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Warbird posted:“Ima do a thing where I have to draw fukkin hands all time.” I love drawing hands and you are completely correct. Isn't the grandma bit sweet?  It beautifully demonstrates how you go about studying the minutiae of life to capture its authenticity and then whoops, you just end up learning stuff you can apply elsewhere!Happy Landfill posted:Eizouken is 100% a pro-watch It makes my heart sing. The joy of watching someone be enthusiastic about their passion is just the best!
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Eizouken is fully going to be on a list of the best anime series of this decade.
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Xelkelvos posted:"Children's Entertainment" was always its own special silo because of advertisers essentially. While just about any type of program would be amenable on Cartoon Network or Nick Jr. for an insurance or car ad as parents might be watching, toy commercials wouldn't exactly work if placed in the middle of Law & Order. It's a specialized space with specific appeals and also Karen groups watching like a hawk for anything possibly untowards in or adjacent to said programming. It's not really exclusive to TV though. I think there was a similar pattern with videogames for a little bit before they started asserting their maturity in the 2000s. It was strongest with comic books, when a moral panic prompted the comic industry to self-regulate itself to force adult and controversial comics into the oblivion or at least underground.
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As much as I liked Eizouken, I think I like Shirobako more.
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Pursuant to the "adult" animation discussion, the new Adventure Time episodes are thematically adult with a lot of existential stuff, and also "adultishly" adult, with some pretty surprising violence. I guess it's intended for kids who grew up with the show or people who were adults all the way through. They're weird but I think I'm enjoying them? It's fun to be back in that world anyhow.
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Neeksy posted:As much as I liked Eizouken, I think I like Shirobako more. Shows about peeking behind the curtain are neat. Also see that one episode of Paranoia Agent, but uh... not so non-violent.
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It was great casting to have the screwup in the Paranoia Agent episode be the same guy as the screwup in Shirobako.
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Neeksy posted:It was great casting to have the screwup in the Paranoia Agent episode be the same guy as the screwup in Shirobako. 
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Pursuant to the "adult" animation discussion, the new Adventure Time episodes are thematically adult with a lot of existential stuff, and also "adultishly" adult, with some pretty surprising violence. I guess it's intended for kids who grew up with the show or people who were adults all the way through. Growup Finn being completely unhinged after years of heroing was very fun.
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The entire show is filled with stuff like this. The main five women were also voiced by people getting their first major roles, while the rest are mostly highly veteran actors. But really one of the things I love about it the most is how good the script is.
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Neeksy posted:As much as I liked Eizouken, I think I like Shirobako more. Then they burn themselves out while making some toyetic pap about girls who transform into airplanes before ever getting to make what they truly want to make because the industry is mismanaged and ruthless.
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What is it about anime or animation, or manga that allows such low-key, low-stakes series to be made? One of my favourite shows is Silver Spoon, about the tame adventures of a city boy with a bad(ish) home life in an agricultural boarding school. It's not for kids but I wouldn't say it's entirely adult. There are only a handful of real conflicts/drama, so I couldn't really imagine it working in another format. Is it just because they aren't made in other formats or is there something intrinsic about animation or comics that allows it?
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muscles like this! posted:Growup Finn being completely unhinged after years of heroing was very fun. Finn looked and behaved exactly as you'd expect for someone with his upbringing and life experiences. Unfortunately you can't just stab an existential crisis! ...or can you?!
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Jake, always the voice of calm reason: "You can't beat all of your problems with a sword, bro."
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Iirc, Shirobako was a passion project for PA Works which is obvious from the amount of love and care it has in everything. Chinston Wurchill posted:Finn looked and behaved exactly as you'd expect for someone with his upbringing and life experiences. Unfortunately you can't just stab an existential crisis! ...or can you?! Finn did! I guess. Might also be all of the concussions from his youth.
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It was weird to hear an Adventure Time character actually say "goddammit" instead of making up something whimsical.
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Yeah this new Adventure Time isn't even pretending to be a kids show. In addition to assuming heavily familiarity with previous continuity, its also full of angst and regret.
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I really liked the first two episodes of Fiona and Cake. I need to double check the credits but I think Rebecca Sugar did the killer song for episode 2. Later Adventure Time didn't quite balance the ever expanding lore and maturity of stories it told in my opinion, but I'm excited to see how this branch develops.
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Rediscovered Gary and His Demons on Amazon and now I’m incredibly angry that this show was left to languish on loving Vrv.
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kiminewt posted:What is it about anime or animation, or manga that allows such low-key, low-stakes series to be made? Part of it might be attributable to the way anime is financed compared to American animation; my understanding is that while an American show is picked up and bankrolled by a network, a lot of anime is fronted by the studios themselves, with the time slots bought from the networks, with the expectation of making it up on the back end with DVD sales and merch. Comics/Manga are because there was never an age ghetto for comics in Japan, so there's more niches for a book about, say, comics that target specifically middle-aged women into arts and crafts. Also, Comiket; the indie ('douijinshi') market over there is pretty nuts, and while most of what makes it over to English is just the porno (I'm convinced that first contact between any two cultures involves porn; we'll be getting alien porn two weeks after the saucers appear over DC), there's a ton of just weird, niche stuff there that promotes a different culture and provides a different breeding ground for their animation artists than America has. Edit: Also, the reason I came here was that I was watching a bit of Fionna and Cake and just wanted to say that the theme song (or insert song) in E1 hits hard and has been stuck in my head for a while now. Neito fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Sep 6, 2023 |
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The Fiona and Cake stuff is pretty mid so far. I found adult Finn to be super annoying and I’m unclear what they’re aiming for I did start watching Harley Quinn based on people talking about it here, solid rear end show
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Harley Quinn just goes for trying to give these insane people real lives and it's fun. I also love that they avoided certain beloved characters giving the world a chance to breath and grow and later introducing the characters as their version in this world and it just works. Joker and Batman is primarily who I'm thinking of but I've thought the same on some other characters. Just imagine opening this show with dad of the year.
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High school is kind of in a golden area where adults remember it and probably had some formative experiences in high school, while kids younger than high school will look up to and forward to high school, and actual high schoolers are so self-absorbed they think high school is the whole world, and they also have a significant amount of spending money on their own. Narratively, teenagers are at a point where they can have some major character development pretty easily. There are so many high school anime. Silver Spoon also has the advantage of just having a really good mangaka to make it work. Fullmetal Alchemist is probably the best-planned shounen I've ever seen.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Fullmetal Alchemist is probably the best-planned shounen I've ever seen. I think this was helped by the manga being a monthly and not a weekly. Got more pages, and more time to bake for each release.
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SlothfulCobra posted:High school is kind of in a golden area where adults remember it and probably had some formative experiences in high school, while kids younger than high school will look up to and forward to high school, and actual high schoolers are so self-absorbed they think high school is the whole world, and they also have a significant amount of spending money on their own. Narratively, teenagers are at a point where they can have some major character development pretty easily. There are so many high school anime. High school is also the closest thing to a universal touchstone there is other than even earlier schooling which would be much more restrictive story wise.
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i am a moron posted:The Fiona and Cake stuff is pretty mid so far. I found adult Finn to be super annoying and I’m unclear what they’re aiming for I mean to a normal person from the 20th century Finn would absolutely come off as a maniac, I can see why they played that up since it was from Simon's perspective
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Neito posted:Part of it might be attributable to the way anime is financed compared to American animation; my understanding is that while an American show is picked up and bankrolled by a network, a lot of anime is fronted by the studios themselves, with the time slots bought from the networks, with the expectation of making it up on the back end with DVD sales and merch. Comics/Manga are because there was never an age ghetto for comics in Japan, so there's more niches for a book about, say, comics that target specifically middle-aged women into arts and crafts. More specifically, Anime are largely financed by committees of various companies/sponsors (you can usually see this in the credits). Generally this includes not just the animation studio, but also the company that created the source material like a publisher or game studio, a music company (for OP/EDs and such), and even local tourism agencies among others. pixaal posted:I think this was helped by the manga being a monthly and not a weekly. Got more pages, and more time to bake for each release. Arakawa is also just a good mangaka and I only wish she could publish Arslan Senki faster because her adaptation of it its fantastic.
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Strange Cares posted:I mean to a normal person from the 20th century Finn would absolutely come off as a maniac, I can see why they played that up since it was from Simon's perspective Kind of a bummer he’s just like… big Finn. Without Jake he’s just a large annoying child
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i am a moron posted:Kind of a bummer he’s just like… big Finn. Without Jake he’s just a large annoying child I mean, it's always been a part of their relationship that Finn and Jake balance each other. Without Finn, Jake is kind of just a lazy but wise dude who is a bit of a jerk. Without Jake, Finn is a large annoying child. Makes sense!
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Seems pretty weird he’s a large buff man acting like a weird teenager still. But it’s not even the biggest problem with it. Overlong runtimes and so far not even a whiff of what the plan is 50 minutes in. I’ll keep watching but I’m skeptical
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I liked them both, a lot. The story's about people who are depressed and stuck in their lives, and how art is a way of getting you out of that rut. But also it's fun. I didn't find either episode overlong tbh
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Absolutely loved Adventure Time back in the day. But the release schedule just killed any interest I had in the show. Same happened with Steven Universe.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Absolutely loved Adventure Time back in the day. But the release schedule just killed any interest I had in the show. This was the "8 hours a day of TTG" era of Cartoon Network. We're now on the "8 hours a day of Gumball" era. (seriously, the "Current programming" section of Cartoon Network is depressing.)
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Oh hey, the only good Star Trek property in nearly 30 years is back. Hell yeah.
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Warbird posted:Oh hey, the only good Star Trek property in nearly 30 years is back. Hell yeah. Star Trek actually exists for longer than that. Lower Decks is the only good one period.
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I don’t honestly care about the property enough to even care though TLD is so good I’ve started watching TNG episodes on occasion as a means to appreciate the jokes more.
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Apparently the recasting of Prismo in Fionna & Cake was due to agent shenanigans. Kumail says he was never asked and Adam Muto says they hit up his agent and never heard back.
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