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The only reason I didn't like the checkpoints is because I don't like restarting something I failed at from full resources instead of where I was actually at but they also explicitly give you those resources beforehand so it doesn't matter at all
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RBA Starblade posted:The only reason I didn't like the checkpoints is because I don't like restarting something I failed at from full resources instead of where I was actually at but they also explicitly give you those resources beforehand so it doesn't matter at all I'm fine with them gating no checkpoint restarts behind S rank. Its them saying you can do it but not forcing you
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some of these guys in the arena are real serious https://i.imgur.com/JGoe2N6.mp4
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Eej posted:NG++: I mean the Dosers plan to huff the dust and sell the rest it's not like they're actually noble. They're just less poo poo because they're fighting for their home. The only actual faction that recognizes Coral sentience and right to exist as a species is Allmind and her only mistake was thinking she couldn't fully trust you to go with her plan and turning on you. Like, Allmind could've had her happy ending if she did Literally Nothing at the end. Reddit, the site famous for having subs devoted to sexual assualt, has bad opinions about genocide? Who could have predicted this? Waffle Shake posted:I think I'm inclined to agree that there were a few too many boss encounters in the game. Actually it would be fine if there were more bread and butter levels involved to spread things out, but Fromsoft seemed reluctant to include any missions that weren't plot critical in some way. I actually would have liked more "filler" missions to just run around goofing around with my latest build -- and From could have used it as an excuse to spread around more obnoxiously hidden battle logs! As someone who really, really detests obnoxiously hidden collectibles: No. Exploration can be fun, but my hot take is that it doesn't work so great in mission-based game structures, because the game is communicating to me that I should be attempting to traverse from point A to point B quickly and accomplish the objective, not go and see if any of these pipes are actually pathable. Contrast with 'open world' games where the structure of the game itself is telling you to be creative with your pathing and go take a look at the odd geography you noticed on your map. Brian Worms posted:I think “it sucks that the game is trying to force me to play a fun build” might be one of my favorite criticisms ever. Another Hot take: I don't find being pigeonholed into any build fun. Fortunately most builds are viable, if not optimal, or I'd actually be the one screeching about this rather than just looking down my nose hipsterishly every time someone posts about Zimmermans or Songbirds.
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A jargogle posted:- Of which far too much is "open field full of trash MTs, go blow up x targets which fall over the from one salvo, and scarcely fight back just like the MTs". No gimmicks, no traversal, no time pressure, nothing. There's a bunch of these in NG++ quote:- The degree to which AC vs AC combat revolves around circle strafing around your opponent using QB to dodge any big hits, then absolutely bursting the hell out of people in stagger. Chipping them down is just not a worthwhile option. Trying to stay at your optimal range vs them is not really a dynamic that plays out when the only good options to reliably hit the enemy are close range. Trying to break lockons by going over the top of them is pretty much pointless because of the turn rate. Pretty much every AI AC plays the same way, which makes the arena tedious. You haven't unlocked long range FCS and done a missile spam build. quote:- I think I understand the problem you talk about with the state machine for animations though I'm not particularly familiar with the term. Why does firing shoulder guns just cause me to hover for 2s when I have no energy? Why can I hover forever by smashing assault boost - kick on a loop? You hover in place when firing heavy weapons for balance reasons. The disadvantage of both bipeds is that you lose all motion when shooting heavy weapons. If you just dropped out of the sky while shooting then 1. your FCS has to compensate for your vertical movement and your target's movement and 2. you can basically bunny hop your stun needles in and out of cover which is the opposite of a drawback. You hover forever with kick because they want you to have a cool dash kick feeling. The game is directed by Masaru Yamamura who was the lead game designer for Sekiro it's not an oversight that you have so many movement options.
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As for the checkpointing and irrelevance of trash mobs in this, I don't have a problem with either even though I understand the logic of the complaint. It seems like that complaint comes from a place of wanting the game to be as difficult as possible, and I think the various bosses of the game provide plenty of challenge on the first time through, to the point where making the rest of the game harder would cause the majority of players - who enjoy challenge - to bounce off the game completely. After beating something like Balteus, I enjoyed having a few missions of relative downtime to simply feel powerful and effective while trying out some new gear, while the game does some light storytelling and I prepare myself for the next big challenge a few missions later. Having to quit out of the mission and redo it if you need a break from the boss or want to try buying/grinding for new parts is punishment enough. I don't think I'd have the endurance to be dealing with 50 replays for every single mission. My period of interest in a game is finite, and repeating long sections wears it down pretty quickly. I think that's most people, they were right not to cater to the 3% or whatever of players who are looking for the most punishing experience possible. roomtone fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Eej posted:There's a bunch of these in NG++ Can't speak to NG++ because got bored about 1/3 through NG+. I have run missile spam a bit but frankly I wasn't sure if: - People were just bad - It's actually unavoidable Because it seemed that rather than chip people down it pretty much oneshot them. Which also wasn't much fun, because there was still no back and forth and movement battle over optimal ranges. As for physics continuing to apply when you are firing a back weapon - If you can use cover situationally to mitigate a weakness... doesn't that just add depth to the game? I hardly see it being insanely OP, especially with how dodgeable such weapons are at range, and how punishable firing them raw is up close. A jargogle fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Moving while shooting your heavy weapons is pure advantage. Just because bipeds wouldn't be able to control their movement in this theoretical setup doesn't mean it's worse than standing still in the air as a bazooka flies into your face. If you can poptart like in Mechwarrior with stun needles that is pure upside. The depth to the game regarding heavy weapons is that you have to use either a quad leg and hover (sitting duck) or use tank treads (crawling duck).
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i simply do not understand this game's mechanics at all i do not understand how to fight balteus at all dodging is impossible hanging out above him is impossible
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Sep 4, 2023 21:05
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You hover in place because anime. It would be rude if your stance in the air was broken because of energy limits.
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Captain Foo posted:i simply do not understand this game's mechanics at all try shooting him ??
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i had a thought about the name of the "bad ending" If the bad ending is the "Fires of Raven" does that mean Ibis was responsible for the last burning?
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OctaMurk posted:try shooting him ?? yeah i've been doing this
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the good or bad news depending on your perspective is that balteus is probably the hardest boss in the game, you can start breaking the game over your knee not long after
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I know tank legs aren’t really the best leg category at all but I do love that you can loving drift with them like 621 isekai’d to Rubicon out of Initial D.
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i do think that this game could have used more filler missions that weren't boss ones, especially before and when the PCA suppression fleet shows up.Thumbtacks posted:i had a thought about the name of the "bad ending" If the bad ending is the "Fires of Raven" does that mean Ibis was responsible for the last burning? yes, they lit the coral on fire themselves using ibis. afaik there have been no non man made coral disasters lol
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Thumbtacks posted:i had a thought about the name of the "bad ending" If the bad ending is the "Fires of Raven" does that mean Ibis was responsible for the last burning? The Ibis series is the name for the mechs they created to contain Coral in the event of catastrophe so I think you are meant to infer that one of the Ibis mechs/protocols was to set that poo poo on fire before it breaches containment and gets into the galaxy.
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Energy weapons really aren't that weak. Try quad laser or quad plasma with a suitable generator. You don't need to stagger because you deal insane damage regardless, and fire fast enough the AI can only dodge a fraction of it.
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Captain Foo posted:i simply do not understand this game's mechanics at all Your build can make dodging extremely difficult if it’s overweight or doesn’t have enough quickboost movement - I was having an insanely bad time against Balteus until I swapped to a booster that actually got me out of the way of its attacks
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Anyone have any streams or video of high level PvP?
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Finally got (ch1 ng+) Volta and Iguazu down on the dam mission. Went for an all missle build and just stayed tf away from them. The tetrapod really helped against Volta. Ran out of ammo completely, but Volta was nearly dead, so I just punched him to death 
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Bobcats posted:Anyone have any streams or video of high level PvP? I haven't watched it but I'm familiar with him and this guy is pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjPpkpmEQo Cleric, not Oro, although he's also pretty good. apparently this is not from his POV which is unfortunate Thumbtacks fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Sindai posted:Energy weapons really aren't that weak. Try quad laser or quad plasma with a suitable generator. You don't need to stagger because you deal insane damage regardless, and fire fast enough the AI can only dodge a fraction of it. Wish the laser shotgun had more ammo. The fist energy shotgun that turns into a melee weapon when charged is pretty fun in PvE but not practical on some fights. Still seems like a great shotgun in its own right though. I've since switched to double missile pods + assault rifle + melee for my most recent playthrough as a change of pace and am surprised how easy going it is. Feels like you can overcome a lot with knowledge and player skill. Rascyc fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Captain Foo posted:i simply do not understand this game's mechanics at all Balteus is a big roadblock, but feels good to finally get down. I went in with a pulse rifle, the starter blade, and two plasma missile launchers on my back. I’m sure there’s way better setups. Mid-range FCS, bipedal setup although I had pretty decent luck with the initial reverse-joint legs before that and a lighter build. At mid-range the pulse rifle and plasma pods do a lot of work on his shield, when it goes down ideally your pulse rifle should be reloading and you can go in with the blade to chop big chunks of its AP off before unloading with the rifle and missiles again. I got to the point I could reliably take him down to 50% and initiate phase 2 in a single dropped shield. Dodging is a case of knowing how to deal with each configuration of missiles as they come— usually I had good luck just getting in the air and then boosting towards it to avoid most of it and only take chip damage. The big dangers are the big single bazooka blasts in phase 1, which you need to listen for the indicator warning and red square on your HUD then get in the air and evade sideways from, and the flamethrower in phase 2 which for me was a bit of luck and positioning. If you’re far enough away you can get it to initiate the attack and fly over it, closer and I had good results dashing under the arm it was swinging with. Aim for getting under its armpit. Like many From games I found that dodging and getting hit anyway meant I was just dodging too early for that particular attack.
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Bussamove posted:I got to the point I could reliably take him down to 50% and initiate phase 2 in a single dropped shield. 
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The true ending is the one that makes you the most money It's what you're there for after all 
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i just gave up for now after successfully kicking balteus in the face and then getting blown out of the sky by looping missiles before my sword could come out
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Was the final S-rank arena match supposed to be the easiest match of like the last 15 combatants? The other S-rank ones I ended with 1 HP (from the emergency shield) and no heals. The final one took like 10 seconds and I didn't take hardly any damage.
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The Arena fights are super easy and shouldn't take you know than one or two tries by the time you unlock them.
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Volte posted:Was the final S-rank arena match supposed to be the easiest match of like the last 15 combatants? The other S-rank ones I ended with 1 HP (from the emergency shield) and no heals. The final one took like 10 seconds and I didn't take hardly any damage. EDIT: Just gonna go ahead and remove this. 2MB fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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2MB posted:It's a toned down version of the boss version of Arye. My interpretation of it is that it's their first time piloting an AC for the NG++ timeline so they're not as strong as their full "I will die for my people" energy. The ending dialogue to the arena fight makes me think it's just a friendly spar. S-rank is the ones before you get to the hidden arena fights 
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Volte posted:Was the final S-rank arena match supposed to be the easiest match of like the last 15 combatants? The other S-rank ones I ended with 1 HP (from the emergency shield) and no heals. The final one took like 10 seconds and I didn't take hardly any damage. freud’s gimmick is that he’s unaugmented and piloting a pretty basic mech but is supposed to have crazy good piloting skills But as far as I can tell his AI isn’t special and doesn’t cheat so you’re left with a normal AC to destroy lmao
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Captain Foo posted:i just gave up for now after successfully kicking balteus in the face and then getting blown out of the sky by looping missiles before my sword could come out I shadowplayed a starter build double bubblegun Balteus kill for a friend of mine, if you'd like something lower than perfect 20 second pile bunker kills. Behold me missing every assault kick and kinda doing nothing with this shotgun I brought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umAYl6v0heM Things to note are the constant approaching and circling: you're often much safer near the boss, especially for the missile swarm. Stick close to his butt when the sword comes out. The fact he staggers when the shield comes down is an advantage, try to pop it when you're positioned to do real DPS.
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raverrn posted:Things to note are the constant approaching and circling: you're often much safer near the boss Relevant advice for every boss in the game (except da worm I guess)
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Kerrzhe posted:S-rank is the ones before you get to the hidden arena fights My coral addled brain is still stuck in NG++, lets just edit my quote out. <_<
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Volte posted:Was the final S-rank arena match supposed to be the easiest match of like the last 15 combatants? The other S-rank ones I ended with 1 HP (from the emergency shield) and no heals. The final one took like 10 seconds and I didn't take hardly any damage. As you already noticed. Those arena rematches are easy because the enemy can't spam heals unless you combo them to their death hard enough. Throw in the fact you fight them in the box arena so they can't run away beyond effective range as often. Turns out the only casuals are the enemies. Because hey look what happens when nobody is allowed to heal, you crushed them like nothing. EDIT: Oh, you mean the normal arena. Well, the above applies to the bonus arena matches as well. Section Z fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Gonna bring my hot take that game good. I'd very much like something like Gundam in this style of game, it'd feel fantastic
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Finished NG++ and been toodling around with finding missing combat logs/parts alongside gauging how difficult getting S rank on missions is. My overall impression is favorable, though I've not touched an AC game since... three? I do not have a recent memory for clear comparison. It "feels" good to play for me, especially the "zippier" configurations. It does feel like AC6 leaves a ton of wiggle room in how hard/engaging you want your play to be, with some configurations ripping the difficulty of the game in half. I'm generally stubborn and did not deviate away from my first AC design unless forced to, usually only tweaking, and found that it maintained the difficulty for some of the first playthrough encounters. By the time I began NG++ and had played around with different configurations, my final AC was lazily shredding through the content all the way through. A little disappointing, but I am hoping S ranking the later missions will make me bang into a few walls. I'd love to see a mod or added difficulty level that removed the resupply sherpas and checkpoints, forcing willing lunatics to consider another layer of efficiency to get through a mission.So far it appears most missions can be S ranked with a reasonably optimized AC and execution, with missions involving a boss being way more lenient than I first expected. Too bad there really isn't much of a reward for S ranks beyond a spurt of sweet, sweet dopamine and related achievement.
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