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Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012


lol drat looks like you guys dodged a bullet with these clowns

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Dirac Fourier
Aug 14, 2023
So my brother and I live alone in a C4. Last night, we saw some dudes warping into the middle of the sun in their C3. It was like a deep space inside the sun. My brother used combat probes to get a warp in, but it only bounced him off of the sun. They had several characters in hecates chilling in there. Never seen that poo poo before. I guess it's an exploit?

40 lbs to freedom
Apr 13, 2007


reddit is like candyman except instead of a murder ghost its A bunch of racist guys and instead of saying candyman three times in the mirror u just have to barely mention china once

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Dirac Fourier posted:

So my brother and I live alone in a C4. Last night, we saw some dudes warping into the middle of the sun in their C3. It was like a deep space inside the sun. My brother used combat probes to get a warp in, but it only bounced him off of the sun. They had several characters in hecates chilling in there. Never seen that poo poo before. I guess it's an exploit?

You can generate one of those spots by bookmarking a structure that later disappears (the bookmark position gets changed to 0,0 basically), as we discovered by accident once. It should be ejecting them out as well, but it may not if they fleet warped to someone who already got ejected out and stopped since fleet warp mechanics are a little different. I'm just theorizing on the last bit because we tried a few things and petitioned to verify we were not hitting an exploit of any kind but nothing seemed as usable as what you described (and I don't recall trying a fleet warp).

0km around a sun on the overview is an absurd amount of actual space, it might just be that your brother got unlucky with his warp in and they were like right on the edge of collision.

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

40 lbs to freedom posted:

reddit is like candyman except instead of a murder ghost its A bunch of racist guys and instead of saying candyman three times in the mirror u just have to barely mention china once

r/eve users not constantly poo poo on russian and chinese players challenge (impossible)

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

Fiacre posted:

I am so glad most of you have gone back to your normal posting selves.

I was mostly mad that the thread had been closed as it robbed everyone of the dramaposts and entertainment that all of the bittervets that don't play eve still come to this thread for. So here we go, lets see if I can add to it. At the top here I am going to say how wrong I was about Siobhan. She was hyperaggro in the sex pest threadnought, but when the shoe was on the other foot she did not hesitate to just admit fault and step down. loving props. You are awesome and I am sad that you have been driven from the game. I hope you do come back someday.

Ok now to the part that will be quoted and hopefully provide the drama. Many of you, FNLN included, quickly went back to the same bad habits that let a pedophile and misogynist fester in goonfleet for years. Of course video game crimes are not real and have nothing to do with the actual crimes of sexual harassment and child pornography. Conflating those are just a lazy posting trick and are about as bad faith as you can get. Don't do that please. What is actually concerning is how quickly people started to actually earnestly defend botting and/or RMT because it was "their side" under attack. Goons especially tend to get tribal as gently caress when their posting friends come under attack. It is actually ironic that FNLN did it here because he and Cryo are basically the whole reason the beekeepers were established to oversee leadership and keep them from sweeping problems under the rug. So, the only thing that sexual harassment in goonfleet and botting in goosfleet have in common are that leadership turned a blind eye to activities they knew were wrong. That is the ONLY thing I meant when I responded to FNLN. I am sure folks like deadtear could blow you hair back with stories of things that have been swept under the rug that we will never hear about. Hell, the stories about digi doxxing people and russians cutting the power to houses to kill titans are bad enough, and those were made public. It makes me sad that my space tribe has been a party to driving vulnerable people from the game because they were not supported when they should have been. It may be slippery slope nonsense, but I am afraid that there is not as much distance as we would like from turning a blind eye to botting and turning a blind eye to real misbehavior from people we interact with in video games and forums. Please tell me why I am a loving idiot below thanks.


✓i didn't defend elusif's behavior or deny anything. i said that I, personally, as a person who wasn't ever in any of the leadership, and only active ingame through trading and on discord sometimes, didn't see any mention of elusif or anyone else botting, I was confirming what siobh had mentioned, that he was doing legit stuff that was making a lot of money, which made me assume that he was just playing the game this time & had a bigass skillfarm. i didn't know the entire intel thing it looks like it came about around right when my house was filled with yellowjackets and i haven't been active much since then bc irl

✓ what's up with the contrast between the two bolded sections lol. i seriously don't get what you're going for with this

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

reddit dudes love making poo poo up out of whole cloth to get mad about

Dalmuti
Apr 8, 2007
everyone all the time is like "deltaman bad, deltaman bad" and frankly im sick of it

Cast_No_Shadow
Jun 8, 2010

The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

Everyone is always asking about bad deltaman, no one is asking about how is deltaman.

So I will,

Hey deltamans, how are you doing? I hope you're ok.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Dalmuti posted:

everyone all the time is like "deltaman bad, deltaman bad" and frankly im sick of it

D-name posters concerned about d-name squads? Who would have guessed. :ssj:

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


lmao we stopped caring about Omist like a month ago except "ger your stuff out"

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

FirstnameLastname posted:

✓i didn't defend elusif's behavior or deny anything. i said that I, personally, as a person who wasn't ever in any of the leadership, and only active ingame through trading and on discord sometimes, didn't see any mention of elusif or anyone else botting, I was confirming what siobh had mentioned, that he was doing legit stuff that was making a lot of money, which made me assume that he was just playing the game this time & had a bigass skillfarm. i didn't know the entire intel thing it looks like it came about around right when my house was filled with yellowjackets and i haven't been active much since then bc irl

No, you said rmt which I don't think anyone posted evidence of elusif doing, this time. Here:

FirstnameLastname posted:

lol what is your deal
so far i have seen zero evidence of any rmt happening in gooseflock

gsf however is full of RMT tho, if you put up a market thread of a bunch of any asset easily convertible to liquid, people will PM rmt offers. e v e r y time. since 2005. there's bot intel networks. there's botters in delve, pb, querious. people don't report it.
it's very obvious & you should document and bust it if this really matters to you

That's fine. nbd, but then you went into whataboutism nonsense with your evidence consisting of people buying things in 2005. It is a posting tactic that goes something like:

*gets accused of x*

Our group has never done y

In fact I have seen the other group doing y all the time

I just don't get why your weigh in this time consisted of defending the goose and attacking goonswarm when there have been pages of accountability and accountability is what led to the great goose-goon schism. Without you and cryo posting the amber herd and other vile poo poo chatlogs, mittani might still be running goonswarm. FNLN always gets his so like accountability is your thing?

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✓ what's up with the contrast between the two bolded sections lol. i seriously don't get what you're going for with this

Turning a blind eye is the important part. Leadership in alliances have to operate with compartmentalization of video game information so the space enemies don't get intelligence they can use to win fights. That means only a select few people are privy to sensitive information which could consist of video game stuff but it also sometimes is accusations of misbehavior. Compartmentalization allows for things that might be embarrassing to be handled with no weigh in from anyone but the select few that get to make all the decisions. This leads to even good people making bad decisions:

dragonshardz posted:

and then we suddenly got successful by accident, but having not looked gift horses in the mouth before...we kept not asking.

Siobhan clarified this a bit in another post, but it still shows that while gooseswarm leadership can make mistakes, there is some real accountability. So why am I still making posts about this? Correct me if I am wrong anyone, but the info on xenuria came out 10+ years ago. The conclusion at the time was that they couldn't prove it was him that made the CSA posts in question so they... stopped asking. There is no comparison whatsoever between misogyny/pedophilia and video game stuff. But the mechanisms of keeping any of it a secret are the same.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
mittani pinged out the info about the pest to all of gsf. he knew about it. he gloated about it. then he decided to go from "hey this guy is a sexpest" to "hey i'm going to use this sexpest to pest other people because i am very smart and then ignore if anyone brings it up and protect my special boy"

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Nothing in goose was "kept secret" lmao, also I love this thing where you say "they're not comparable and it's wrong to compare them, now let me directly equate them"

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

ded posted:

mittani pinged out the info about the pest to all of gsf. he knew about it. he gloated about it. then he decided to go from "hey this guy is a sexpest" to "hey i'm going to use this sexpest to pest other people because i am very smart and then ignore if anyone brings it up and protect my special boy"

Not the sexpest stuff. There were accusations of xenuria posting child porn under another name on some forum. No one could confirm it was him until he finally admitted in 10 years later.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

hailthefish posted:

Nothing in goose was "kept secret" lmao, also I love this thing where you say "they're not comparable and it's wrong to compare them, now let me directly equate them"

This is really loving stupid stop it

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


there is a big difference between "person was accused of bad thing we stopped chasing details about" and "we didn't know person did a bad thing because we didn't know and had no credible basis to expect it"

there's a bit of "oops we failed to due diligence here" but whatever, y'know? like everything seemed fine to us to begin with despite elusif's personal history, and "i don't bot anymore" is a lot less sus than "i don't gently caress with CSAM anymore"

trying to say the two situations are similar is completely ignoring the details to prove a point. they are only similar at the broadest possible level of "leadership made a mistake"; as soon as you zoom in beyond that they quickly lose any semblance of similarity.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Fiacre posted:

This is really loving stupid stop it

no

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.

Hi Cryo here

Keep my name out of your mouth, I do not respect you

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.
You’re still trying to make comparisons between harbouring a pedo and RMT btw

Please gently caress off

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Fiacre posted:

Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?

so wait are we supposed to go through everyone's connected accounts searching everything they ever wrote with a multidisciplinary committee of experts to attempt to detect anything that might smell of violating the eula of anything anywhere or that might otherwise be used to make us look dumb later, or not?

im so confused.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Fiacre posted:

Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?

can't you just do that and post anything funny

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.

Fiacre posted:

Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?


I’m mostly over participating in your public humiliation kink

Seek it on Reddit you bad faith dipshit

Solus fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Sep 4, 2023

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Fiacre posted:

Not the sexpest stuff. There were accusations of xenuria posting child porn under another name on some forum. No one could confirm it was him until he finally admitted in 10 years later.

Xenuria was blacklisted from loving TEST for soliciting child porn on their services. You would think that EVE's greatest spymaster would have found out about this. Or they knew about it and did not loving care because they saw an opportunity to metagame their enemies. Shut the everliving gently caress up

Dr. Kayak Paddle
May 10, 2006

The best advice these guys were never given: If you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.

They’re just absolutely blind

:justpost:

Dr. Kayak Paddle fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Sep 4, 2023

lovely tuna snatch
Feb 10, 2010

sure am glad this intel rmt botting thing has brought so many reddit pubbies out of the woodwork in this thread as they are now permabanned, most notably

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Solus posted:

You’re still trying to make comparisons between harbouring a pedo and RMT btw

Please gently caress off

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

Fiacre posted:

Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?

Im gunna report u for ban evading on reddit

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

Fiacre posted:

Not the sexpest stuff. There were accusations of xenuria posting child porn under another name on some forum. No one could confirm it was him until he finally admitted in 10 years later.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/vyyvar/xenuria_and_the_bullshit_gsf_is_trying_to_peddle/


Solus posted:

Keep my name out of your mouth, I do not respect you

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grumplestiltzkin
Jun 7, 2012

Ass, gas, or grass. No one rides for free.

Fiacre posted:

Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?

please keep trying to post through this lmao:munch:

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Fiacre posted:

This is really loving stupid stop it

If you don’t want people to call out the dumb thing you’re obviously doing then just stop doing it??

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
I want to thank whomever gave me this glorious avatar but I feel something this good is wasted on me.

grumplestiltzkin posted:

please keep trying to post through this lmao:munch:

Don’t you worry.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

What happened to the groomswarm website? It had all of this info well documented.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Fiacre posted:

This is really loving stupid stop it

In what way is it improper to characterize your post as a comparison of denying years of sex pest evidence to someone denying they knew a former member was a botter? Please, if you feel that someone else is putting words in your mouth when claiming that you said "no you can't compare them" right before comparing them, the report button is right there. Justice is just a few clicks away, if you genuinely think this way and aren't just trying to deflect stupidly.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Fiacre posted:

What happened to the groomswarm website? It had all of this info well documented.

Are you trying to start out on the case that The Mittani somehow resigned over a casual misinterpretation of the timeline and evidence?

Do you really want to go here, unbury the three threads sunk by the weight of the Groomswarm sins and relitigate one of the most high-profile player scandals seen so far, with all the dimensions along which sexism, misogyny, racism, and honest-to-god Actually Pedophilic Grooming became knowingly sheltered and downplayed quantities within Goonswarm?

You think you can survive this fight, where this community bodied GSF and The Mittani so hard on this that he became a manosphere furniture salesman?

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Sep 4, 2023

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Every once in a while, someone shares a screenshot to me of some poor bastard soul like Brisc Rubal responding to Goose and Delta things post-Groomswarm with "gently caress them all forever" or "gently caress them with rake." They have been seething, absolutely powerless to find a moral handhold to rise anywhere close to high enough to punch back.

I have bad news: if GSF wants to criticize others about the presence of botting in their ranks, insinuating bot beneficiary infrastructure and wallets needs to be deleted, they can start by draining and deleting every drat citadel, hangar, and corp wallet they have.

Optical Ilyushin
May 3, 2022
What is so special about a toilet eve thread that another idiot would oust themselves literally every two pages:allears::allears::allears:

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Lol I forget - did Eve for Pooping die eventually, or is that community just drama free?

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hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

toilet eve still has like five people playing

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