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BurritoJustice posted:The 13600K is faster than the 7800X3D in starfield, which gives the impression that it likes lots of cores. There's nowhere near 100% utilization on even one of them, on my 7800X3D - much less all of them together (which no game manages). EDIT: ↓ has a very good point. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Sep 1, 2023 |
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The PCGH test that found that uses non-overclocked memory only, and AMD CPUs scale much better with faster memory than Intel CPUs, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that until more outlets have tested CPU performance, preferably ones that actually know how to turn on XMP/EXPO. edit: That test also has the 2600X beating the 9900K, which is a result I really don't know what to make of: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Starfield-Spiel-61756/Specials/cpu-benchmark-requirements-anforderungen-1428119/ I think this might be a game that scales quite a bit with memory speed, seeing how there's a strong correlation between the stock memory speeds being tested and their placement in the rankings. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Sep 1, 2023 |
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Rinkles posted:Wonder why they didn’t go with a better CPU.
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The LMG Labs will test every single CPU ever made on every single game with every single combination of GPU and RAM
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Tuxedo Gin posted:The LMG Labs will test every single CPU ever made on every single game with every single combination of GPU and RAM I look forward to Starfield running on an 8088 with a RTX 4090 and 640k of RAM (Bill Gates was right all along!)
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Considering my laptop DTR (razer blade 15, 3080, 11800h) can do starfield pretty well at 1440p its better optimized then I thought it would be
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Tuxedo Gin posted:The LMG Labs will test every single CPU ever made on every single game with every single combination of GPU and RAM In what order? Alphabetical, chronological or… https://youtu.be/2msCS8dvSok?si=UwbHI22-dN07Zhp2
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:edit: That test also has the 2600X beating the 9900K, which is a result I really don't know what to make of: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Starfield-Spiel-61756/Specials/cpu-benchmark-requirements-anforderungen-1428119/ "waste of sand"  yes, different memory speeds, but would that make that big a difference?
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You wouldn't think the minimal IPC uplift and 4% higher clock speed would make that much of a difference either. The results are pretty weird across the board.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:You wouldn't think the minimal IPC uplift and 4% higher clock speed would make that much of a difference either. The results are pretty weird across the board. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Since there's no mention of multiple runs - no min/max/average values specified, no standard deviation, or confidence intervals - it's also entirely reasonable to assume that they just have a bad dataset from doing one run on each CPU. Or the simplest answer, previous Creation Engine Bethesda games are almost universally bottle-necked by cache size and memory latency/speed. Hence why a 13400 is crushing a 11900k because it was using ddr5 and has a larger cache. Wankie fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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Wankie posted:Or the simplest answer, previous Creation Engine Bethesda games are almost universally bottle-necked by cache size and memory latency/speed.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Is there some reputable data to support this? https://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page6.html
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It makes sense, open world games stress memory management the most and Bethesda is open world as double gently caress.
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Rinkles posted:"waste of sand" Huh. I'm still on a 9900K with a 3090.. but I am using 3200. Guess we'll find out. Been looking to upgrade but not there quite yet.
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Wankie posted:I forgot to reenable XMP after a bios update and was playing Fallout 4 and was getting just awful performance that I didn't notice in other games. Seriously Fallout 4 was like 30% slower with XMP off. Interestingly enough, it seems PBO+CO performs better than messing with BCLK.
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Arivia posted:I look forward to Starfield running on an 8088 with a RTX 4090 and 640k of RAM (Bill Gates was right all along!) https://youtu.be/c5QH38bum8I?si=cov78I1GXHJ0vNl7
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Arivia posted:It makes sense, open world games stress memory management the most and Bethesda is open world as double gently caress. Nah, a >20% drop in performance from a <10% change in memory speed doesn't make sense even if the game is entirely constrained by memory.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:You wouldn't think the minimal IPC uplift and 4% higher clock speed would make that much of a difference either. The results are pretty weird across the board. Cypress Cove is actually a pretty massive IPC uplift over Skylake, which you expect given that Skylake was a 2015 architecture that was dragged along for four generations. It was almost 20% at launch and security updates since have hit Skylake more than newer generations. 11th gen was mostly rear end because of the 10nm to 14nm backport causing issues with cooling, and the core count drop, but it's actually a decent step up clock for clock.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The PCGH test that found that uses non-overclocked memory only, and AMD CPUs scale much better with faster memory than Intel CPUs, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that until more outlets have tested CPU performance, preferably ones that actually know how to turn on XMP/EXPO. [SPECULATIVE RAMBLING] on this by Actually Hardcore Overclocking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4zRowjQjMs He thinks it's memory bandwidth related
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Arivia posted:I look forward to Starfield running on an 8088 with a RTX 4090 and 640k of RAM (Bill Gates was right all along!) it is very tempting to write an x86-64 emulator for an 8088 in response to this post
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Arivia posted:I look forward to Starfield running on an 8088 with a RTX 4090 and 640k of RAM (Bill Gates was right all along!) don't threaten me with a good time
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Kazinsal posted:it is very tempting to write an x86-64 emulator for an 8088 in response to this post do it U coward
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I thought this was an interesting video from Optimum Tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cehXZftIYok using air flow guides to gain a 10 degree drop in temps is significant, but it's so specific to the build that you probably wouldn't be able to pull it off without custom work and I guess that's why the only place I've ever see air flow guides before is in OEM builds like Dell Optiplexes: if you're churning out tens of thousands of the things then there's enough of a production run to justify it, but otherwise liquid cooling becomes the more compatible option for DIY parts
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I have to think you could do pretty well with some eyeballed 3d prints, though.
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for a german site you'd think they would be more particular about actually keeping a consistent ram configuration
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tracecomplete posted:I have to think you could do pretty well with some eyeballed 3d prints, though. i was thinking about flexible ducts, like portable A/C units have.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I thought this was an interesting video from Optimum Tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cehXZftIYok Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:yeah i see a number of problems with his setup, let's just start with how the case was beforehand and map the airflow even roughly:
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well why not posted:i was thinking about flexible ducts, like portable A/C units have. Flex ducting is a "if you have to" thing and tends to really hurt air throughput, and depending on how thick they are they tend to lose heat out of them too.
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so despite being unsubbed from Lienus, I am suddenly getting bombarded with suggested videos. And honestly, could you possibly have a less-appealing premise than "all-temu battlestation" what with how you can't go an entire video without a temu midroll?
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was there ever a resolution to the cablemod 4090 melting connector saga?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:was there ever a resolution to the cablemod 4090 melting connector saga? They gave people affected a discount on the fixed version.
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I love the idea that from now on and forever, people will automatically substitute 'Lie-nus' for the Linus in LTT. Also predict that in his usual jokey cutesy (to himself) narcissistic fashion, he will ignore the Madison issues and double down on dropping CPUs on the floor and picking them up and looking at the viewer and saying 'ah still usable'
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SwissArmyDruid posted:so despite being unsubbed from Lienus, I am suddenly getting bombarded with suggested videos. There was some weird Temu push on YouTube last week. Seems like a ton of channels ‘ordered random stuff off Temu’ and they all got top quality stuff exactly like the pictures on the site and ‘the quality is way better than Wish.com or Aliexpress’ Seems sus to me
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CBD Corndog posted:There was some weird Temu push on YouTube last week. Seems like a ton of channels ‘ordered random stuff off Temu’ and they all got top quality stuff exactly like the pictures on the site and ‘the quality is way better than Wish.com or Aliexpress’ I'd suspect everyone's orders lined up or they're all very unoriginal more than anything else. Also, in my experience, unless you're looking to buy something sketchy off Temu, what you see is what you'll get, though, like a lot of the tech YouTube videos of the past week note, don't expect intact packaging with their logistics choices. However, Temu is apparently losing money hand over fist to make the prices/quality/advertising push balance they have work, so at some point, they're either going to bump the prices up or dump the quality control or go under. It's sus, just for different reasons.
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I've never bought computer stuff from Temu and wouldn't, but their woodworking and 3d printing stuff has all been as-ordered.
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njsykora posted:They gave people affected a discount on the fixed version. voucher code covered the cost of the new one. except shipping was $11-25 lmao. e- my cable didn't melt. i got the 90 degree v1 when it first released then got an email in early august that they would cover the cost the new cable, and once you used the code they wouldn't cover the warranty for v1. so gambling a couple weeks between using the code and getting the new cable. they didn't mention any of the issues with the v1 in the email lol. Romes128 fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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tracecomplete posted:I've never bought computer stuff from Temu and wouldn't, but their woodworking and 3d printing stuff has all been as-ordered. how are temu 3D printers?
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Meanwhile, GN did me a solid when they announced their new mat. Put a hold on my existing order for the old one, let me order the new, canceled the old. Remarkably painless for a small seller.Ok Comboomer posted:how are temu 3D printers? Oh I don't mean their printers, I'm not insane, I meant supplies - screws, extrusion, nozzles, occasionally some special offer filament (mostly TPU). All fine.
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Thanks thread, I just signed up to temu and got 3 of the 5 items in my first order for free. Absolute fuckin tat that I'm sure will break or be binned after a couple of months but it's pretty impressive how insanely gamified their app is.
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