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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1697576315132510565 well the start of the problem is that kids aren't being taught how to read (there's also a podcast about that problem if you want something to depress you while commuting or whatever)
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Complications posted:well the start of the problem is that kids aren't being taught how to read (there's also a podcast about that problem if you want something to depress you while commuting or whatever) the massive switch to audio/video content in the u.s. makes a lot more sense when you realize half the people around you are functionally illiterate
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when I was in aircraft mechanic school years back one of our instructors decided to try to do the thing where you go around the classroom each reading a section of the reading assignment out loud, and he eventually got frustrated and stopped because a substantial portion of the class was having real serious difficulty reading the textbooks this was an adult class at a technical college where the youngest student was in his mid-20s and most of us were in our late 20s or 30s
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The most dangerous thing communists did was teaching people to read.
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Mister Bates posted:when I was in aircraft mechanic school years back one of our instructors decided to try to do the thing where you go around the classroom each reading a section of the reading assignment out loud, and he eventually got frustrated and stopped because a substantial portion of the class was having real serious difficulty reading the textbooks so...worse than a chinese 6 year old?
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1697576315132510565 Late stage empire lack of competency crisis stuff. When you aren't a meritocracy and select for traits other than intelligence its just a race downhill.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1697576315132510565 quote:For Jessica Babcock, a Temple University math professor, the magnitude of the problem hit home last year as she graded quizzes in her intermediate algebra class, the lowest option for STEM majors. The quiz, a softball at the start of the fall semester, asked students to subtract eight from negative six.
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as i recall i learned about negative numbers and how they work sometime in like sixth grade or something thereabouts
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i have vague memories of it in year 3 but I could be mistaken.
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i was gonna say that i sure as hell don't want to drive over a bridge designed by an engineer who doesn't understand negative numbers, but luckily bridge-building is lostech in america so no worries
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crepeface posted:uhh what the gently caress oh lol are you all just now finding out how bad the education system has collapsed these professors should be happy because the cohorts who missed three years of elementary/middle school are going to be even worse when they finally get passed up into colleges
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh lol are you all just now finding out how bad the education system has collapsed Who missed three years of education?
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should have said two years, but everyone in a non-rich rear end school between the 2019-2020 and 2021-2022 school years e: it’s funny that the article tries to make this a pandemic only problem instead of a problem that the pandemic threw a mountain of gasoline on and then followed up with a lit match quote:Before the pandemic, about 800 students per semester were placed into that class, the equivalent of ninth grade math. By 2021, it swelled to nearly 1,400. Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 12:01 on Sep 3, 2023 |
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I can fix western college students. I'll just make the basic undergraduate degree take 15 years and they'll learn all the K-12 stuff they weren't learning in the first place, finished up with a basic 3 year degree in classical underwater basketweaving dance theory.
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Oneiros posted:the massive switch to audio/video content in the u.s. makes a lot more sense when you realize half the people around you are functionally illiterate I habitually refer to books, and draw blank stares even for things like Robinson Crusoe or Beau Geste. It drives me a little crazy tbh.
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Frosted Flake posted:Beau Geste Never heard of that one
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genericnick posted:Never heard of that one By Wren? It's where the modern image of the Foreign Legion comes from, as well as a lot of contemporary adventure storytelling of the romance of the sands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXNdG39CLDg
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Frosted Flake posted:By Wren? It's where the modern image of the Foreign Legion comes from, as well as a lot of contemporary adventure storytelling of the romance of the sands.  Guess it didn't get that much play outside the English and or French sphere.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1697576315132510565 it's elementary -> middle school math - fractions are taught in 3rd grade and exponents in 8th grade in common core.
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The US won't even know they're losing WW3 if they can't count past two
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also says a lot about colleges themselves if they're lowering admissions standards that much just so they can extract some more wealth from tuition
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yellowcar posted:also says a lot about colleges themselves if they're lowering admissions standards that much just so they can extract some more wealth from tuition They admit based on high school grades, sports and extracurriculars, or at least RMC does. If the schools are juking the stats, there's no way to know until the illiterates are first year cadets.
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Frosted Flake posted:I habitually refer to books, and draw blank stares even for things like Robinson Crusoe or Beau Geste. It drives me a little crazy tbh. you can tell the youfs that robinson crusoe was the original minecraft survival guy.
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Frosted Flake posted:They admit based on high school grades, sports and extracurriculars, or at least RMC does. there was the SAT, terribly flawed as it was, but that got shitcanned during the pandemic
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yellowcar posted:also says a lot about colleges themselves if they're lowering admissions standards that much just so they can extract some more wealth from tuition If they don't make money, a college doesn't need to exist.
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Frosted Flake posted:They admit based on high school grades, sports and extracurriculars, or at least RMC does. Grade inflation is everywhere and it's profitable to keep even the lowest performing failures in the billable education system long as possible. Fail someone? That's lost revenue. Just pass them. Graduate them. Now it's someone else's problem.
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Frosted Flake posted:They admit based on high school grades, sports and extracurriculars, or at least RMC does. Militaries don’t need independent competent officers, McKinsey will tell what to do via a tablet app.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The US won't even know they're losing WW3 if they can't count past two
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The issue is going to be some dead man’s switch from the 70s. Also, I think the full effect of NCLB, Common Core, and COVID have all finally piled on top of each other. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 03:56 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Ardennes posted:Militaries don’t need independent competent officers, McKinsey will tell what to do via a tablet app. Battle plan via random number generator.
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Ardennes posted:The issue is going to be some dead man’s switch from the 70s. Don't worry when they try to fire the doomsday nukes by mistake all the rubber seals and stuff will have long perished, leading to catastrophic failure within the silos. All this assumes the doomsday computer relays aren't simply rusted solid.
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Ardennes posted:Militaries don’t need independent competent officers, McKinsey will tell what to do via a tablet app. I don't want to be Joe Sport, but varsity sports are mandatory at RMC. It's not at the level of Army or Navy in the States where those are NCAA D I schools, but people still wanted to get into RMC on athletics. Programs were all over the place because it was mandatory, so while Western and Queens obliterated them, free school for being in the top X% of national high school athletes isn't bad. I realize there weren't sports in the 2020-21 season but it's not just grades that were inflated. There are starters playing for the academy that don't look like they've ever seen a ball before. The other universities aren't much better. Which is neither here nor there, but people are still getting admitted on the basis of athletics so the quality of play is wild. If the same thing happened with grades and extracurriculars, kids should have just applied to the Ivies, Oxford and Cambridge.
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Frosted Flake posted:I don't want to be Joe Sport, This sentence fragment makes you sound 70 years old
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/while-under-us-sanctions-where-093000662.html While under US sanctions, where did Huawei get the advanced chips for its latest Mate 60 Pro smartphone? But mah sanctions...
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Complications posted:well the start of the problem is that kids aren't being taught how to read (there's also a podcast about that problem if you want something to depress you while commuting or whatever) the article touches on how teachers don't like teaching phonics, but doesn't mention how English has uniquely hard to teach phonics quote:Foundation literacy acquisition in European orthographies quote:Due to the complexity of English spelling and syllable structures, it simply takes longer for children to develop accurate reading of words in English than in other languages. For comparison, consider a study of European orthographies (studied languages are listed in Figure 1). While students of all languages demonstrated understanding of letter-sound correspondences (above 90% accuracy) after one year of schooling, Seymour and colleagues (2003) estimated that it takes 2.5 years longer for learners of English to master reading familiar words and simple pseudo-words than for students learning transparent and neutral languages. Indeed, at the end of grade 1, the percentage of word reading errors in European countries demonstrates the dramatic effects of language transparency/opacity: Germany (3%), Italy (5%), Spain (6%), France (28%), Denmark (29%), and England (67%). It is no wonder that much of the focus and contemporary research on dyslexia has been conducted in the U.S., Great Britain, and Denmark. The solution to teaching americans to read obviously won't be spelling reform, in part because the US has neither the state capacity nor the political stability to implement spelling reform.
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English hard teach? unpossible!
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Man is Hooked on Phonics, losttech in America too? gently caress
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Went down the Ken Goodman rabbit hole because that "dyslexia doesn't exist" quote was wild. Apparently the Monthly Review has taken a side in the new phonics wars https://monthlyreview.org/2014/09/01/the-political-economy-of-dyslexia/ quote:Corporate America got scared in the latter part of the twentieth century. As they themselves understood, they were losing hegemony in the global capitalist marketplace. (That translates into: the empire was falling apart). Recessions began to occur. Their profits were in danger. They had to act fast. They needed a plan. They went to their think tanks. The think tanks advised them to retool the U.S. labor force completely, and to use the public schools to do this. They needed a whole new generation of workers, trained to enable winnable competition in the global, high-tech, digital economy. They needed workers skilled in information processing—knowledge workers, engineers. One such skill involves reading software and hardware manuals, and composing new ones. The pro-phonics push is part of a regime change operation. I'm not sure about the whole thing but I appreciate bringing in a class analysis. The US ruling class is taking an interest in literacy education because the empire is falling apart. Goodman did draw from Chomsky though, and it would be very funny to think that destroying phonics education was part of a decades long conspiracy to destroy US imperialism. the obituary Education Week did on Goodman seemed pretty balanced. https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/kenneth-s-goodman-founding-father-of-whole-language-dead-at-92/2020/05 Atrocious Joe has issued a correction as of 06:00 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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ðə ɪŋglɪʃ læŋgwədʒ ɪz stupədli ænd hæphæzərdli spɛld aj əsum du tu drəŋkən ænd ɪnkampətənt sæksən ɔr nɔrmən məŋks ril læŋgwədʒəz ar spɛld æz rɪtən ænd ɪt ɪz tajm fɔr ɪŋglɪʃ tu dʒɔjn madərnəti
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Punished Turtle posted:ðə ɪŋglɪʃ læŋgwədʒ ɪz stupədli ænd hæphæzərdli spɛld aj əsum du tu drəŋkən ænd ɪnkampətənt sæksən ɔr nɔrmən məŋks ril læŋgwədʒəz ar spɛld æz rɪtən ænd ɪt ɪz tajm fɔr ɪŋglɪʃ tu dʒɔjn madərnəti i wouldnt blame the monks, there were hundreds of years after monks stopped being an important academic institution where it could have been reformed
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