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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Is this how 12 year olds (who are otherwise cosplaying as a little Republican) decorate their backpacks typically?
:psyduck:
https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1696531277615407389?t=OO71RcWMdZy9mL47lKsSVQ&s=19


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Seems pretty obvious it was a "parent tries to victimize themselves by pretending it was all their kid's idea" and the school overreacted.

Yes, I'm sure that this was all Jaiden's idea and Jaiden demanded his mom go to the news station.

Well obviously he got the idea from the Tuttle Twins books, according to the author who posted about this incident initially.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

jrod coming up with ever mroe elaborate forms of ban evasion

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Dumb school. Probably dumb kid, but he's 12, he's allowed to have dumb opinions.

I kinda like the gadsen flag's original implication of "this snake is just mindin' his own business, but he'll bite you if you step on him [or otherwise try to screw around with him]", but I feel like the people who use the flag try to use it to have more of an aggressive meaning.

Kalli posted:

Johnny Mnemonic features a heroin addicted dolphin loaded with cyberware who cracks the password to Johnny's brain for some sweet sweet heroin.

Stop giving dolphins heroin.

https://theweek.com/articles/475731/dolphins-that-overdosed-heroin-rave

They do like drugs, but they're very irresponsible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T5aGLybXEs

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Seems pretty obvious it was a "parent tries to victimize themselves by pretending it was all their kid's idea" and the school overreacted.

Yes, I'm sure that this was all Jaiden's idea and Jaiden demanded his mom go to the news station.

Let's see them sit the family down for an interview and have the host ask the kid point-blank if it was all his idea, and see if the kid barfs all over himself like Balloon Boy did.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Nah, the school made the right call. It should be treated the same as someone wearing a swastika and saying "well actually it's a Hindu symbol of peace".

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Weatherman posted:

Let's see them sit the family down for an interview and have the host ask the kid point-blank if it was all his idea, and see if the kid barfs all over himself like Balloon Boy did.

Eh, that could just as easily lead to "WHY IS THIS CNN REPORTER BULLYING AN INNOCENT CHILD :byodood:?" I say don't even bother

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Weatherman posted:

Let's see them sit the family down for an interview and have the host ask the kid point-blank if it was all his idea, and see if the kid barfs all over himself like Balloon Boy did.

The dad in the Balloon Boy saga was actually vindicated in the end. The FBI threatened the wife with deportation if she didn't confess.
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/24/950074173/balloon-boy-parents-pardoned-by-colorado-governor-for-2009-hoax

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Panfilo posted:

The dad in the Balloon Boy saga was actually vindicated in the end. The FBI threatened the wife with deportation if she didn't confess.
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/24/950074173/balloon-boy-parents-pardoned-by-colorado-governor-for-2009-hoax

That article doesn't say he was vindicated. That was just what the husband said when asked why he pleaded guilty. The FBI never interviewed them, the prosecution was done entirely by the state of Colorado. They served time for state crimes and not federal. Nobody actually cleared them and their kid said they told him to hide in the attic.

quote:

They argue that they pleaded guilty only to avoid a worse punishment. Mayumi Heene was not a U.S. citizen at the time, and the couple said they feared she would be deported.

quote:

When asked why he was hiding, Falcon answered: "You guys said that we did this for the show."

"Man," his father chimed in. "No," his mother said.

The family — featured twice on the popular reality TV series Wife Swap — was accused of planning the stunt to garner fame.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

jrod coming up with ever mroe elaborate forms of ban evasion

I don’t know—this kid seems a lot smarter than our jrod. I did a double-take at the name though, and wondered if maybe a certain poster lied about his iq to sell to fertility clinics around 2009.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


SlothfulCobra posted:

Stop giving dolphins heroin.

how else you gonna get em to work for you?





sorry, we were just talking about science fiction stories, i couldn't resist

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Galt's Gulch.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Fister Roboto posted:

Nah, the school made the right call. It should be treated the same as someone wearing a swastika and saying "well actually it's a Hindu symbol of peace".

But the school ended up backing down so look forward to having tons of middle schoolers with Gadsten flag patches now.

Not surprising how idiotic people are in the replies. Someone points out the hypocrisy of people who think a 12 year old is too young to know they are queer yet TOTALLY KNOWS everything about the Gadsten flag. This flips over to "actually we should ban pride flags because they represent child mutilation and sterilization :psyduck: with tons of people agreeing.

So when a kid says" Don't tread on me"this is them simply being a very smart and curious child learning about American history. But when a kid says "I go by they/them" that child is being groomed by evil government agents that want to depopulate the country":psyduck:

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

Nah, the school made the right call. It should be treated the same as someone wearing a swastika and saying "well actually it's a Hindu symbol of peace".

While libertarians are bad, there is a vast gulf between the libertarian party and nazis.

Mainly the nazis are actually relevant.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1696647566828433715?t=hgzK49QjfiuaD1snr-ndDQ&s=19
I thought this incident took place in Colorado Springs? So why would a teacher have North Carolina plates?

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

They probably just moved there.

But also very cool to doxx that teacher. I'm sure they feel extremely safe right now :thumbsup:

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
We're just gonna take Benny Johnson's word that this car belongs to one of the teachers?

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

Panfilo posted:

We're just gonna take Benny Johnson's word that this car belongs to one of the teachers?

His intended audience will

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Panfilo posted:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1696647566828433715?t=hgzK49QjfiuaD1snr-ndDQ&s=19
I thought this incident took place in Colorado Springs? So why would a teacher have North Carolina plates?

Is the implication that she's from the US's other failed attempt at a third party? Is there a fierce green/libertarian rivalry?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

SlothfulCobra posted:

Is the implication that she's from the US's other failed attempt at a third party? Is there a fierce green/libertarian rivalry?

It's just lazy "the kid got in trouble for having a political message at school, but the teacher can have an environmental bumper sticker about politics and the school says that is fine? Discrimination against conservatives!"

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


SlothfulCobra posted:

While libertarians are bad, there is a vast gulf between the libertarian party and nazis.

Mainly the nazis are actually relevant.

i agree the two are different but i feel like saying more.

fascism is a strategy for fighting working class power via an alliance of regressive working and middle class people funded by the truly rich, mainly through violence and the suspension (dejure or defacto) of the liberal laws and institutions which permit the growth of that power (or at least limit attempts to strangle it even further). it's the hatchet behind emergency glass in every industrialized liberal country. but in each country and era it is used, while the axe may swing the same way, the people swinging it may use different excuses and justification for those swings. that is, the participants in the fascist movement grab whichever cockamamie "ideas" and "theories" give them any kind of appeal in the target groups of their society. nationalism AND socialism? sure!! it's like one of those crabs that glues bits of whatever it can find in its environment to its shell: each blenda in with the plants they live near, looking totally different from each other but underneath they're still the same drat crab.

(respect to umberto eco and his insight into italian and german fascist "interwar" movements, but there isn't a single set of ideas which typify all historical and existing fascist movements and certainly not all possible ones. (and actually he might even say that in Ur-Fascism, its been too long since my last re-read of it, love that guy))

so, just speaking as a random american, i see both libertarian and white supremacist ideas grabbed by different fronts of our fascist movements. i guess that's mainly what i wanted to say.

e: oh, and then of course you throw in the economic and ideological structures of settler colonialism and the venn diagram really starts to look like a circle

Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Aug 30, 2023

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


SlothfulCobra posted:

Is the implication that she's from the US's other failed attempt at a third party? Is there a fierce green/libertarian rivalry?

no, the implication is that the green new deal is slavery. i understand if you haven't heard that one before but i promise im not making it up.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Doc Hawkins posted:

no, the implication is that the green new deal is slavery. i understand if you haven't heard that one before but i promise im not making it up.

Not just slavery, but a dastardly plot by (((those people))) to depopulate the nation. You will Eat the Bugs, Live in your Pod, and Consume your Info Ration. And you will be forced to like it.

As an aside, I can't get over how quintessentialy conservative the kid's get up is. He's dressed like he's going to church yet he's carrying a backpack full of edgy political patches. It's this paradoxical need to simultaneously conform but also still be a "rebel".

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

It's "green = commie" and there isn't any more thought put into it

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Local news coverage with some extremely important context:

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/colorado-springs-mom-says-son-kicked-out-of-class-over-gadsden-flag-patch

quote:

COLORADO SPRINGS — A Colorado Springs school district is responding to a situation that quickly went viral on Tuesday. Jaiden Rodriguez, a seventh grader at The Vanguard School was removed from class, according to his mom, after administrators said several patches on his backpack were in violation of the school’s dress code policy.

The patches include the Gadsden Flag, which was designed during the American Revolutionary War and features a rattlesnake on a yellow background with the phrase “Don’t Tread On Me.”

Posts on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, went viral and included a video of a meeting with school administrators and Eden Rodriguez, the boy’s mother. Rodriguez said she shared the video to bring awareness to the issue.

The mother told News5 that her son was told he had to remove all of the patches on his backpack or not come back to class. In the recording of the conversation with school administrators, the mother and son were told, "We do not want the flag is to due to its origins with slavery and slave trade."

"Because it was racist. They didn't want racism on school campus and I told them that was very subjective," said Eden Rodriguez.

Eden Rodriguez says her son was kicked out of class at D2's Vanguard charter school due to patches on his backpack.

"I was like this is wild that this is happening, is this America," asked Rodriguez. “I do want him to stand up for his rights and (not) say ‘bow down to the government, it's been a tough call to just let him do what he wants and say he's at that age to make his own decisions."

The Vanguard School is a charter school in Colorado Springs under Harrison School District 2. While charter schools in Colorado are tuition-free and receive public funds, they have more freedom in how they teach the state-required curriculum and are allowed to create their own school policies.

Rodriguez says her son was told he was violating the school dress code policy, and he missed three days of school.

On August 29th Harrison School District Two sent this statement:

“There has been National media attention on our charter school, The Vanguard School, related to a student having the Gadsden flag on his backpack. Unfortunately, this story is incomplete. The patch in question was part of half a dozen other patches of semi-automatic weapons. The student has removed the semi-automatic patches. As a school district, we will continue to ensure all students and employees can learn and work in a safe and nurturing environment. The student returned to class without incident after removing the patches of semi-automatic weapons from the backpack. The Vanguard School and Harrison School District 2 worked in collaboration to resolve this matter.”

In a statement to students and families on Tuesday, The Vanguard School Board of Directors said:

"Dear Vanguard Families,

Last week, a student came to school with patches affixed to his backpack, with a half dozen patches depicting guns/weapons and one referencing alcohol. Upon review by the district, they pointed out that in addition to these patches the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag patch, also known as the Gadsden flag, needed to be removed in accordance with Harrison School District 2's policy. Vanguard administration consulted with District administrators, who directed the school to inform the student’s parents that the patch was not allowed at District schools. Vanguard administrators did so.

Yesterday the student returned with the patch still visible on his backpack. Following the District’s direction, Vanguard administrators pulled the student aside so that they could speak with his parents and the District.

Upon learning of these events today, The Vanguard School Board of Directors called an emergency meeting. From Vanguard’s founding, we have proudly supported our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the ordered liberty that all Americans have enjoyed for almost 250 years. The Vanguard School recognizes the historical significance of the Gadsden flag and its place in history. This incident is an occasion for us to reaffirm our deep commitment to a classical education in support of these American principles.

At this time, the Vanguard School Board and the District have informed the student’s family that he may attend school with the Gadsden flag patch visible on his backpack.

Sincerely,
The Vanguard School Board of Directors
Matt Hughes
Rene' Chatham
Tracy Coons
Eric Koppisch
Kurt Peters"

Rodriguez said she believes her son’s First Amendment Rights were violated. We spoke with an attorney who specializes in First Amendment cases.

“Students do not leave their First Amendment rights at the schoolhouse door. That's what the US Supreme Court has said. And so that's the test that must be met, it has to be a significant disruption to the educational mission of the school in order for the school to regulate the student's speech. And I'm deeply skeptical that that's true here,” Steve Zansberg said. He is not representing the family and no formal lawsuit has been filed.

Rodriguez said she is proud of her son for standing up for his beliefs.

“I'm proud that he just chose the hard route, we didn't know it would pay off we didn't know that he wouldn't get kicked out today, it was very stressful,” Rodriguez said.

Colorado Governor Jared Polis also shared remarks about the controversy today, “I think it's great when kids express themselves in different ways as long as they're not creating a disruptive environment, certainly the Gadsden flag is a great iconic American flag, other kids have LGBT flags, others have flags of major political parties", he said.

Third Congressional District Representative Lauren Boebert joined the conversation on X, sending a response that reads in part: “The Gadsden Flag has been flown since 1775 and is a symbol of the American Revolution. This is a direct attack on his freedom of speech.”

According to Britannica, the Gadsden Flag’s origins go back to 1775. It was first used by Commodore Esek Hopkins, the first U.S. Naval Commander in Chief. Britannica goes on to explain that the rattlesnake symbol was a popular symbol of unity for the American colonies during that time.

Then, around 2009, according to Britannica, some people started to associate it with racism because of its use by some members of the Tea Party Movement.

In 2014, a Black mechanic with the U.S. Postal Service filed an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission complaint over a co-worker wearing a hat with the flag’s design. The EEOC ultimately ruled that the design, although not a racist symbol is “sometimes interpreted to convey racially-tinged messages in some contexts.” Because of that ruling, according to Britannica, investigations can be launched when complaints are filed per the Civil Rights Act.

So this wasn't just about the gadsden patch, but a bunch of gun and alcohol patches too.

Also Polis is a loving coward.

SithDrummer
Jun 8, 2005
Hi Rocky!

Panfilo posted:

We're just gonna take Benny Johnson's word that this car belongs to one of the teachers?
Literally the accusation being leveled is not even "the kid's teacher" but "a teacher at the same school".

:psypop:

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Fister Roboto posted:

Local news coverage with some extremely important context:

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/colorado-springs-mom-says-son-kicked-out-of-class-over-gadsden-flag-patch

So this wasn't just about the gadsden patch, but a bunch of gun and alcohol patches too.

Also Polis is a loving coward.

I wonder what the other patches that were a violation looked like. The description is pretty vague
Just some Molon Labe type poo poo?

I knew a lot of edgy shitheads in middle school, but I never saw any of them with Gadsten Flag patches.

Jesus III
May 23, 2007
Our high school football team runs it and the Moron Lobby flag during games. The really funny thing is we used to have a cannon, but they took it away because it was too loud.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Jesus III posted:

Our high school football team runs it and the Moron Lobby flag during games. The really funny thing is we used to have a cannon, but they took it away because it was too loud.

So the flag doesn't even mean poo poo cause they already came and took it :laffo:

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

Local news coverage with some extremely important context:

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/colorado-springs-mom-says-son-kicked-out-of-class-over-gadsden-flag-patch

So this wasn't just about the gadsden patch, but a bunch of gun and alcohol patches too.

Also Polis is a loving coward.

I did zoom in on the picture of the backpack to see what the other patches were, but they were just two angels with swords, a doge, and one thing that I can't really make out. And that's half a dozen right there. Maybe there's something else on the other side of the backpack? Very weird, but doesn't really seem like much to get upset over. Some school dress codes have a thing against camo, but they don't seem to be complaining about that.

But also gently caress charter schools as well as gently caress libertarians.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
This is the most Libertarian interpretation of a change in policy you could possibly have. Fire prevention policies are good because it teaches people to be less reliant on government to put fires out. In the comments they also argue 80% of fire departments are staffed by volunteers (really? :psyduck:) which helps to sidestep the notion of "government service funded by taxes=good and effective solution"
https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/status/1697655699214348760?t=xEen0tcgPL0PsVXCLGMk4Q&s=19

Jesus III
May 23, 2007
Fire departments are actually a sign of massive public waste. We need about half the firemen we have now, but you can't fire "heros". Ninety percent of the work they do is following ambulances and blocking traffic for cops, neither of which need trained professionals and incredibly expensive vehicles. Both of those jobs are "make work" required by local governments to keep firemen from sitting on their asses all day

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Jesus III posted:

Fire departments are actually a sign of massive public waste. We need about half the firemen we have now, but you can't fire "heros". Ninety percent of the work they do is following ambulances and blocking traffic for cops, neither of which need trained professionals and incredibly expensive vehicles. Both of those jobs are "make work" required by local governments to keep firemen from sitting on their asses all day

Syq

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary
Bet that dude really hates being told he has to keep a working smoke detector in his home

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Shirtless and wearing two bandoliers, I check carefully over both shoulders before unsheathing my boot knife and cutting the tag off of my mattress.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Panfilo posted:

This is the most Libertarian interpretation of a change in policy you could possibly have. Fire prevention policies are good because it teaches people to be less reliant on government to put fires out. In the comments they also argue 80% of fire departments are staffed by volunteers (really? :psyduck:) which helps to sidestep the notion of "government service funded by taxes=good and effective solution"
https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/status/1697655699214348760?t=xEen0tcgPL0PsVXCLGMk4Q&s=19

Is this just the survivor bias plane pic but for building codes?

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

HootTheOwl posted:

Is this just the survivor bias plane pic but for building codes?

No more iconic duo than libertarians and survivorship bias

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
I'm also curious about how many fire prevention regulations were also passed since the late seventies since that would also likely have an impact on the number of fires happening as well. Things like regulations in manufacturing materials, building codes, etc. You know, the stuff libertarians hate that the government mandates for their businesses.

necrotic
Aug 2, 2005
I owe my brother big time for this!

Panfilo posted:

I'm also curious about how many fire prevention regulations were also passed since the late seventies since that would also likely have an impact on the number of fires happening as well. Things like regulations in manufacturing materials, building codes, etc. You know, the stuff libertarians hate that the government mandates for their businesses.

Even things like the safety “walls” (I don’t know what they’re called) in cigarettes so they go out every third of you aren’t keeping it alive…

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
But what if I want a ceiling fan that throws sparks constantly Brandon? And what about the poor? If manufacturers aren't allowed to make ceiling fans that catch fire then poor people might not be able to afford a ceiling fan at all! You don't care about the poor! (Ban welfare.)

Also you'll never take away my god given right to fill my house with natural gas because I forgot to check the oven.

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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Guavanaut posted:

But what if I want a ceiling fan that throws sparks constantly Brandon? And what about the poor? If manufacturers aren't allowed to make ceiling fans that catch fire then poor people might not be able to afford a ceiling fan at all! You don't care about the poor! (Ban welfare.)

Also you'll never take away my god given right to fill my house with natural gas because I forgot to check the oven.

Also, if people are surrounded by structures and appliances that are so fire resistant, they'll get complacent and never know what to do in an actual fire , leading to more deaths! Just like how seat belts kill more people than they save!

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