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Frosted Flake posted:I think he looks good, and headline aside, he supports class first leftism throughout and points to idpol emerging after Occupy as weakening the left. It's just that the only people who will give you a platform to talk about that are the right.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The literary episodes are some of my favorites, so it's great to hear them take another dive into PK Dick. Do you recall the episode #s for the other literary episodes? Only one I saw was the fascism in sci-fi one.
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err posted:Do you recall the episode #s for the other literary episodes? Only one I saw was the fascism in sci-fi one. I think the patreon still has their episode list tagged as a top post, if you want to peruse through that.
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err posted:Do you recall the episode #s for the other literary episodes? Only one I saw was the fascism in sci-fi one. 165 is about Gene Wolfe and Jack Vance, who every RNW listener should be like John Dolan and read the hell out of.
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my bony fealty posted:165 is about Gene Wolfe and Jack Vance, who every RNW listener should be like John Dolan and read the hell out of. 9 21 34 51 64 89 94 107 119 129 145 160 Are others
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Jack Vance’s Dying Earth series is top tier fiction. knowing that everything Vance wrote is really about the Bay Area helped me digest the Hell out of it. Cugel the Clever is one of the best conman stories of all time, and it never lowers itself into pretending that Cugel is a good guy.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Jack Vance’s Dying Earth series is top tier fiction. knowing that everything Vance wrote is really about the Bay Area helped me digest the Hell out of it. Cugel the Clever is one of the best conman stories of all time, and it never lowers itself into pretending that Cugel is a good guy. Vance is the funniest author I've ever read and the Cugel stories are the funniest. A brilliant wit. Dolan says over and over that Vance lacks pathos, which is generally true for much of his work, but he was capable of it - Lyonesse is a tragic fantasy up there with Lord of the Rings in quality. My all time favorite Vance story is The Moon Moth. Everything brilliant about him summed up in a perfect story.
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Ash Crimson posted:*Guile voice* CHRONIC GOON
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I read Book of the New Sun based of Dolan’s praise of it. it’s good but I feel like I need to read it again. and buy the special dictionary they made to go with it.
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The new episode is really great, but if they keep sourcing stories from fans then the War Nerd Curse is going to start ruining more careers.
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i need to sign up for the fb group so i can rain down polemics upon mine enemies
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enjoying this story about totally legit election observation
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my bony fealty posted:9 Appreciate it. Liked the PKD episode and actually went out and bought Ubik from my used bookstore after hearing it.
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I really appreciate how much evil "political scientists" are getting up to in third world elections.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it's no wonder, it's a right-wing concept this is not accurate, i think. to my knowledge, the first case where the doctrine of "identity politics" is formulated properly is in the combahee river collective statement (https://americanstudies.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Keyword%20Coalition_Readings.pdf) which is absolutely not a right-wing text in the way "right-wing text" is normally understood. the idea is that: quote:We believe that the most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of our own identity, as opposed to working to end somebody else's oppression. In the case of Black women this is a particularly repugnant, dangerous, threatening, and therefore revolutionary concept because it is obvious from looking at all the political movements that have preceded us that anyone is more worthy of liberation than ourselves quote:(...)to look more deeply into our own experiences and, from that sharing and growing consciousness, to build a politics that will change our lives and inevitably end our oppression this takes a standpoint theoretical approach; those who experience oppression, have some level of epistemic privilege regarding that oppression. the origin of solidarity is shared experience of oppression, rather than some posited objective shared interest stemming from one's place in the political economy. this is a qualitative break with the traditional marxian way of seeing things. it's not that anti-racism or feminism etc are incompatible with marxism; the early bolshevik policies on the national question and women's issues are clear indications of this. however, once you start down the road of basing your politics in experiental categories, you're in a fundamental conflict with at least marxism and its descendant strains of left-wing thought, and this really does bear discussing i do not, however, think that the falun gong is particularly likely to offer interesting or useful perspectives in this debate
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:like... do you really believe the right having on people to talk about "idpol" dividing the left are trying to... help the left? at all? you're an unbelievable chump Do you think the idpol dividing the left and not being able to even talk about it helps the left?
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V. Illych L. posted:the origin of solidarity is shared experience of oppression, rather than some posited objective shared interest stemming from one's place in the political economy. It seems like capitalists don't need to have shared subjective experiences in order have solidarity amongst themselves against everyone beneath them, and to collaborate to keep wages and taxes low. Their 'posited objective shared interests' seem to be enough for them to do this. I find it difficult to imagine shared experiences of oppression countering this unless they *also* posit shared objective interests. Rich white feminists decided that it was cool to 'lean in' to capitalism after they started becoming lawyers, politicians and CEOs. They chose their 'objective shared interests' with rich men over the experiences that they shared with poorer women. Seems like solidarity based on shared experiences of oppression will end if material conditions no longer support it.
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Corsec posted:It seems like capitalists don't need to have shared subjective experiences in order have solidarity amongst themselves against everyone beneath them, and to collaborate to keep wages and taxes low. Their 'posited objective shared interests' seem to be enough for them to do this. I find it difficult to imagine shared experiences of oppression countering this unless they *also* posit shared objective interests. right, the problem with this is that you lose a lot of the useful disciplining etiquette if you start talking hard interest politics. inevitably you're going to at least countenance some quite unpalatable conclusions about e.g. immigration policy, and if you cannot tie the objective interests to some greater project it quickly becomes very narrow and vulgar. the big innovation of marxism is to identify the proletarian interest as fundamentally revolutionary and thus representing the general interests of humanity, giving a political project as well as a rough strategy to this interest. however, this project has serious problems with disciplining its elites, and the movement often ends up either coopted or crazy. the identitarian politics of the day identify [oppressed group] as a general agent for change, but as you note this is a very dynamic tendency whose radicalism tends to be channeled to very different ends (abolition of gender and categories being the most visible atm). the big-big thing is that it's very straightforward for middle-class comfortable types to engage in this sort of politics without ever feeling really queasy about it, since you have a decent answer for just about everything. a marxist typically has to be a bit desperate; a dedicated "ally" really does not.
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V. Illych L. posted:however, this project has serious problems with disciplining its elites, and the movement often ends up either coopted or crazy. Yes, identity politics seems to provide a pipeline for would-be radicals to be co-opted into a useful get-out-the-vote place in the electoral machinery for the staus quo parties. It's very easy to co-opt people if it is framed as an advancement for the sake of whatever oppressed group they are a member of. There's nothing within identity politics that lends itself to expect more from people than dealing with their own issues, it's cool for the CIA officer to drone-bomb people now because getting hired to the job is a victory for, like, hispanic neurodivergent enbies or whatever (like that CIA recruitment ad). It's capitalism circularly legitimizing itself, because by appealing to the need to overcome it's cruelty and oppression it justifies collaborating with it. V. Illych L. posted:the big-big thing is that it's very straightforward for middle-class comfortable types to engage in this sort of politics without ever feeling really queasy about it, since you have a decent answer for just about everything. I'm skeptical of white middle-class people supporting and championing other people's identity politics, in particular, because they didn't just recently discover that prejudice existed, they actually knew about it the whole time and often practiced it, they mostly just didn't give a gently caress. I think identity politics has such support among liberal middle-class whites now because it is one of the few ways to engage in political criticism in a way that the system would actually respond to. Calling out greed does nothing, but calling out prejudice does *something* at least, even if only in tokenism and gestures, it can be leveraged politically when other aspects of the modern left cannot.
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Old man kissing and fondling ali bongo
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Corsec posted:Yes, identity politics seems to provide a pipeline for would-be radicals to be co-opted into a useful get-out-the-vote place in the electoral machinery for the staus quo parties. It's very easy to co-opt people if it is framed as an advancement for the sake of whatever oppressed group they are a member of. There's nothing within identity politics that lends itself to expect more from people than dealing with their own issues, it's cool for the CIA officer to drone-bomb people now because getting hired to the job is a victory for, like, hispanic neurodivergent enbies or whatever (like that CIA recruitment ad). to be clear i'm not suggesting that identity politics in and of itself is the motive for coopting "objectivist" left-wing elites, though it can certainly have that effect, but you can also see co-optation in practice in e.g. the post-war european social-democratic movements; when you have an elite (which you really do need to be an effective social movement), you need some way to keep that elite in line. this is an enormously difficult problem, because the other side has prestige and money to spare, as well as all kinds of plausible stories as for why this was necessary. the middle classes support a political project which can be effectively expressed as enforcing certain standards of behaviour and etiquette. conforming to this standards makes them less racist by definition, since the racism exists in the experience of oppression of the racialised minorities; since that is what racism is, it can be addressed on the personal level through etiquette or on the structural level through policy. since such policy is very difficult to formulate and enforce, the etiquette tends to get a lot of attention. middle-class people love etiquette.
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The RWN Naipaul episode was great, it got me actually reading his books. I wish they sent out a generic "this is what we are reading" newsletter or did more episodes where they talk about authors/books.
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I’m still mad that they never talked about Guns of the South on the sci fi & fascism episode.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I’m still mad that they never talked about Guns of the South on the sci fi & fascism episode. They really should just do a second interview with that guy or someone else. They got through a lot of authors already in that one episode and it seems like it's a popular episode.
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What Jon forgot to note about the Man in the High Castle example, is that the most interesting thing about the replica broker is that he's still racist. He both resents the Japanese and fetishizes them despite himself. The book isn't even really about Japanese rule, it's about Americans and how they'd react to being submitted to the same colonial forces that they've subjected other people to. The quest for the Man in the High Castle is also ultimately meaningless. He doesn't have any unique insight into the universe or a direct contact with an alternate reality, the book was a creative exercise for a well off guy who is safe in the Rocky Mountain neutral zone. The plot of an alternate reality where the Allies won the war was determined from random chance through the I Ching. It was obvious that the tv show was going to be a disaster because no mass market American media is capable of evaluating Americans through that kind of critical lens.
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I wish they had gone into more detail on Counter-Clock World. It was my first PKD novel because it was on sale on a subway book stall. It's such an interesting and bizarre setting in which you soend half the time baffled at the silly stuff ("So now people really shove food up their butts and it comes out their mouths. South Park stole from this.") and amazed at the implications ("Cemeteries are the new maternity wards. In a few decades a poo poo-ton of geriatric nazis are going to spring back up. Every assassinated leader will get a second chance".) And of course, compared to that, the protagonist's journey is almost a bit of desperate nonsense riding the back of a chais dragon.
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Lol at the Atlantic Council being set up by Apartheit money
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genericnick posted:Lol at the Atlantic Council being set up by Apartheit money The whole episode comes to a screeching halt because it's too interesting of a factoid. The fact it was rogue elements of the government who did it makes it even funnier.
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Speaking of the reading episodes, has anyone created a reading list of all the books they've talked about throughout the show? I vaguely remember someone (maybe itt) wanting to do something like that?
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Speaking of the reading episodes, has anyone created a reading list of all the books they've talked about throughout the show? I vaguely remember someone (maybe itt) wanting to do something like that? https://www.goodreads.com/group/bookshelf/200372-war-nerd-reading-list No idea how complete that is, just the first result on google.
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i am still way way behind on episodes and so just got to the soccer hooligan one. always nice to hear from aamer, hes a great guest
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Corsec posted:Yes, identity politics seems to provide a pipeline for would-be radicals to be co-opted into a useful get-out-the-vote place in the electoral machinery for the staus quo parties. It's very easy to co-opt people if it is framed as an advancement for the sake of whatever oppressed group they are a member of. There's nothing within identity politics that lends itself to expect more from people than dealing with their own issues, it's cool for the CIA officer to drone-bomb people now because getting hired to the job is a victory for, like, hispanic neurodivergent enbies or whatever (like that CIA recruitment ad).
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crepeface posted:the Gabon election observer stories were great it's such a nice little distillation of the entire imperial network. Ames did make a good point about how the deep dive, off the road micro stuff can really help to contrast the broader trends you might miss from just going headline to headline
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The RWN Naipaul episode was great, it got me actually reading his books. Wait, they had an episode on Naipaul? The Trinidadian guy? What #? also how often are newsletters i signed up to the patreon a few months ago and only got one email - with the podcast rss link
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wolfs posted:Wait, they had an episode on Naipaul? The Trinidadian guy? What #? Looks like episode #145. It makes sense they would do an ep on him. A Bend in the River is a very RWN novel.
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ames and dolan are longtime fans of naipaul, heres something from 2011: https://exiledonline.com/why-the-american-right-never-liked-v-s-naipaul/
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wolfs posted:Wait, they had an episode on Naipaul? The Trinidadian guy? What #? the newsletters come out semi-regularly. there was a new one about assassinations on the 13th. I asked them before if they were going to collect the newsletter in an archive for new subscribers, and Mark told me they were thinking about it but that was years ago. if you have the rss feed then you ought to be getting the newsletters. that’s usually how the rss gets distributed in the first place. try checking your spam folder for war nerd.
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