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Well I wondered how they were going to gently caress up biovores and we have the answer. Dumb bullshit spore mine shenanigans stay in the game but you can only spawn one per turn across the entire army. I don't want to be doing that with spore mines it's dumb. Why was that a better fix than removing the shenanigans and letting me go ape poo poo with barfing up mines everywhere and using them like.....mines?
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Paragon8 posted:I'd probably try and keep it internally consistent but there's a lot of room for variety within a loose scheme. Like mixing in some purple units to complement the pink could be fun. I seem to recall this applies heavily to Napoleonic’s, where the unit colors are often described/shown are parade colors. But the kind of dyes and paints that would be used at the time would fade rapidly during a campaign, so very few armies in the field would have those same colors for long. Instead of the bright reds and indigos that are often shown, the armies would have a much more faded and my muted color, to say nothing of scavenging kit and trying to keep up supply for long campaigns. So especially for forces that work on campaigns, like chaos or crusades, feel free to have lots of variation in styles and colors
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Just got my tyranid order in, got codex, emissary, biovore x2, and deathleaper. Local store does 15% off on preorders! I originally played in 2003/4 but stopped until earlier this year when my best friend started an ork army. I've been repainting stuff very slowly, but my painting is a lot better now than it used to be. And since I got Leviathan, I've quickly amassed a considerable Space Marine army, which I went with the Dark Krakens successor chapter of the Salamanders. Here's my first complete Marine! 
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Oooo black and purple looks so good on a termie, great chapter pick
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Pretty surprising how many people here have come back from a gap since 3rd edition
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I meant to post a picture of my tyranid scheme, which is a winter theme. This is my Leviathan Screamer-Killer with a spare head from the tyrannofex cause the screamer-killer head is awful and not nearly menacing enough. 
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Al-Saqr posted:Pretty surprising how many people here have come back from a gap since 3rd edition I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people coming back were roughly highschool/early college age when 3rd edition was out and are now hitting middle age. It's also roughly in line with a typical nostalgia cycle of around 20-30 years. Kind of a perfect storm for getting back into a hobby of this kind.
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NofrikinfuN posted:I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people coming back were roughly highschool/early college age when 3rd edition was out and are now hitting middle age. It's also roughly in line with a typical nostalgia cycle of around 20-30 years. Kind of a perfect storm for getting back into a hobby of this kind. I got into it as a teen in 5th edition around 2008, took a break around early 7th and now I've been dragged back in
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For me it was something my friend group did in highschool and I grew apart from them, but now as an adult I'm much more willing to play pick up games with strangers. Also, I bet a lot of lapsed fans like me weren't entirely ignorant of the state of the game and GW, I know I'd been getting more and more likely to come back ever since plastic sisters and Kill Team 2.0 launched, you could tell the company was improving.
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I think GW did a preview of the new termagant loadout options at some point -- like, an actual pic of the back side of the new codex datasheet -- but I can't find it. Is it that out of ten termagants, one can take a shardlauncher, one can take a spike rifle, and one can take a strangleweb, for a total of three special weapons per ten 'gants, or is it one special weapon per ten 'gants and you have to choose which? (Trying to figure out whether it's practical to back-fill the missing special weapon slots in the twenty termagants from the Leviathan box with a single new box of termagants, since the box comes with one shardlauncher, one spike rifle, and one strangleweb.)
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Stephenls posted:I think GW did a preview of the new termagant loadout options at some point -- like, an actual pic of the back side of the new codex datasheet -- but I can't find it. Is it that out of ten termagants, one can take a shardlauncher, one can take a spike rifle, and one can take a strangleweb, for a total of three special weapons per ten 'gants, or is it one special weapon per ten 'gants and you have to choose which? I'm 90% sure it was one of each per 10 gaunts.
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NofrikinfuN posted:I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people coming back were roughly highschool/early college age when 3rd edition was out and are now hitting middle age. It's also roughly in line with a typical nostalgia cycle of around 20-30 years. Kind of a perfect storm for getting back into a hobby of this kind. Yeah, started playing around 96, stopped around 2005. I was in highschool at that point and had gotten my first real job. A lot of things started to compete for my money, dating and weed beat warhammer by a long shot. The pandemic combined with getting to a point in my career where I had money to spare and stability, plus nothing to go out and spend it on got me back in. I think I'm in a place where I can really truly enjoy the hobby. I do play the game, but converting and painting are just such a great way to relax in the evening.
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ro5s posted:I'm 90% sure it was one of each per 10 gaunts. I guess this'll just bother me forever then. Damnit. At least kitbashing an underslung grenade launcher on the Dark Imperium Intercessors was easy.
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Stephenls posted:I guess this'll just bother me forever then. Damnit. At least kitbashing an underslung grenade launcher on the Dark Imperium Intercessors was easy.
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NofrikinfuN posted:I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people coming back were roughly highschool/early college age when 3rd edition was out and are now hitting middle age. It's also roughly in line with a typical nostalgia cycle of around 20-30 years. Kind of a perfect storm for getting back into a hobby of this kind. Yup, I played 2nd and 3rd as a kid, made half-hearted attempts to get back in a couple different times, but have been orbiting more closely from 8th ed onward.
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It is still wild to me how many of the models you just straight up can't find anywhere right now. Is this a post-covid thing or? Seems like the last thing you'd want to do is launch a new codex and not have all the range available.
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Prefect Six posted:It is still wild to me how many of the models you just straight up can't find anywhere right now. Is this a post-covid thing or? Seems like the last thing you'd want to do is launch a new codex and not have all the range available. Pick N' Mix your reasons as being: 1. covid supply chain woes 2. GW can't forecast for poo poo 3. they'd rather under produce and avoid idle factory space or excess warehouse space holding product that doesn't sell 4. related to #2, GW doesn't know what will be powerful units so can't predict what units people will want to buy 5. lil bit of gently caress you
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6. aware of all these faults, GW overproduced leviathan and starter sets going into early 10th at the expense of basically everything else
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I genuinely wonder if overproducing leviathan paid off for them, it seems like battle report youtube channels and twitch streams are really popular now so maybe.
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Al-Saqr posted:I genuinely wonder if overproducing leviathan paid off for them, it seems like battle report youtube channels and twitch streams are really popular now so maybe. Thing is while everyone here sees GW as some sort of juggernaut corporation, and relative to other miniature companies they are, in reality they aren't that big. To put in perspective the company I work for isn't anywhere near as profitable as GW but the revenue is nearly three times GW revenue. We are a retailer that moves much higher volumes of stock. GW's HQ is an office building stapled onto the side of their factory in Nottingham, my company has a large office in one UK location and a smaller head office in London. Last year I found that about 5% of our stock every year just straight up ends up in the wrong place and no one had even realised. Our team that buys in all our products is complete shite at doing any sort of forecasting, I've not really had a proper look but I don't think they even consider stock in the business when they buy for a new season of stuff. GW stung themselves with Indomitus not because it sold out, but because they were dumb enough to insist everyone could get a copy if they wanted one. They did this when lots of people were stuck at home looking for hobbies to do. So they either had to disrupt their entire production schedule or look like complete dicks and they chose the former. I wouldn't put the overproduction of leviathan (if it even has been overproduced? Are people seeing leviathan sets everywhere unsold?) down to a deliberate choice with a lot of data behind it. I'd imagine it's a swinging of the pendulum the other way as a bit of a knee jerk reaction. The reality is as a company they have way too many SKUs for the production they can do. It's too easy for individual things to go out of stock and them not to have time to run a small batch to restock with peaks in demand because they are still relatively niche. They realise this which is why they are doing the range rotation thing and finally shipping a load of first born stuff into the sunset with legends. Then they bring out like 6 new units for the Tyranids and marines so it's two steps forward one step back lol
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Kitchner posted:I wouldn't put the overproduction of leviathan (if it even has been overproduced? Are people seeing leviathan sets everywhere unsold?) down to a deliberate choice with a lot of data behind it. I'd imagine it's a swinging of the pendulum the other way as a bit of a knee jerk reaction. this is a good post overall but yeah, you can still find leviathan on shelves some places. I don't think it was overproduced, though, just actually nicely matched to demand in a way that 90% of their line never is
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After the Leviathan launch happened, GW released a bunch of extra stock to 3rd party retailers. That's probably from customers ordering a copy direct with GW as insurance, then cancelling the order once they secured a discounted one elsewhere. Something I noticed (at least in the UK) is that many of the retailers like Wayland and Dark Sphere have now sold through all of their extra copies. The exceptions I found are Element Games (who still list 10+ copies of Leviathan at full price rather than their usual 15-20% discount), and my local hobby store who never updates their website has around 4-5 boxes left on shelves. I'm sure there's still plenty of Leviathan stock around but it's mostly going to be in smaller shops with less online presence.
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Bandai has been having similar issues with its gundams, its a tricky logistics challenge to continually produce new product and also service an extensive back catalogue as well especially when you're running your factories 24/7 and probably have a 2-3 year pipeline of kits ready to go. LEGO is probably the other comparable toy company and they cycle sets out pretty aggressively and they have the benefit of parts being able to be used across sets. It definitely feels like they got leviathan mostly right even if they lost out on sales of other boxes that had limited production runs like the kill team stuff. The other big problem is just the high pressure FOMO that you *have* to buy release weekend. Like the tantrums people threw with the Lion release and now you can just get one off the shelf no problem at all. GW could have certainly communicated about shortages better and the Cursed City and Indomitus issues really burned a lot of customers. Its never a great feeling to want to buy something and it not being available but generally it will come back in stock.
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There was one release a while back that was also a print-on-demand type thing. They basically gave a two week window where anyone who wanted the thing would get it. (I think it was the cursed city reprint?) So they know it's a problem and they have a solution that works for the customers, but for some (presumably internal) reason they've only ever done it once.
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moths posted:So they know it's a problem and they have a solution that works for the customers, but for some (presumably internal) reason they've only ever done it once. The reason for that is fairly obvious - they have a surprisingly small amount of machines (iirc it was like 8?). These machines are cranking out sprues all day every day. Switching them from one sprue to another takes a significant amount of time. The production schedule for these machines is worked out months in advance. If they do a print on demand thing, they can't plan around it. They don't know how much they'll get in advance. And if it's a snap decision like with Indomitus, it means that the rest of the production schedule gets all hosed up. It is really hard for them to react to surprising demand peaks. For instance, every Arbites box in existance was probably pressed all in one go like two years ago. There was one machine cranking out Arbites sprues for a couple of weeks, and then those sprues were packed into boxes. Someone had figured that a cute little Kill Team of space cops would sell X amount of units, and they produced those in advance. Then whoops the 10th ed writers accidentally made Aribtes a super good unit for half the armies in the game and demand skyrockets. But there are still only these X amount of boxes in circulation. And they can't make more without either loving the rest of their schedule up for months (which they won't) or finding time for X more Arbites boxes like, six months down the line.
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Finishing up the Ork Combat Patrol and wondering what's the best Deff Dread loadout these days? 1 Skorcha + 3 Klaws? Bear in mind I don't actually care what the Combat Patrol loadout says it has.
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Geisladisk posted:The reason for that is fairly obvious - they have a surprisingly small amount of machines (iirc it was like 8?). These machines are cranking out sprues all day every day. Switching them from one sprue to another takes a significant amount of time. The production schedule for these machines is worked out months in advance. Yeah this is 100% what is happening. They are still a niche company so in the grand scheme of things the numbers produced are low enough that you can't balance it out over time. Likewise they weirdly have a product where the demand will be largely the same in every market. The Arbites are good in every country in the world. You may only have 250,000 customers in market A and 1m in market B, but you send 4 times more to market B. These "spikes" where something is, let's say, five times more popular than anticipated happens world wide all at the same time. The replenishment will be planned, but if they thought the stock would last 6 months and it lasted 1 month, well there's not much you can do unless you disrupt your entire manufacturing schedule for the sake of one meta unit which may not be meta in 3 months time.
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Did they even release any new Marine units this run? For Marines the closest we get are jump intercessors, and with Assaults officially sunset they're basically a full replacement for that branch. Even with Tyranids, we got 3 actual new units and 2 share a box. Compare this to the post-Indomitus launch wave and its clear they're focusing on refreshing instead of adding for these larger factions.
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I think the release wave for the codex is Terminator Captain Terminator Chaplain Terminator Multipart Sternguard Multipart Command Squad Jump Intercessors Jump Captain Scouts Infernus is probably the most recent fully new unit and they didn't get a multipart kit. Just the push fit but there are a few unique ones in the paint sets and free store mini. Desolators and the CCW dread were a bit of a weird release a few months prior to Leviathan.
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Kitchner posted:The reality is as a company they have way too many SKUs for the production they can do. It's too easy for individual things to go out of stock and them not to have time to run a small batch to restock with peaks in demand because they are still relatively niche. They realise this which is why they are doing the range rotation thing and finally shipping a load of first born stuff into the sunset with legends. I work for a company very similar in size to GW and their production issues are absolutely mindboggling to me. We offer way more SKUs than them, requiring much longer cycle times with peaky demands that can be hard to predict, and yet we are never out of stock for our customers. We do try to maintain high levels of inventory because thats what you have to do for the customer. I think GW is just bad at the production side of things. We have our own molding floor and invested in an in-house mold shop which is the likely difference. And GW should really do the same -- you bring the profits inhouse and you short the mold lead times from a year to 2-3 months (time is money), plus can be much more responsive. Their sprues are smaller than ours so it can definitely be done.
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The Bee posted:Did they even release any new Marine units this run? For Marines the closest we get are jump intercessors, and with Assaults officially sunset they're basically a full replacement for that branch. I think even GW realises at this point that there are so many Marine units that trying to come up with something new will just add something that another unit already does. OctaMurk posted:We have our own molding floor and invested in an in-house mold shop which is the likely difference. And GW should really do the same -- you bring the profits inhouse and you short the mold lead times from a year to 2-3 months (time is money), plus can be much more responsive. Their sprues are smaller than ours so it can definitely be done. As I recall the biggest issue they're facing is infrastructure. They probably want to expand but also want to keep a tight grip on their things, but the issue is that Nottingham has issues supporting any expansions. I believe they've run into that issue in the past and it's still probably a huge issue.
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Oh no, Marines don't get anything with their...200+ datasheets. What an absolute shame. I think even with the new ones, Tyranids are still sub-50.
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My first reaction when I saw the new Marine codex in last weeks reveal was that it looked about as thick as the core rulebook. 
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Geisladisk posted:The reason for that is fairly obvious - they have a surprisingly small amount of machines (iirc it was like 8?). These machines are cranking out sprues all day every day. Switching them from one sprue to another takes a significant amount of time. The production schedule for these machines is worked out months in advance. OctaMurk posted:I work for a company very similar in size to GW and their production issues are absolutely mindboggling to me. We offer way more SKUs than them, requiring much longer cycle times with peaky demands that can be hard to predict, and yet we are never out of stock for our customers. We do try to maintain high levels of inventory because thats what you have to do for the customer. I think GW is just bad at the production side of things. With Brexit there is probably a limited time before GW is the majority of British manufacturing.
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I await the day when GW turns Nottingham into the UK's first corporate town.
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I ain't saying its a bad thing. Just that it isn't one step forward, two steps back when they're actually holding themselves to not going crazy with new datasheets. Indomitus and post-Indomitus went way crazier for Marines and even Necrons compared to the more sensible Leviathan releases.
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OctaMurk posted:I work for a company very similar in size to GW and their production issues are absolutely mindboggling to me. We offer way more SKUs than them, requiring much longer cycle times with peaky demands that can be hard to predict, and yet we are never out of stock for our customers. We do try to maintain high levels of inventory because thats what you have to do for the customer. I think GW is just bad at the production side of things. To be fair don't rule out you may just work for an exceptionally competent company. Cooked Auto posted:I await the day when GW turns Nottingham into the UK's first corporate town. To be fair we sort of already have a bunch of those. My business is sort of based in one. Sometimes people (both UK and non-UK) forget that you have London with a population of 10m, then we have like 3 cities with a population of around 2m, 3 cities with a 1m population then it starts dropping off real fast. If you are a big company and you have your office somewhere small, it seems like half the place works for you and everyone knows everyone else. When o worked for Vodafone if you went to the Newbury campus, home of the original company and the UK base (the group HQ was London) there was a big billboard as the train pulls up saying "Welcome to Newbury, home of Vodafone!" and all the taxi drivers know exactly where to take you and there's a shuttle bus to and from the train station.
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