|
Truga posted:not that english is the only language that does this, but yeah i'd not be at all surprised if you told me half the words in the english language are "imported" this conversation reminds me of the piece “Uncelftish Beholding” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncleftish_Beholding https://www.ling.upenn.edu/~beatrice/110/docs/uncleftish_beholding.html quote:For most of its being, mankind did not know what things are made of, but could only guess. With the growth of worldken, we began to learn, and today we have a beholding of stuff and work that watching bears out, both in the workstead and in daily life.
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 17:56 |
|
|
# ? May 28, 2024 11:39 |
|
Oneiros posted:i was actually wondering how well syllabic languages do against pronunciation changes like the english vowel drift They definitely drift. I'm more of an interested observer than an expert on Chinese, but in it there have been several cycles of educational crisis caused by phonetic change: most characters were originally single-syllable self-evident category + reading compounds, but between the Three Kingdoms and North and South this had evolved to needing dictionaries which provided an initial rhyme + final rhyme (ie, "sword" = "sort" + "board"); by the Song and extending through the collapse of the Qing this had evolved to a series of very detailed analyses recompiled as drift continued; and both the ROC and PRC eventually abandoned these concepts altogether for education in favor of respectively a bespoke educational script and a new educational Romanization each based off a standardized-modernized Beijing accent. As for Trimson Grondag 3 posted:loving different counters for different objects in japanese etc. , though, counter words are fine, everyone will get what you mean if you want 10個 of something that's technically a 札 or 本, the actual fuckery of Japanese is this, it's that you have to have Frosted Flake posted:English spelling is much easier if you know if a word originated in Old English, French, Latin or Greek. Usually that’s enough to figure out the word, it’s cases and whatever else. this sense except it's for native, 5th-century predominantly Shanghainese, 8th-century typically Zhongyuan some call it Mandarin some call it Jin, and 10th-and-on mostly Beijing Mandarin. Since the conception is syllable-based but the writing is primarily concept-based, you just get to see 東 east and decide based on the age and register of the vocab it's in whether it's the old Japanese flat word for east azuma drifted from aduma, the old Japanese poetic word for east higashi drifted from pimugasi, tsuu derived from older middle Chinese tuwng, tou derived from newer dōng, or ton probably derived from Shanghainese 1ton. That said, the phonetic shifts are strongly universalized; ie old Japanese purely-phonetic-symbol ヒ pi→middle Japanese ヒ fi→modern Japanese ヒ hi, all words using this phoneme dating back to old Japanese are now pronounced with a hi except where it interacts with other linguistic reforms (and where those reforms happened the "spelling" was changed to reflect as well), as are all words dating back to middle Japanese, even though one of them is コーヒー (middle kohfii, modern kohhii, "coffee"). ピ (note the diacritic) is a slightly later addition to represent pi seen as a distinct phoneme, showing up in some very early Buddhist terms. /e/, script え/ blockprint ヱ, and /je/, 𛀁/エ, merged completely during the shift to modern (recently enough that we have "yen" in English!) to the point where the modern written language has /e/ え/エ; /je/ exists now in the standard language solely as a pretentious way to pronounce loanwords which have it, complete with clunky glyph combos, and as an unmarked stylistic tic in some varieties of song. E: pimugasi to higashi has its own weird exception of the mu being dropped; there appear to have been separate hypercorrections in both earlier and later middle Japanese, the first bringing it to fingashi based on a conflation of mu with Chinese -n/-m before -n was formally considered a valid modifier to the previous syllable, and the second removing -n because it wasn't a valid syllable in that etymology. Mandoric has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Sep 4, 2023 |
# ? Sep 4, 2023 18:07 |
Drake no: Nazis Drake yes: grammar Nazis This is, somehow, worse than a food or anime derail
|
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 18:25 |
|
palindrome posted:Kids' can't learning to read good? No check it out, the children that can successfully learn to read and speak English correctly will simply assume their rightful place in the social hierarchy. Surely you've heard of the opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose order of grammar? Well if you don't know that intuitively, I'm afraid you're not invited to the six figure pizza party. I’ve encountered my first use of people writing ChatGPT code into production without trying to check whether it makes any sense
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 18:30 |
|
Mandoric posted:They definitely drift. I'm more of an interested observer than an expert on Chinese, but in it there have been several cycles of educational crisis caused by phonetic change: most characters were originally single-syllable self-evident category + reading compounds, but between the Three Kingdoms and North and South this had evolved to needing dictionaries which provided an initial rhyme + final rhyme (ie, "sword" = "sort" + "board"); by the Song and extending through the collapse of the Qing this had evolved to a series of very detailed analyses recompiled as drift continued; and both the ROC and PRC eventually abandoned these concepts altogether for education in favor of respectively a bespoke educational script and a new educational Romanization each based off a standardized-modernized Beijing accent.
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 18:57 |
|
Japanese isn't even in the Sino Tibetan language family. They should have abandoned the Chinese character kanjis a long time ago. Like around that time when that Japanese warlord tried to invade China via the Korean peninsula.
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 19:27 |
|
mah hold out hope fa da pidgin inglish ta become da nu standad abba spelin dis imperial tongue. wih time, wallah
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 20:18 |
|
I have a copy of Tolkien's Old English Reader, and I think that's a pleasant and pastoral way forward as we enter degrowth and the end of industrial civilization.
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 21:12 |
|
Frosted Flake posted:I have a copy of Tolkien's Old English Reader, and I think that's a pleasant and pastoral way forward as we enter degrowth and the end of industrial civilization. i am going to hunt down every single copy of that, book of eli style once we enter coolzone, muthafugga
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 21:15 |
|
stephenthinkpad posted:Japanese isn't even in the Sino Tibetan language family. They should have abandoned the Chinese character kanjis a long time ago. i think everyone should adopt kanji
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 22:21 |
|
peetermite posted:i am going to hunt down every single copy of that, book of eli style once we enter coolzone, muthafugga As you burn the last copy and slump down in the shattered ruins of a dead city inhabited only by ghosts for your final rest at long last you hear a single pair of boots crunch gravel and broken glass as they get closer. Looking up you see a man in an immaculate 3 piece double breasted suit and a bowler hat. In his hand he brandishes a copy of "how language works" by David Crystal, published by penguin books. Your arms are too weak to raise your shotgun loaded with nails and ball bearings. As your vision fades for the last time the stranger's final words haunt you. "Let's talk about sentence construction."
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 23:30 |
|
DancingShade posted:As you burn the last copy and slump down in the shattered ruins of a dead city inhabited only by ghosts for your final rest at long last you hear a single pair of boots crunch gravel and broken glass as they get closer. Looking up you see a man in an immaculate 3 piece double breasted suit and a bowler hat. In his hand he brandishes a copy of "how language works" by David Crystal, published by penguin books. Your arms are too weak to raise your shotgun loaded with nails and ball bearings. As your vision fades for the last time the stranger's final words haunt you. "Let's talk about sentence construction." lol
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 23:37 |
|
DancingShade posted:As you burn the last copy and slump down in the shattered ruins of a dead city inhabited only by ghosts for your final rest at long last you hear a single pair of boots crunch gravel and broken glass as they get closer. Looking up you see a man in an immaculate 3 piece double breasted suit and a bowler hat. In his hand he brandishes a copy of "how language works" by David Crystal, published by penguin books. Your arms are too weak to raise your shotgun loaded with nails and ball bearings. As your vision fades for the last time the stranger's final words haunt you. "Let's talk about sentence construction." lmfao
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 23:42 |
|
with my final breath i curse "denazalisation.... will be your doom"
|
# ? Sep 4, 2023 23:47 |
|
RIP USS Enterprise Turns out you didn't need Troi to run it into the ground, you just need decades of neoliberalism
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 13:41 |
|
quote:USS Enterprise's name will live on: the third Ford-class aicraft carrier (CVN-80) will also be named USS Enterprise lol
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 13:48 |
|
It's supposed to be in operation by 2028. I expect it to sink to the bottom of the ocean before then.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 13:52 |
|
mycomancy posted:RIP USS Enterprise I knew it was old but 56(!) years in service before decommissioning some years ago is a longer service life than I thought.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 13:55 |
|
well obviously they had to get rid of it. ain't no way you can grift properly if ships last for 50+ years
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 14:01 |
|
Dawncloack posted:That happens a lot. Think of horses: Colt, mustang, foal, mare, and how many more? Doesn't Spanish have "potro" for "foal" and "yegua" for "mare"? Mustang is a weird one because it refers to a specific population of feral horses so idk if it would be better to just use "mustang", but it's derived from the Spanish "mesteño" or "mesteñgo", which can mean feral, so I imagine it would be commonly used. Colt is a very specific one for horse perverts only and I bet there's similar Spanish jargon words to describe things that Spanish horse nutters consider important.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 14:17 |
|
mycomancy posted:RIP USS Enterprise "The other two alternatives in the Navy's environmental planning process would have seen Enterprise dismantled at the Bremerton public shipyard. These options would have cost the taxpayer about twice as much, according to the Navy, and would take about 10 years longer. Doing the work at Bremerton would also tie up the shipyard's staff and facilities with a legacy disposal project when they already have a full workload with submarine and carrier maintenance (and decommissioning older subs). " They always say this, and in my experience, it's never actually true. Unless it would cost more and take longer because public capabilities were deliberately stripped by being mothballed, more often privatized, in which case they can point to the cost of rebuilding the capacity, which in turn allows them to accelerate the ever increasing cycle.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 14:35 |
|
Truga posted:not that english is the only language that does this, but yeah i'd not be at all surprised if you told me half the words in the english language are "imported" It's even more than 50%, a third of English words come from French alone.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 14:53 |
|
https://twitter.com/jesuslasupajew/status/1699447469510177209
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 16:44 |
|
Weka posted:Doesn't Spanish have "potro" for "foal" and "yegua" for "mare"? Mustang is a weird one because it refers to a specific population of feral horses so idk if it would be better to just use "mustang", but it's derived from the Spanish "mesteño" or "mesteñgo", which can mean feral, so I imagine it would be commonly used. Colt is a very specific one for horse perverts only and I bet there's similar Spanish jargon words to describe things that Spanish horse nutters consider important. SO, FIRST, gently caress YOU AND ALSO J/k, of course. Yeah you are right on those, I know nothing about horses other than them being tasty and that they die if they think of ants. I was just trying to illustrate what I believe (without proof) is a trend. Tbh, it was received knowledge when I studied linguistics, but actually I don't know.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 17:01 |
|
I thought this was vaporware bullshit but a pretty big Chinese think tank is talking about it, so I will just leave it here. https://twitter.com/nextbigfuture/status/1696045973456450034?t=jKBLsGRPimcb0A1ljHKFVg&s=19
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 18:13 |
|
unless the torpedo keeps moving at that speed once it leaves the tube i dont get the point
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 18:20 |
Raskolnikov38 posted:unless the torpedo keeps moving at that speed once it leaves the tube i dont get the point if it's moving at 435 mph instantaneously plus the 50 mph or whatever from the pump jet there would be less time for an enemy ship to react compared to a conventional torpedo accelerating to cruising speed. there's probably enough drawbacks for using it that it's dumb, though. i guess it would be good for a close range surprise attack
|
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 18:32 |
|
i don't know if the combination is feasible, but if the chinese have figured out how to make supercavitating torpedoes and can use those in their coil gun you'd get the torpedo up to cruising speed immediately, which seems like it could have its advantages
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 18:55 |
My rule of thumb is that if Russia can do a thing, china can definitely do it or at least will be able to very shortly Russia has super cavitating torpedoes afaik
|
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 18:58 |
|
i assumed it was to shoot the torpedo through the sky to get closer to the enemy ship, like this rocket assisted torpedo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUR-5_ASROC
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 19:01 |
|
Slavvy posted:My rule of thumb is that if Russia can do a thing, china can definitely do it or at least will be able to very shortly They're rated as an extremely potent threat, Shkval.
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 20:35 |
|
Torpedoes? Send more carriers!
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 20:58 |
|
stephenthinkpad posted:Japanese isn't even in the Sino Tibetan language family. They should have abandoned the Chinese character kanjis a long time ago. 1936 seems a little late to do that
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 21:50 |
|
gradenko_2000 posted:what the gently caress so they deliberately made it worse??? lol it works for everything
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 21:52 |
|
gradenko_2000 posted:what the gently caress so they deliberately made it worse??? anglosphere dot t x t
|
# ? Sep 6, 2023 22:15 |
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-plans-vast-ai-fleet-to-counter-china-threat-4186a186 the Pentagon plans on spending "hundreds of millions of dollars" to create a RoboMilitary by September 2025 quote:thousands of air-, land- and sea-based artificial-intelligence systems that are intended to be “small, smart, cheap.” quote:Autonomous “systems are things we might use for three to five years, before we move on to the next thing—as we must, given the dynamic, fast moving adversary and the pace of innovation,” Hick said. :doomed:
|
|
# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:20 |
|
We have a dynamic and fast moving adversary, so therefore we must spend a bunch of money on dumb poo poo that doesn't even loving work.
|
# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:27 |
|
fighting in ways that we know would work is impossible now, therefore we must try ways that we don't know for sure won't
|
# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:37 |
cat botherer posted:We have a dynamic and fast moving adversary, so therefore we must spend a bunch of money on dumb poo poo that doesn't even loving work. a lot of these weapons are cheap and disposable. who's the target then? a boat of 13 migrants in the mediterranean? innocent fishingpeople? a fully autonomous military would cost any nation Trillions with China being the closest but not that close 9123 has issued a correction as of 03:54 on Sep 7, 2023 |
|
# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:52 |
|
|
# ? May 28, 2024 11:39 |
|
9123 posted:
Terminator only failed in not realising 90% of computer poo poo is snake oil.
|
# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:53 |