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my dad posted:Sheng Seleris, the setting is Glorantha Reminds me of Dagoth Ur a lil SardonicTyrant posted:The character you are describing is a common archetype in works influenced by buddhist thought, like K6BD, so that doesn't narrow things down per se. But if you could offer some more details I can at least make an educated guess. There's also the peaceful / wrathful / mixed bodhisattvas & deities &c, yeah
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SardonicTyrant posted:The character you are describing is a common archetype in works influenced by buddhist thought  ignorance is bliss
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Staltran posted:I'm... not sure that's quite the intended message. Some people are just gonna be sword poisoned. If you're patient, can withstand their violence, and don't care about collateral damage you can wait for them to violence themselves into the afterlife on their own, but sometimes you need to save the rat *right now* and I haven't seen anything in the comic to suggest that anything is going to save that rat other than violence or the threat thereof. Guildenstern Mother fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Sep 5, 2023 |
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Some people are just gonna be sword poisoned. If you're patient, can withstand their violence, and don't care about collateral damage you can wait for them to violence themselves into the afterlife on their own, but sometimes you need to save the rat *right now* and I haven't seen anything in the comic to suggest that anything is going to save that rat other than violence or the threat thereof. Violence is unavoidable
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Sep 5, 2023 17:41
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Violence is a tool and should be treated as such. Sometimes it is right tool. Sometimes it is not.
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Sep 5, 2023 17:59
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violence breeds violence but in the end it has to be this way
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:violence breeds violence Keys of Kings, son!
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Sep 5, 2023 18:32
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Violence seldom solves any problem for long and seldom solves any problem well but violence always solves it.
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Sep 5, 2023 18:45
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Mr. Lobe posted:Violence is unavoidable A Very Wise Frog
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Sep 5, 2023 18:56
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"Stop Punching Yourself" is a valuable kids game about the lessons involving the tools of violence.
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maswastaken posted:Violence seldom solves any problem for long and seldom solves any problem well but violence always solves it. What if im just out of toilet paper?
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Sure you can attempt to address the underlying factors that affect the development of bullying behavior in modern society, and thus have to graple with poverty, racism, classism, and regular meaness. But the kid getting bullied needs a fix *now* and there is only one fix. Save The Rat.
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Sep 5, 2023 19:02
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Calling the Teacher/Principle/Cop is just invoking the violence of the State, which is the foam sword of consequence which works because it is built on a foundation of "no really we have real violence to threaten you into compliance with"
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Sep 5, 2023 19:03
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Okay but what about the lack of TP? Urgent question trying to shitpost
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Sep 5, 2023 19:06
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in this case inaction is violoence (not wiping)
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M_Gargantua posted:Sure you can attempt to address the underlying factors that affect the development of bullying behavior in modern society, and thus have to graple with poverty, racism, classism, and regular meaness. It goes a bit deeper than that, though. Meti trained Incubus AND Maya. She created the people who would save AND who would harm the rat. Or rather, she gave them the skills to actually do so. The way I see it, when Incubus was a starving war orphan, HE was the rat, and no one saved him. That doesn't mean that all war orphans are evil, of course, but absent the horror of the war, he - and a lot of others - might have turned out different. So the problem isn't any one person, it's war. War bad. Yeah, I know, real controversial opinion over here. But I like how this comic doesn't provide easy answers, and those that think they have them - like Incubus, Jagganoth, and even David - are immoral or utterly hosed in the head. I don't know how this comic will resolve and how Abaddon will stick the landing, but I suspect there will never be an easy answer. It will be a lot of flawed people taking on roles they won't want, but know they must do.
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There Bias Two posted:What if im just out of toilet paper? Reach other peoples toilet paper through violence
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Some people are just gonna be sword poisoned. If you're patient, can withstand their violence, and don't care about collateral damage you can wait for them to violence themselves into the afterlife on their own, but sometimes you need to save the rat *right now* and I haven't seen anything in the comic to suggest that anything is going to save that rat other than violence or the threat thereof. Sure, but you're talking about people now, instead of animals as before. That seems like a significant difference. e: like the other guy was saying, I mean.
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Think this is my first quote is not edit. Huh.
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I don't know how this comic will resolve and how Abaddon will stick the landing, but I suspect there will never be an easy answer. It will be a lot of flawed people taking on roles they won't want, but know they must do. the solution will be friendship
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Rotten Red Rod posted:It goes a bit deeper than that, though. Meti trained Incubus AND Maya. She created the people who would save AND who would harm the rat. Or rather, she gave them the skills to actually do so. Allison sparked a war where there had previously been milllennia of peace between the demiurges, and that wasn't a bad thing. Like half the little under-page stories are about a tyrannical negative peace that must be broken through cartoonish quantities of violence. There Bias Two posted:What if im just out of toilet paper? If you expand your definition of what makes suitable toilet paper enough you'll find something, but others may object to you wiping your rear end on everything and everyone
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Allison sparked a war where there had previously been milllennia of peace between the demiurges, and that wasn't a bad thing. Like half the little under-page stories are about a tyrannical negative peace that must be broken through cartoonish quantities of violence. See previous re: no easy answers.
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I propose that there is an easy answer - 99% love
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Allison sparked a war where there had previously been milllennia of peace between the demiurges, and that wasn't a bad thing. Like half the little under-page stories are about a tyrannical negative peace that must be broken through cartoonish quantities of violence. It's worth pointing out, too, that "peace between the demiurges" didn't even mean "a lack of violence", it was just that because they had a peace between each other they were free to point their violent tendencies at their own populations. "Violence is never the answer" is something you can only say from a perspective of having all the historical violence that got you to where you are now, and all the violence that lets you stay where you are now, tucked away in a place where you don't have to see or think about it.
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There Bias Two posted:What if im just out of toilet paper?
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Lmao at Solomon. Allison’s superpower is getting all the demiurges to just live their best lives.
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There Bias Two posted:What if im just out of toilet paper? The weak swordsman reserves his sword strokes. He clings excessively to his blade. His footwork is unsteady. His grip is too hard and he is afraid to crack the earth with his step. He has a shallow and wandering gaze, his tongue is sluggish and pale. He refuses to exhale the hot breath of the Flame Immortal. 
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:It's worth pointing out, too, that "peace between the demiurges" didn't even mean "a lack of violence", it was just that because they had a peace between each other they were free to point their violent tendencies at their own populations. "Violence is never the answer" is something you can only say from a perspective of having all the historical violence that got you to where you are now, and all the violence that lets you stay where you are now, tucked away in a place where you don't have to see or think about it. Yeah, Peace is portrayed uh... not particularly great between what's going on in Throne and what we've seen of how the Demiurges treat their worlds 
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There Bias Two posted:What if im just out of toilet paper? Oh yah right - Use water you dolt, like a civilized monkey instead of consumerist meatsack.
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Was it even a peaceful time? Don't think the Pact of the Seven Parts World forbid a little war now and then.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, Peace is portrayed uh... not particularly great between what's going on in Throne and what we've seen of how the Demiurges treat their worlds Looking at the different Demi-urges, I think Mammon had the best nation for his people living in it. Like yea, it was a crazy counting cult with some self flagellation, but I don't think that was entirely mammon's fault, more like his bdsm 2nd in command. Honestly Mammon probably had a general Universal Basic Income and work program for his people. See these coins? Count them. Good, you earned your bread. Now count them tomorrow too. Now people outside Mammons' territories... Yea he was probably bleeding them dry through predatory loans, loan sharking and every other scheming usury he could come up with.
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Ynamon is as representative of Mammon's territories as Mottom's floating pleasure city was of hers.
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YaketySass posted:Was it even a peaceful time? Don't think the Pact of the Seven Parts World forbid a little war now and then. Absolutely. Mentioned at least once how many untouched worlds there are, and when they crack them open, you get some combo of colonialism, invading conquering or omnicidal force or happy fun time wormageddon.
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Donkringel posted:Looking at the different Demi-urges, I think Mammon had the best nation for his people living in it. Like yea, it was a crazy counting cult with some self flagellation, but I don't think that was entirely mammon's fault, more like his bdsm 2nd in command. That's all conjecture though. We don't really know anything about how Mammon runs his worlds aside from how he is NOW. Remember he betrayed his family to raise his fortune - I think it's likely he ran a brutal capitalist society for much of his reign, and the coffers of the vault are full of taxes from his worlds. The little society his followers created inside the vault might have nothing to do with how his empire was - or still is, in his absence - conducted. We're seeing latter day regret for a life of greed. I'd actually say it's Jaggonoth's worlds that have an argument for having it the best, since he didn't even bother opening most of the gates to conquer, and instead focused solely on building his own personal power.
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We don’t actually know whether Jagganoth had more or fewer unopened worlds than Mottom, iirc. He might have turned to them as a source for his military power, Mordor-ing a seventh of the omniverse.
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Yeah, the weird culture inside the great vault is specifically crafted to keep Mammon insulated from his worlds. Which on balance is probably for the best, so Mammon's worlds might actually be less terrible than the average demiurge just from lack of effort.Joe Slowboat posted:We don’t actually know whether Jagganoth had more or fewer unopened worlds than Mottom, iirc. He might have turned to them as a source for his military power, Mordor-ing a seventh of the omniverse. There's a tumblr Q&A from way back when where Abbadon mentioned offhand that Jagganoth didn't bother conquering his allotted worlds much.
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There Bias Two posted:What if im just out of toilet paper? We all know what true Royalty is: 
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the holy poopacy posted:Yeah, the weird culture inside the great vault is specifically crafted to keep Mammon insulated from his worlds. Which on balance is probably for the best, so Mammon's worlds might actually be less terrible than the average demiurge just from lack of effort. Ah, thanks. Also I suspect worlds ruled by a bank with the sole purpose of erecting a wall of gold between the dragon and the other gods… are not happy.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Sheng Seleris, Murder Astronaut, who realized everything was a painful illusion, all values were relative, and nothing was of inherent worth, and thus only power matters. This guy later on got broken out of special hell by someone who hated the lunar empire more than he loved not unleashing the ultimate ravening conqueror on all creation again. Mixed results.
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