themselves in the head to summon monsters".
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Endorph posted:for the west persona 3 was loving weird at the time. 'anime high school sim' was a way harder sell back then than when p5 came out Yeah, I remember being intrigued by the high school setting at the time but the entire reason I became aware of the game at all was various reactions to the suicide imagery
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We've come a long way so that "a teenager shoots himself in the head to summon a penis demon" is now passé. There needs to be at least 10x the absurdly realistic brainmatter and the penis monster has to be fully customizable with different styles and hats for me to even pay attention.
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Item Getter posted:Yeah I was pretty surprised to hear that quote about Atlus being on the verge of collapse since I always consider the PS2 era to be Peak SMT. I'd really like to see another Digital Devil Saga type game, just with more engaging dungeons (like P5-style). So a game with similar style/story to the DDS games, but with more meaningful content instead of just a bunch of very bare-bones dungeons. There's stuff like SMT4/5, but those games still lean more towards "raw gameplay" and aren't as narrative-driven.
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They did kind of do that with Soul Hackers 2, but that game is very forgettable.
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I like Soul Hackers 2's cast more than most SMT games. 
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I like 'em too but still haven't acquired the drive to beat the game. It feels very much like a movie that doesn't exist if you're familiar with the term.
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ImpAtom posted:Star Ocean 3 let you have different romantic paired endings! And Radiata Stories had a fireworks date with whichever girl character (out of nearly the entire game) your relationship was highest with.
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ImpAtom posted:I like Soul Hackers 2's cast more than most SMT games. I liked Ringo's "birth" at the start of the game.    
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Rinkles posted:I liked Ringo's "birth" at the start of the game. I thought it was nice and refreshing to have a robot character who was like "Hey, cool, I have a sense of self and personality, this is pretty great, emotions are awesome" rather than BEEP BOOP WHAT IS LOVE? Even if the whole 'having emotions' thing kinda blew up in their face. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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I played like 45 minutes of SH2 before I got distracted but Ringo was cool for that time, I should give it another go
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Are there any SMT-verse games that have a non-silent protagonist? And of those, are there any with more of a personality than Itsuki from TMS? I think I've come around to that being my main beef with the series casts.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Are there any SMT-verse games that have a non-silent protagonist? And of those, are there any with more of a personality than Itsuki from TMS? I think I've come around to that being my main beef with the series casts. Soul Hackers 2!
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Serph from Digital Devil Saga is technically speaking not silent!
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Narukami talks in the P4 Arena games, though he isn't really any more of a player character than any of the others in that one
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ImpAtom posted:Soul Hackers 2! To clarify, Ringo who we were just talking about is the protagonist of Soul Hackers 2, and is absolutely not silent.
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Clarste posted:To clarify, Ringo who we were just talking about is the protagonist of Soul Hackers 2, and is absolutely not silent. I thought it was really funny that she played Ringo so quickly after playing Sophia in P5S, someone at the outfit that does the translations for Atlus games was like “this lady really conveys being a chipper artificial intelligence learning what it’s like to be human”
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