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Moon Slayer posted:Just put four grenade launchers in a compas rose configuration and fire them all at the same time. The momentum from each will be canceled out and it'll be the closest thing you'll ever get to casting an AoE spell. What about a grenade that explodes into more drones?
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Sep 6, 2023 20:55
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DandyLion posted:What about a grenade that explodes into more drones? That's an aircraft carrier.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:57
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DandyLion posted:What about a grenade that explodes into more drones? The future of war isn't Warhammer so much as Enter The Gungeon
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Sep 6, 2023 21:09
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LifeSunDeath posted:if this war doesn't lead to purpose built bomber drones becoming a thing, I'd be shocked. who knows what the capacity and accuracy could be if they were built from the ground up to do it, instead of being a strapped on bootleg mechanism that requires an auxiliary light to activate it. https://dronesvision.com/mortar-revolver-bomber-drone/ This strange thing from Taiwan was hyped a bit as supplied to Ukraine last year, not sure I ever seen reports of actual use
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Sep 6, 2023 21:12
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Just Another Lurker posted:I guess they didn't send ALL of their trainers to the front line last year when things were tight. That's not how Russia conducts most training, anyways. Most training is conducted by units, not by dedicated training schools. They certainly have some--and largely mortgaged their future by sending the trainers to replace losses--but it's not the Western model. Training is also run by officers, so Russian units have proportionally more officers than Western militaries, but their officers do more things.
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Sep 6, 2023 21:51
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i say swears online posted:incorporating physics, a tiny drone with 1 .22lr bullet or a few grams of high explosive probably scares me the most for potential political destabilization I don't understand what you're getting at here. Is the drone shooting super accurately with a .22 from distance? Silently suicide bombing?
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Sep 6, 2023 22:04
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Bring back dildo drone technology imo https://youtu.be/9pa0VYVOCAI
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Sep 6, 2023 22:08
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I think they're saying assassinating someone with a single low-caliber shot (pulling a Gavrilo Princip, as it were) from a small quadcopter has a high capacity to destabilize versus low immediate risk to the human pulling the trigger.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:09
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dildrone swarms over Kyiv this is the future they warned us about
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Sep 6, 2023 22:10
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Safety Dance posted:I think they're saying assassinating someone with a single low-caliber shot (pulling a Gavrilo Princip, as it were) from a small quadcopter has a high capacity to destabilize versus low immediate risk to the human pulling the trigger. How feasible is that? Since it's moving around in the air, I would think it would be a lot harder than doing it with a regular rifle.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:12
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Telsa Cola posted:CIWS expend a gently caress ton of ammo because what they are trying to hit is relatively small and moving fast as gently caress. The same system being used on the drones we are seeing in use today would almost certainly require less ammo expenditure per kill than if they were trying to hit a missile going at Mach 3. I don’t know about that. Purely off the top of my head, how many bullets do you need to kill a drone that is designed to kink three feet in a random direction every time It sees a muzzle flash?
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Sep 6, 2023 22:17
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fatherboxx posted:https://dronesvision.com/mortar-revolver-bomber-drone/ I've seen a larger drone drop 4 mortars but they drop 2 at a time twice, like a matrice or other larger platform ones:   Occasionally there's a mavic that carries a frag and thermobaric grenade:  I have yet to see a drone drop 8 bombs so not sure if they're in service yet.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:19
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EasilyConfused posted:How feasible is that? Since it's moving around in the air, I would think it would be a lot harder than doing it with a regular rifle. It's not feasible at all if for no other reason than there's no way a drone is getting close enough to someone to blow up or pop them with a single-shot .22 without being spotted by bodyguards.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:19
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The Artificial Kid posted:I don’t know about that. Purely off the top of my head, how many bullets do you need to kill a drone that is designed to kink three feet in a random direction every time you should be thinking about how to kill a best buy quality drone, which was the whole point, is the drones dont cost more than like 1000 dollars each but are substantially easier to hit because they are slow. do the math, how much it costs to have 500 drones at various price levels vs one anti ship missile or compare to having 500 ciws bullets. you could absolutely kill a low speed drone with one cwis bullet. again the system is meant to fire at objects moving a mach 3. it's a lot easier to hit a cheap quad copter. if you're going make your drone juke and jig like a fighter jet and literally dodge bullets from ciws bullets moving half a mile a second like neo in the matrix it's not going to be cheap anymore. if you make your drone cost unlimited sure you can dream of anything ethanol fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Sep 6, 2023 |
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Sep 6, 2023 22:25
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Ynglaur posted:... That's the bit that stood out to me last year, felt like nails on a chalkboard. 
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Sep 6, 2023 22:26
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The trend is going towards autocannons in that role, and you aren't escaping AHEAD rounds with your fancy drone by trying to zip around. Ukraine is receiving newly built ammunition for its Gepards, which is noteworthy because impact fuzed munitions are on their way out in that role and a production line had to be retooled to make older ammunition.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:32
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So if we're already bringing back flak we should probably bring back barrage balloons too, is all I'm saying. I did not mean for that sentence to be as alliterative as it ended up.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:34
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The Artificial Kid posted:I don’t know about that. Purely off the top of my head, how many bullets do you need to kill a drone that is designed to kink three feet in a random direction every time You don't need to hit the drone, the shell just needs to explode close enough for fragments to hit it. Although in the case of your example, just firing duds would stop the drone.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:38
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Moon Slayer posted:So if we're already bringing back flak we should probably bring back barrage balloons too, is all I'm saying. the russians seem to be so incredibly bad at deploying some sort of small drone AA i keep thinking they will resort to ww2 flak cannons at some point. man operated. i mean how about tugunskas? but I guess they don't have very many of those, not enough to be watching over individual squads. And I have a strong feeling their sensors really are made to detect F117s better than they are to detect small drones so probably don't work without retrofit. like every time i watch one of the drone videos they just dont seem to have any detection capability deployed at all considering many of them never even try shooting down with their machine guns the parallels to ww2 are bizarre because most stuff in modern air warfare is going to hit you before you hear or see it, and here we are with slow air power again
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Sep 6, 2023 22:42
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LifeSunDeath posted:Then some commander having 2 helicopters run a sortie to pick up a purebred cat they stole and bring it back to russia. I skipped ahead to the mention about the cat and didn't see anything about it being stolen in the subtitles. Just that the commander used two air crews to transport the cat from Rostov to some other city. Which is a much better use of Russian military aviation resources, as far as I'm concerned.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:42
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The Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer never went away, it was just resting. And I'm sure there's renewed interest in the concept all of a sudden. It would be interesting to see if someone is insane enough to attempt to bring back the VADS though.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:43
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Antigravitas posted:... Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer ... When you use the alphabet as ammo. 
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Sep 6, 2023 22:53
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Antigravitas posted:The trend is going towards autocannons in that role, and you aren't escaping AHEAD rounds with your fancy drone by trying to zip around. Once you start packing a bit of autonomy on those they're going to get real scary.
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Sep 6, 2023 22:53
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ok assuming lasers don't roast those things immediately consider if they have a fleet of cheap drones that can out maneuver bullets or shrapnel that you just deploy your own cheap hyper maneuverable drones to ram them
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Sep 6, 2023 23:02
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romania-says-parts-russian-drone-fell-its-territory-media-2023-09-06/ Romania confirms Russian drone landed on their side of the border. It's a short article, not much information yet. quote:Sept 6 (Reuters) - Parts of what could be a Russian drone fell on Romanian territory, Defence Minister Angel Tilvar said on Wednesday, two days after Ukraine said Russian drones had detonated on the NATO member's land. This looks like it will play out like the Poland incident. Condemned but treated as an accident, mostly. ummel fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Sep 6, 2023 |
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Sep 6, 2023 23:02
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ummel posted:Romania confirms Russian drone landed on their side of the border. It's a short article, not much information yet. Yeah people died in Poland and not much was done since it was clearly an accident. Even if Russia went completely insane and wanted to attack Romania, they can't do it by land or sea cause Ukraine would rinse them along the way. So there isn't any reason for Romania to do much other than tell Russia to be more careful or risk having their drones shot down. Wagner faffing about in Belarus, and the accidental overflights by Belarus helicopters were far more concerning and still nothing happened.
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Sep 6, 2023 23:59
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ethanol posted:the russians seem to be so incredibly bad at deploying some sort of small drone AA i keep thinking they will resort to ww2 flak cannons at some point. man operated. Russia seems to be focusing mostly on using EW to counter smaller UAVs. That has generally worked well for them, but it's an all-or-nothing approach. If EW is active, drones can't operate. If you don't have EW active, drones can operate. Russian EW seems to degrade done of their own capabilities as well, particularly rotary aviation, so it's a real trade off for them. evil_bunnY posted:you can absolutely do that if you're far enough. AHEAD is an evolution of a airburst shell with a proxi/VT fuse. Great for schwacking those multi-KG hexa/octo out of the sky (or a slow mavic-like craft), but a one way sub-kilo drone on 5-6" props is *horrifyingly* maneuverable, and it can go 100pkh a couple meters off the ground. Yeah, FPVs are basically non-line of sight (NLOS) guided munitions. So far they mostly have small, ad-hoc warheads, but Lancet already has a new, heavier version, and I'd be shocked if systems like Switchblade aren't going to end up looking a lot like Javelin but with NLOS and longer range. A lot more vehicles are going to need Trophy or its equivalent. The West needs to start thinking about adding such defenses to artillery, command vehicles, trucks, etc. That's going to bring its own challenges because those systems are heavy, power-hungry, and need active emissions to work.
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Sep 7, 2023 00:34
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just chiming in to say i built all your drone concepts in Legend of Zelda and they weren't good.
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Sep 7, 2023 01:17
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Solus posted:just chiming in to say i built all your drone concepts in Legend of Zelda and they weren't good. I was building them in Besiege and watching them crash and burn long before that 
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Sep 7, 2023 01:34
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MikeC posted:You are turning a system designed to be ultra cheap and disposable to a system that is more costly yet will incur the same, very high attrition rate. This is the past 3 pages summarized. A drone is likely very much not going to be able out maneuver a system designed to track and engage an object traveling at Mach 3 unless it itself reaches crazy high speeds, which is going to be hilariously expensive to implement without tearing itself apart. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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Sep 7, 2023 01:48
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Just get a wizard to cast Mirror Image on your drone so when you Zerg Rush the orcs in Mordor, they won’t know which one to shoot at (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 7, 2023 02:10
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Chill Monster posted:Just get a wizard to cast Mirror Image on your drone so when you Zerg Rush the orcs in Mordor, they won’t know which one to shoot at Trying to sabotage the Ukrainian war effort by suggesting impossible tactics? Mirror Image is self only.
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Sep 7, 2023 02:43
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Ynglaur posted:
Isn’t all this a big I AM HERE sign that you launch a HARM missile at?
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Sep 7, 2023 03:33
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Comstar posted:Isn’t all this a big I AM HERE sign that you launch a HARM missile at? The funny thing about these drones is that most are so slow you could actually use sonar (in air!) and still have enough time to shoot back or at least turn on a targeting radar.
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Sep 7, 2023 04:09
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MikeC posted:You are turning a system designed to be ultra cheap and disposable to a system that is more costly yet will incur the same, very high attrition rate. He must work for Raytheon.
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Sep 7, 2023 04:24
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Telsa Cola posted:This is the past 3 pages summarized. I think you’re mischaracterising the problem. Being able to track something travelling in a straight line at Mach 3 by no means guarantees being able to hit something that responsively dodges laterally in random directions (at least without expenditure of many rounds or specialised ammo that explodes and blankets a volume with shrapnel). And in terms of the intelligence of drones, the intelligence is software, which is infinitely reproducible, and the substrate is silicon, which gets cheaper and more capable every year.
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Sep 7, 2023 04:56
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Dopilsya posted:Trying to sabotage the Ukrainian war effort by suggesting impossible tactics? Mirror Image is self only. Perhaps under primitive Soviet doctrines, but NATO militaries are prepared to spend the 200gp to place the Mirror Image spell in a Glyph of Warding.
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Sep 7, 2023 05:38
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Speaking of drones, according to our morning news there was another attack over night, this time in Rostow. Allegedly there's video of a large explosion going around on social media. Apparently Ukrainian drones hit something important. Phoneposting, so no link for now. Edit: Welp, had some extra time now. Süddeutsche Liveblog. Libluini fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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Sep 7, 2023 07:17
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By reports, drones exploded near South Military District HQ but amounted to broken windows. Still, a first successful hit on Rostov.
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It's the Ghost of Prig
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