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Not that it's surprising to anybody, but Ncuti Gatwa came out as queer. https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/01/ncuti-gatwa-comes-out-as-queer-manchester-pride/
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Edward Mass posted:Still, I wouldn’t use City of Death as an example of average Doctor Who viewership in the ‘70s. That’s like saying the average production of a Doctor Who serial in the ‘70s is exemplified by Shada. Well it's a good thing I wasn't doing that, then  I used it as an example not of average viewership, but as an example of what factors one should take into consideration when comparing big ratings numbers of yesteryear with the ratings a show might get nowadays.
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Sep 1, 2023 17:00
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armpit_enjoyer posted:Not that it's surprising to anybody, but Ncuti Gatwa came out as queer. quote:One obstacle Gatwa has had to overcome is being seen as a “tick-box” exercise. It was an accusation leveled against him by online trolls after he was announced as the next Time Lord in iconic British sci-fi series Doctor Who. Gatwa loving rules 
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Sep 2, 2023 01:16
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armpit_enjoyer posted:Not that it's surprising to anybody, but Ncuti Gatwa came out as queer. The dude who dresses like Sylvester (and I’m not talking about McCoy) isn’t straight?!?!?
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Sep 2, 2023 04:17
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I never really thought more about him deeper than his insatiable hunger for Tweety bird and he definitely didn't wear clothes
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Sep 2, 2023 06:04
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We're all forgetting that this actor was known for The Deal and State of Play before being cast as the next Doctor.
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Sep 5, 2023 00:03
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CobiWann posted:We're all forgetting that this actor was known for The Deal and State of Play before being cast as the next Doctor. He was also the co-star of Basic Instinct 2: Risk Addiction! 
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Sep 5, 2023 03:24
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Timby posted:He was also the co-star of Basic Instinct 2: Risk Addiction! What the hell is this cast doing in this movie? Like, basically all of them could do better than this. Edit: Ok, not Stan Collymore
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Sep 5, 2023 09:14
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Yes that’s Stan Collymore, the football player. 
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Sep 5, 2023 09:20
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I've never heard of any of them except Stone and Morrissey. And I only know Stone from Basic Instinct 1.
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Sep 5, 2023 12:04
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Dabir posted:I've never heard of any of them except Stone and Morrissey. And I only know Stone from Basic Instinct 1. Rampling has been in film since the 60s, she's got over 100 films on her IMDB list and she was the reverend mother in the recent Dune adaptation. David Thewlis has a similarly long and storied history, biggest profile thing is probably as Ares in Wonder Woman but I know him best for punching Jim Davidson in the face. Indira Varma was Suzie in Torchwood and was in Rome as well and is in general, really really good. Hugh Dancy was Will Graham in Hannibal. I probably didn't need to snip the entire cast list but there's a significant bunch of people (including Stone) that deserved better than a cash in sequel released 14 years after the original with none of the original creators aside from Stone involved.
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Sep 5, 2023 12:51
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Indira Varma is coming back to Doctor Who as well, but not as Suzie Costello.
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Sep 5, 2023 12:59
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Fil5000 posted:David Thewlis has a similarly long and storied history, biggest profile thing is probably as Ares in Wonder Woman but I know him best for punching Jim Davidson in the face. Eh, I think his role in the Harry Potter films is probably more well known, and the Potter films have stuck to him more than most actors (see also: Timothy Spall; your parents might know him as Barry from Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, but for most under-35s, he’s Peter Pettigrew.)
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Sep 6, 2023 02:34
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TinTower posted:(see also: Timothy Spall; your parents might know him as Barry from Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, but for most under-35s, he’s Peter Pettigrew.) He'll always be the technician in the Back to Reality episode of Red Dwarf to me.
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Sep 6, 2023 03:25
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Oh! He's the Brummie git?
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Sep 6, 2023 13:29
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Inspired by my chat with The_Doctor: How good / incomprehensible is Ghost Light? I think it is very good / very incomprehensible. And I say that as someone who sort of thinks he mostly gets it. "Java, Java, JAVA. Everyone is always going to JAVA."
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Sep 7, 2023 13:28
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I think I’ve got most of Ghost Light down, it’s just everyone’s talking in their own circles like it’s 3 episodes of the Prisoner overlapping.
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Sep 7, 2023 14:17
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I still do not understand how Lungbarrow became Ghost Light.
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Sep 7, 2023 14:41
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I still do not understand how Lungbarrow became Ghost Light. Keep the spooky mansion, rip out the Gallifrey, patch it up.
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Sep 7, 2023 14:44
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I still do not understand how Lungbarrow became Ghost Light. OldMemes posted:Keep the spooky mansion, rip out the Gallifrey, patch it up. Subtract incest, remove killer/suicidal house.
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Sep 7, 2023 14:59
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I… don’t remember incest? 
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Sep 7, 2023 17:19
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Open Source Idiom posted:Subtract incest, remove killer/suicidal house. The_Doctor posted:I… don’t remember incest? Did... did someone gently caress a loom and I missed it?
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Sep 7, 2023 17:35
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The_Doctor posted:I… don’t remember incest? The Doctor and his cousin are implied to have maybe have had a thing in the past, which makes some sense given that Loom era Gallifrey isn't going to have quite the same taboos concerning incest. Members of the same House are going to have decades or centuries of age difference between them, and Gallifreyian cousins don't necessarily have any genetic material in common. The term "cousin" just means that they were created by the same breeding engine and are aligned with the same House. But, on top of that, the Doctor's a cuckoo within House Lungbarrow. His genetic material came from an other source.
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Sep 7, 2023 17:40
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there's really no reason for there to ever be more than one timelord. presumably at some point they will finally reveal that all timelords are just the doctor goin through some poo poo
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Sep 7, 2023 19:02
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Khanstant posted:there's really no reason for there to ever be more than one timelord. presumably at some point they will finally reveal that all timelords are just the doctor goin through some poo poo You shall not have other Time Lords before Ford Time Lord 
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Sep 7, 2023 19:27
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Khanstant posted:there's really no reason for there to ever be more than one timelord. presumably at some point they will finally reveal that all timelords are just the doctor goin through some poo poo I disagree. I think the Time Lords should be there, but just in the background over there if you look closely. We had a period where there were no other Time Lords, and it was interesting, but I thought we were moving on to Tom Baker-level usage. As long as we don't get to the point of Gallifreyian coffee shops, we should be good.
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Sep 7, 2023 19:35
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I wasn't arguing they should actually do that, and it's also the same shtick as "every person is the universe or a god experiencing itself" which has maybe one episode of content before you're as bored of it as that entity should be if there's any persistence of memory. Just musing the rules of a time travelling immortal regenerator do technically accommodate the concept.
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Sep 7, 2023 20:38
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Boxturret posted:He'll always be the technician in the Back to Reality episode of Red Dwarf to me.
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Sep 7, 2023 21:07
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Lungbarrow being full of incest subtones truly makes it more nu-Who than anything. (Seriously, I can think of three times there’s been a selfcest joke in the new series. And Moffat’s only responsible for two of them.)
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Sep 8, 2023 06:34
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Edward Mass posted:I disagree. I think the Time Lords should be there, but just in the background over there if you look closely. We had a period where there were no other Time Lords, and it was interesting, but I thought we were moving on to Tom Baker-level usage. As long as we don't get to the point of Gallifreyian coffee shops, we should be good. I maintain that the only time that Time Lords were done correctly was at the very end of the War Games, where they’re exceedingly powerful and clearly terrifying to the Doctor. They aren’t given much exposition, they’re just there, borderline malevolent and clearly beyond anything Jamie or Zoe can comprehend. The next time we see them is in the Three Doctors, where they’re just regular guys, lazy and incompetent as the rest of the universe.
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Sep 8, 2023 09:38
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armpit_enjoyer posted:I maintain that the only time that Time Lords were done correctly was at the very end of the War Games, where they’re exceedingly powerful and clearly terrifying to the Doctor. They aren’t given much exposition, they’re just there, borderline malevolent and clearly beyond anything Jamie or Zoe can comprehend. I quite liked them during Pertwee's tenure. You know, that time that one of them just popped into existence wearing a suit and a bowler hat, politely dispensed exposition and then popped out again. It was like something out of the Avengers.
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Sep 8, 2023 09:44
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armpit_enjoyer posted:I maintain that the only time that Time Lords were done correctly was at the very end of the War Games, where they’re exceedingly powerful and clearly terrifying to the Doctor. They aren’t given much exposition, they’re just there, borderline malevolent and clearly beyond anything Jamie or Zoe can comprehend. I feel like the closest we ever got to this again was in Time of the Doctor where they're not seen, we're just aware they're there, and Clara talks at them through a crack and the result is essentially incomprehensible Gods bestowing a gift to the Doctor to allow him to continue on instead of finally dying. Then they're just gone, no further discussion or elaboration, never seen, never heard, just there and then not. "THE RULES OF REGENERATION ARE KNOWN!" "Did you mention rules? Don't talk to me about rules!"
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Sep 8, 2023 10:59
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Jerusalem posted:I feel like the closest we ever got to this again was in Time of the Doctor where they're not seen, we're just aware they're there, and Clara talks at them through a crack and the result is essentially incomprehensible Gods bestowing a gift to the Doctor to allow him to continue on instead of finally dying. Then they're just gone, no further discussion or elaboration, never seen, never heard, just there and then not. I'd be inclined to agree if we hadn't just seen them in "action" (standing around a table in a dramatic fashion) the episode before. Same with Hell Bent dragging Heaven Sent down a bit.
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Sep 8, 2023 11:15
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Jerusalem posted:I feel like the closest we ever got to this again was in Time of the Doctor where they're not seen, we're just aware they're there, and Clara talks at them through a crack and the result is essentially incomprehensible Gods bestowing a gift to the Doctor to allow him to continue on instead of finally dying. Then they're just gone, no further discussion or elaboration, never seen, never heard, just there and then not. Too bad it turned out they didn't have to do that because the Doctor actually has unlimited regenerations 
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Sep 8, 2023 14:35
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They knew, they were just being dicks again. "Okay, fine, [mashes random keys loudly] he has more regenerations now. Please hold for a customer satisfaction survey"
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Sep 8, 2023 15:03
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howe_sam posted:Too bad it turned out they didn't have to do that because the Doctor actually has unlimited regenerations As much as I dislike the Timeless Child, they make it clear that when the Doctor was dumped by the Division, they were remade into a standard Time Lord child with a 12 regeneration cycle. It wasn't a mind wipe, so much as a complete amputation. Which raises questions about what the entire point of the retcon was, and why the Doctor was referring to themselves as such and travelling in a police box shaped TARDIS, but hey... In both the new and old series, The Doctor sees Susan as his biological grandaughter, mentions that he had children and refers to his parents. The new series shows that Time Lords do have a childhood of sorts. If you wanted to (personally I don't see the VNAs as canon anymore, but that's a whole kettle of fish) say that Looms are used by Time Lords as a sort of artical way to combine DNA and create offspring from parents, rather than the old fashioned way, but that's getting into head canon. There's an interesting line in The Beginning (which had a BBC mandated connection to The Name of the Doctor), where a Time Lord mocks Susan by saying noo-one has grandfathers "anymore" on Gallifrey. Make of that what you will. The Time Lords are a fun background element, and Chibnall killing them off for cheap shock value was bad.
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Sep 8, 2023 15:10
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OldMemes posted:In both the new and old series, The Doctor sees Susan as his biological grandaughter, mentions that he had children and refers to his parents. The new series shows that Time Lords do have a childhood of sorts. If you wanted to (personally I don't see the VNAs as canon anymore, but that's a whole kettle of fish) say that Looms are used by Time Lords as a sort of artical way to combine DNA and create offspring from parents, rather than the old fashioned way, but that's getting into head canon. The NAs don't really contradict anything from the show tbh. Susan is the Doctor's biological child, because the Doctor (or, rather, The Other) predates the Looms. And there's nothing stopping the Doctor from having kids after Lungbarrow either, since the only thing stopping Timelords from giving birth is the curse of Pythia and that's resolved. It's been funny seeing book lore randomly turn up in BF stories recently -- Patience is (heavily) referenced in Stranded, the Osirians have (stolen?) FP loom technology in The Temple of Sutekh, Eccleston namechecks House Lungbarrow in a 9DA, the recent Sixth Doctor set references Business Unusual, etc. I'm guessing the spooky house that the 13th Doctor sees at the start of Flux is probably meant to be Lungbarrow too (there's no other explanation as far as I can tell). Fun fact: pretty sure the idea of TARDISes being grown comes from Lungbarrow as well. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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Sep 8, 2023 15:51
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Jerusalem posted:I feel like the closest we ever got to this again was in Time of the Doctor where they're not seen, we're just aware they're there, and Clara talks at them through a crack and the result is essentially incomprehensible Gods bestowing a gift to the Doctor to allow him to continue on instead of finally dying. Then they're just gone, no further discussion or elaboration, never seen, never heard, just there and then not. The musical sting for that moment is really great too. As you say, it’s proper ‘THE GODS ARE HERE’ time. (00:50 here:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AxCoMbiZfk
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Sep 8, 2023 15:55
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OldMemes posted:As much as I dislike the Timeless Child, they make it clear that when the Doctor was dumped by the Division, they were remade into a standard Time Lord child with a 12 regeneration cycle. It wasn't a mind wipe, so much as a complete amputation. Which raises questions about what the entire point of the retcon was, and why the Doctor was referring to themselves as such and travelling in a police box shaped TARDIS, but hey... Wait, did they? I must have missed that element, but it's possible I was just so bored and frustrated with the whole thing that I've blocked it out.
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I'd say elements of the VNAs could be considered canon (like Bernice Summerfield), but a lot of them don't fit 7 or Ace's later characterisation at all. And if the VNAs share conintity with the EDAs, and they're normally considered non-canon....well, canon in Doctor Who is a 'pick what you like' kinda thing anyway with the expanded universe stuff.Class3KillStorm posted:Wait, did they? I must have missed that element, but it's possible I was just so bored and frustrated with the whole thing that I've blocked it out. The Doctor says she was given a second childhood, and the annual that year confirmed that the Doctor only had a standard Time Lord body with a normal regeneration cycle, so they did need that boost from the Time Lords. The Doctor is effectively a entirely seperate creature made from the Timeless Child. The entire retcon is pointless. Killing the Time Lords offscreen underminds Moffat's stuff far more.
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