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Feldegast42 posted:I'm the 1% who sides equally with both workers and employers found the radical centrist!  (j/k i know you're joking)
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SWIFTLY MOVING TOWARDS A SOLUTION WHICH PLEASES NOBODY!
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Aug 31, 2023 17:21
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I work in politics and bashing the poo poo out of corporations (especially CEOs) is wildly popular across every demographic. Its one of the reasons the GOP is in a weird bind - most traditional elected officials signed up to lower taxes and gently caress over workers - but that's incredibly unpopular among their base. So part of the pivot to other issues is because they know your normal "pro-business" message is horseshit. For more on the myth of the meritocracy in Hollywood, go read Mo Ryan's Burn It Down. Probably the best insight into how truly hosed up the industry remains.
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Aug 31, 2023 23:04
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https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1697374394933526609
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Aug 31, 2023 23:41
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https://deadline.com/2023/08/the-walking-dead-spinoffs-interview-with-the-vampire-to-resume-production-sag-aftra-deal-1235533050/ AMC has made a deal with SAG-AFTRA where Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon, Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live and Interview with the Vampire can resume filming.
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Sep 1, 2023 00:22
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Weirdly nothing about the WGA there.
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Sep 1, 2023 00:35
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I don’t get what an interim deal for a specific show would even look like. Surely they’re not gonna concede on streaming residuals or AI rights just for that show. Maybe it’s a lump-sum payment to the actors involved. But why would SAG-AFTRA be okay with it? Other striking actors must be pissed.
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Sep 1, 2023 00:47
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Vegetable posted:I don’t get what an interim deal for a specific show would even look like. Surely they’re not gonna concede on streaming residuals or AI rights just for that show. Maybe it’s a lump-sum payment to the actors involved. But why would SAG-AFTRA be okay with it? Other striking actors must be pissed. It’s not a lump-sum payment, it’s AMC agreeing to all of the guild’s terms. “The Interim Agreement is a full 70-page contract that includes the terms and conditions in the union’s last offer to the studios and streamers during negotiations. This contract is available only to independent producers looking to employ our members on specific productions, and it helps the union achieve its goals by putting pressure on the AMPTP and the struck companies while demonstrating that our proposals are reasonable.” Basically, AMC is saying “we don’t particularly care about AI and we’re happy to work out some kind of success-based streaming residuals on our tiny streaming platform”, along with agreeing to all of the union’s other demands in their last proposal. SAG-AFTRA is OK with it because it shows that even small studios are able to meet union demands without significantly hurting their bottom lines. It also opens the door for more acting jobs. Obviously the principal cast gets to resume working, but now there are a bunch of new jobs available for guest stars, one-off roles, day players, and background actors — basically the kind of “working actor” jobs that 90% of the membership thrives on.
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Sep 1, 2023 01:01
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Vegetable posted:I don’t get what an interim deal for a specific show would even look like. Surely they’re not gonna concede on streaming residuals or AI rights just for that show. Maybe it’s a lump-sum payment to the actors involved. But why would SAG-AFTRA be okay with it? Other striking actors must be pissed. I expect that on streaming residuals etc, the interim agreement has some language that says "AMC will abide by terms X, or by the terms of the eventual contract once that gets signed". Since AMC will be bound by the terms of the eventual contract but won't one of the parties at the table negotiating it, they're not really giving anything up here. ("AMC Networks is what’s known as an authorized company with regards to the AMPTP but is not among the studios involved in the negotiations.")
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Sep 1, 2023 01:12
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1697355192927203800
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Sep 1, 2023 01:18
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muscles like this! posted:https://deadline.com/2023/08/the-walking-dead-spinoffs-interview-with-the-vampire-to-resume-production-sag-aftra-deal-1235533050/ Little by little they chip away. This will be over sooner rather than later.
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Sep 1, 2023 02:09
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This lady can gently caress right off. I hope they boot her even if it's mostly performative.
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Sep 1, 2023 02:51
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lol what ghouls.
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Sep 1, 2023 02:58
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"fringe groups"
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Sep 1, 2023 03:09
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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1697635848240365977
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Sep 1, 2023 17:41
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…didn’t they just hire Molly Levinson to do crisis PR? Now they wanna spend on crisis PR for their crisis PR? These people have brainworms.
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Sep 1, 2023 17:43
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I'd be really curious to see how public opinion of the strike is over in more rural areas. I'm too close to this poo poo. I live in LA and have a variety of friends in the WGA/SAG, so everything I see on social media is intensely pro-strike, pro-solidarity, anti-studio. But like... if you asked some rando in Iowa or Alabama or Kansas what they thought of this, I wonder how things would fall. Because, generally speaking, it feels like not many people are vibing with the studios' messaging. But again, my perspective in insanely skewed.
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Sep 1, 2023 17:48
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Mordiceius posted:I'd be really curious to see how public opinion of the strike is over in more rural areas. I'm too close to this poo poo. I live in LA and have a variety of friends in the WGA/SAG, so everything I see on social media is intensely pro-strike, pro-solidarity, anti-studio. But like... if you asked some rando in Iowa or Alabama or Kansas what they thought of this, I wonder how things would fall. Because, generally speaking, it feels like not many people are vibing with the studios' messaging. But again, my perspective in insanely skewed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWWQUZrvOw&t=19s
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Sep 1, 2023 17:56
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Mordiceius posted:I'd be really curious to see how public opinion of the strike is over in more rural areas. … Nobody that hasn’t seen it seems to understand that a film set can feel like a factory floor, or fast food restaurant with no fixed schedule where you don’t know your shift until the manager calls, cranking out as much as they can get in as little time and for the least money possible. The utter insane bullshit that writers go through where e.g. finishing a feature script is only the beginning of the process is alien. Talking is good, forwarding Adam Conover stuff was great for the one person that watched it and got back to me.
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Sep 1, 2023 18:09
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now I’m no c-level with a fancy gold Rolodex but this seems like money better spent on bribes and sabotage
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Sep 1, 2023 18:10
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Mordiceius posted:I'd be really curious to see how public opinion of the strike is over in more rural areas. I'm too close to this poo poo. I live in LA and have a variety of friends in the WGA/SAG, so everything I see on social media is intensely pro-strike, pro-solidarity, anti-studio. But like... if you asked some rando in Iowa or Alabama or Kansas what they thought of this, I wonder how things would fall. Because, generally speaking, it feels like not many people are vibing with the studios' messaging. But again, my perspective in insanely skewed. I'm not sure a random person in Chicago or Boston has much of an opinion, either.
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Sep 1, 2023 18:14
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Oxxidation posted:now I’m no c-level with a fancy gold Rolodex but this seems like money better spent on bribes and sabotage
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Sep 1, 2023 18:14
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I imagine there's going to be a full court press to blame the lack of new TV on the strikers in the fall. Outside of losing late night TV most average folks haven't felt the impact of the strike yet - that's going to change very quickly.
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Sep 1, 2023 22:44
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Narcissus1916 posted:I imagine there's going to be a full court press to blame the lack of new TV on the strikers in the fall. Outside of losing late night TV most average folks haven't felt the impact of the strike yet - that's going to change very quickly. Even if the studios magically caved to all of the unions’ demands tomorrow, isn’t the damage probably already done with their future lineup?
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Sep 1, 2023 23:01
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https://twitter.com/ethangach/status/1697730523286679667
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Sep 1, 2023 23:06
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Regalingualius posted:Even if the studios magically caved to all of the unions’ demands tomorrow, isn’t the damage probably already done with their future lineup? Pretty much. All the networks' fall seasons were supposed to start in the next few weeks. NBC has a few shows already in the can (Quantum Leap, The Irrational, Magnum PI), but it's going to be an autumn of reruns and reality TV.
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Sep 1, 2023 23:16
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Timby posted:Pretty much. All the networks' fall seasons were supposed to start in the next few weeks. NBC has a few shows already in the can (Quantum Leap, The Irrational, Magnum PI), but it's going to be an autumn of reruns and reality TV. TV IV - Television Stops
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Sep 1, 2023 23:17
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A few shows that have already been on streaming for awhile are going to be on network TV like I believe Star Trek: Strange New Worlds for CBS is one, and Ms. Marvel on ABC (on two Saturdays) for another.
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Sep 2, 2023 00:04
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Mordiceius posted:I'd be really curious to see how public opinion of the strike is over in more rural areas. I'm too close to this poo poo. I live in LA and have a variety of friends in the WGA/SAG, so everything I see on social media is intensely pro-strike, pro-solidarity, anti-studio. But like... if you asked some rando in Iowa or Alabama or Kansas what they thought of this, I wonder how things would fall. Because, generally speaking, it feels like not many people are vibing with the studios' messaging. But again, my perspective in insanely skewed. It does help a bit this time, at least from the few random people I've talked to, that it's a little easier to boil down. They're making less episodes now so effectively everyone got a pay cut. Older people are very aware and usually already annoyed at having less episodes each season so it's a quick hit. They make less off of streaming while streaming (theoretically) makes a lot of money. Also they're worried about AI putting them out of work because the studios would be thrilled to churn out cheap, bad shows. It feels like the "they want to record actors and just use an AI version and never pay extras again" gets a visceral reaction too. A lot of the stuff this strike is much easier to understand even without reading about how the industry works.
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Sep 2, 2023 00:18
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"They're literally trying to replace workers with robots" hits loving everybody where they live, save, like, 1%ers.
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Sep 2, 2023 15:36
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FlamingLiberal posted:A few shows that have already been on streaming for awhile are going to be on network TV like I believe Star Trek: Strange New Worlds for CBS is one, and Ms. Marvel on ABC (on two Saturdays) for another.
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Sep 2, 2023 15:41
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Timby posted:Pretty much. All the networks' fall seasons were supposed to start in the next few weeks. NBC has a few shows already in the can (Quantum Leap, The Irrational, Magnum PI), but it's going to be an autumn of reruns and reality TV. Which is why they need to strike a deal NOW; they will need time to get everything up and running after the fall.
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Sep 2, 2023 17:25
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Cheesus posted:Putting previously streaming content on broadcast seems like a wildcard in the studios favor? To a degree but a large chunk of the potential audience has seen these shows and I'm not sure how this impacts residuals for people involved in those shows.
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Sep 2, 2023 19:01
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Gaz-L posted:To a degree but a large chunk of the potential audience has seen these shows and I'm not sure how this impacts residuals for people involved in those shows. Actual residuals I’m guessing!
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Sep 2, 2023 19:27
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I would imagine there is some clause where there are no residuals if a streaming show ends up on broadcast
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Sep 2, 2023 19:32
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Remulak posted:Actual residuals I’m guessing! Yep, the WGA contract is explicit about this. quote:(c) Use in Traditional Media Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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Sep 2, 2023 19:50
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Isn't there some exception for the first airing as 'promotion'?
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Sep 2, 2023 21:24
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Gaz-L posted:Isn't there some exception for the first airing as 'promotion'? I can't find the exact language on that in the 2020 contract, but it should be limited to 3 episodes per series, and limited to a specific timeframe (possibly they all have to air in one week?). One of the points the AMPTP and WGA have agreed to is to up that count to 4 episodes for the new contract.
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Cheesus posted:Putting previously streaming content on broadcast seems like a wildcard in the studios favor? Depends. The Ms. Marvel thing seems weird and may just legitimately be to try and get more people invested before the movie comes out. I can't imagine it will be too much of a difference for Yellowstone either, since it already ran the 1st season on broadcast before, just cable rather than CBS. It's got more buzz so it might pick up people who were interested enough to check it out but not interested enough to do a Paramount+ trial. Not sure how big that group is. Strange New Worlds seems to be the only standout, but I'm biased since it might be the only one I'd bother to watch since I don't have Paramount+ and I've been too behind to bother getting it. They did this last strike with airing premium cable on network and it didn't seem to make much of an impact from what I remember. It was nice for my teen self to watch a heavily censored version of Dexter's first season, I guess. Which is the other problem that they usually have to censor shows for broadcast. The promo run of The Good Fight back when they did it was at least funny, where they'd cut away from a sex scene and just overlay "Hey, this is too explicit for broadcast, but if you want to see it, get Paramount+." Guess it wouldn't matter for Star Trek. Not sure how much swearing there is in Yellowstone.
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