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I have interviewed people for computer touching jobs where they have a bunch of qualifications and experience on their resume and then can’t even operate the computer when they get sat in front of it to do the little technical test we would include in the interview. I had one person who had 8 years of helpdesk on their resume but I had to physically guide their hand to the minimise/maximise buttons in explorer and show them how tabs in a browser worked, because they kept ‘losing’ the page of documentation they were referring to in this very open book test. Sometimes filtering the resume can’t save you from a pointless interview.
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Anybody else's job make them install a company group chat app like Signal or WhatsApp? Mine does and it loving sucks. I've already told my bosses I don't read it and if they want me to come in early or some poo poo to contact me directly. The whole god damned chat is: - people running late - people calling out sick - "hilarious" memes - replies that say "heard" And I get anywhere between 25 and 50 of these messages in a day. It's just degenerated into FB basically and is nothing but annoying white noise. Also not a big fan of monitoring work related bullshit when I am paid by the hour, work a second job and also freelance in my spare time, gently caress you very much. There was one exception last week where I went to check if we were closed because of the hurricane (I live in FL) and got to read a meltdown from several coworkers bitching about an Indeed post for our job(s) that pays more than we make (because it's in a bigger city). I didn't know whether to be proud of these people standing up and fighting The Man or facepalming over their blatant stupidity to aggressively talk that poo poo on a group app. My coworkers were pissed off that we can make more in Miami or St. Petersburg compared to St. Augustine and openly calling out management and threatening to move or quit in addition to some rather aggressive poo poo talking. On the one hand, "Fight the Power" and all that. On the other, "Is this Wise?" and "Have you thought this through?" BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Sep 6, 2023 |
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We temporarily used WhatsApp to coordinate poo poo when Covid popped off and everyone suddenly had to go home but as soon as we got teams up and running on our actual work devices (laptops) I made sure all those groups were nuked. I will never let work poo poo live on my personal device unless they wanna pay for it, with that one exception for the wild circumstances we found ourselves in.
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The app of choice here is LINE which I prefer over other apps for the following reasons: - Mute all notifications by individual user/group (no blinking dots, except from your most important people!) - Disable people from adding you unless you're mutually registered in each other's address books. - Reaction option - Edit usernames on just your phone (add last names or where you met) Whatsapp actually lets through phone calls from unregistered users, it's terrible. Telegram is good for one-way announcements. Zalo is like Whatsapp but centered in Vietnam so I rarely get spam.
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Sep 7, 2023 00:22
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gently caress anyone who gives a computer aptitude test and doesn’t accept "I look up how to do it on Google" as an acceptable answer to anything you don't know. Everyone at my job thinks I'm some sort of Excel wizard because whenever I'm asked to do something in Excel I just say, "Yeah, I think I can do that, send me the file and I'll take a look," and then I just google how to do it.
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McGavin posted:gently caress anyone who gives a computer aptitude test and doesn’t accept "I look up how to do it on Google" as an acceptable answer to anything you don't know. I've given answers in technical interviews that amounted to, "I'd do $foo using $bar commands but would need to go refresh myself with the man page or just google the syntax because it's not worth keeping that in my head unless I've done it recently," for multiple prompts and gotten an offer. Wouldn't want to work anywhere that'd consider that a failed response. Anything that isn't a high level conversation just to prove you know what you're on about is generally a waste of time for everyone involved. You can suss out if someone is knowledgeable (at least specifically for IT positions) without ever asking to see them produce code unless you're hiring for very specific use cases.
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Sep 7, 2023 02:31
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No I will not add you on Skype
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Sep 7, 2023 03:17
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peanut posted:No I will not add you on Skype Aw c'mon.
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Sep 7, 2023 04:46
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peanut posted:No I will not add you on Skype Rude!
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Sep 7, 2023 05:02
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cynic posted:I've had to go through 300+ applicants across 2 vacancies the last few weeks. Most applicants obviously didn't even read the requirements of the job and about 10% of the resumes seem to be fake (stuff like multiple names used, weird things like being at schools in Wyoming and Islamabad at the same time, weird mismatches in location and phone number and so on). It's loving tiring to spend all that time reviewing this poo poo, and then our HR department are so terrible at everything we have managed to get a grand total of 1 applicant in for interview so far. So the job postings AND applicants are fake now? What an age we live in
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Sep 7, 2023 05:11
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I work for myself and this haunts me.
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McGavin posted:gently caress anyone who gives a computer aptitude test and doesn’t accept "I look up how to do it on Google" as an acceptable answer to anything you don't know. Yeah for the test we carried out the entire objective was to show their ability to research and find answers, the implementation part was then literally just “follow the step by step instructions you (hopefully) found in the documentation we gave you” It wasn’t rocket science poo poo either, it was the office 365 admin panel and questions like “where do you add a mailbox” and “how do you revoke someone’s login” which anyone with more than a passing hobbyist interest in computer touching could probably have just figured out by playing with the thing for 5 minutes instead
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Sep 7, 2023 09:14
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History Comes Inside! posted:We temporarily used WhatsApp to coordinate poo poo when Covid popped off and everyone suddenly had to go home but as soon as we got teams up and running on our actual work devices (laptops) I made sure all those groups were nuked. I recently had my boss chew me out for “being on my phone too much”, so I dutifully stopped carrying my phone in my pocket and reverted to the barely working extremely cheap timer for my tasks, and then he was mystified as to why I wasn’t replying to his messages. I don’t work at a computer. Most of the time my phone IS my computer, because my work laptop is on its last legs and takes a solid five minutes to get its poo poo together to work on the extremely large and bloated google sheet that tracks all my brew data. I don’t mind using my personal phone for work poo poo, but if you’re going to give me poo poo about how it looks bad (to who???) that I’m looking at my phone, then I guess you’re gonna have to deal with the inconvenience to everyone when I leave it in my bag. I am very flexible with my hours and the time and care I will give to work outside of hours, up until the point where work starts nickel and diming me on being three minutes late or taking 90 seconds for a vape break because my legs hurt and I need to walk around. I get my poo poo done every day, to a standard far beyond what the owners could ever do on their own, don’t fuckin push it.
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History Comes Inside! posted:We temporarily used WhatsApp to coordinate poo poo when Covid popped off and everyone suddenly had to go home but as soon as we got teams up and running on our actual work devices (laptops) I made sure all those groups were nuked. I have a personal and work phone and have made it excessively clear that my monitoring of the latter ends when I sign off for the day. I'm not interested in dealing with a seven PM freakout when the vendor is closed for the day and the earliest anything will move is tomorrow. I start at six, before the shop floor does and before the vendor does, I'll fix it then. No, I'm not giving you my personal number for "emergencies." I'm not an Amazon storefront, putting in the order tomorrow morning will be just as effective as right now. It's pretty well known that I have a wider range of experiences than a lot of the team and from previous purchasing people they've had. I can jump in and offer ideas or support to most of the people on the team about our systems or on best practices, which comes with varying levels of acceptance or surprise because the purchasing guy just shouldn't put together a three page critique of an operations drawing using 3D models because no supply chain people use TeamCenter heavy client. I'm naturally curious and if something catches my eye I'm going down the rabbit hole, which is what happened yesterday. Designer says HE'LL get on the call with a vendor to explain why the vendor is not able to read his approved and released drawing. The answers were not good and failed to address questions like "Why and where does this edge go from one diameter to another?" and "You list first and second side mounting but only show first side machining. Are we missing pages?" So I do the rational thing of pulling up multiple models and scrutinizing the drawing further before noticing that the measurement lines on the horizontal length shift to align with the inner diameter of a cutaway segment (meaning we're losing up to an inch of material) instead of the actual edge of the part. If you've worked in operations or part design this may make some sense, but if you haven't; this is a massive oversight. What is the actual length being displayed, the sheet metal overhang (that should be the case) or the corner of the sheet metal overhang to the inside of the flange it is welded to? The vendor won't be able to find the interior of the flange because the sheet metal is welded to the flange. Anyways, the point of the story is that it's been a full day and the Design Engineer has no interest in talking to the vendor about the drawing at present. I feel like a rev B is coming. I'm trying to force them into a call on Friday about the drawing because I just kind of want to hear this guy explain why this is one of the most unworkable things I've ever seen.
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I filled out a lot of job apps yesterday using my full government name as opposed to the shortened version I generally use, and today I started getting scam texts addressed to my full government name. Makes me wonder if some of these job apps are just data harvesting schemes 
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Got a reminder email today that Covid absences count the same as any other absence and that we are not to let people not be here without getting attendance points. So yeah I guess we’re all about to get Covid. Become the horseman pestilence and spread that to all the management you can.
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Sep 7, 2023 22:18
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deep dish peat moss posted:I filled out a lot of job apps yesterday using my full government name as opposed to the shortened version I generally use, and today I started getting scam texts addressed to my full government name. Makes me wonder if some of these job apps are just data harvesting schemes Yeah, I have a special email I use solely for applications and it's gotten spammed hard with poo poo from Marriott of all things
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Dameius posted:I've given answers in technical interviews that amounted to, "I'd do $foo using $bar commands but would need to go refresh myself with the man page or just google the syntax because it's not worth keeping that in my head unless I've done it recently," for multiple prompts and gotten an offer. Wouldn't want to work anywhere that'd consider that a failed response. In before submitting physical printouts of your code becomes a requirement pushed by a certain subset of hiring managers with the smoothest of brains
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Thesaurus posted:So the job postings AND applicants are fake now? What an age we live in I think a lot of them were offshore subcontracting companies trying to submit fake resumes to get 'in' with a remote job. We certainly had some who basically said that in the covering letter. Outrail posted:Why are you reviewing 300+ applications if you have an HR department? It's fairly specific and specialist jobs at > 10 years experience and the applications seem to match on the surface, but certainly 80% of them don't have the right kind of skills or background we're looking for. HR don't really have the knowledge to filter a lot of those. Or the staffing. Of those 80% of applicants, 15% are ineligible to work for us for legal reasons, and then the remaining 5% HR manage to piss off before we even get them to interview. However my boss has given me permission to bypass the processes, given me access to HRs hiring systems and our department desperately needs to replace 5 people now, so I guess I'm HR now? cynic fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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cynic posted:so I guess I'm HR now? It's amazing how seductive the dark side is.
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redgubbinz posted:In before submitting physical printouts of your code becomes a requirement pushed by a certain subset of hiring managers with the smoothest of brains Thanks for reminding me that there are going to be Musk stans in hiring manager positions cargo culting his greatest hits.
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cynic posted:I think a lot of them were offshore subcontracting companies trying to submit fake resumes to get 'in' with a remote job. We certainly had some who basically said that in the covering letter. I honestly wonder how many resumes are people just sending their resumes out because they need to show they've applied for jobs for unemployment purposes, whether they actually want the job or not. Dameius posted:Thanks for reminding me that there are going to be Musk stans in hiring manager positions cargo culting his greatest hits. I feel like the clear "finding out" results of his "loving around" stage will discourage that. He reversed course almost immediately when he realized that he would look like an idiot trying to look at code he didn't understand.
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cynic posted:I think a lot of them were offshore subcontracting companies trying to submit fake resumes to get 'in' with a remote job. We certainly had some who basically said that in the covering letter. This reminds me. I got a wild solicitation email recently from a software company that wanted to pay me to take interviews for their company, and then if they were hired to do the job, to attend the weekly scrum meeting which they would pay for. If they landed the job they also offered me like 20% of what the company brought in for the job. Scummy as hell.
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Volmarias posted:I honestly wonder how many resumes are people just sending their resumes out because they need to show they've applied for jobs for unemployment purposes, whether they actually want the job or not. I wish I had your optimism.
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Volmarias posted:I honestly wonder how many resumes are people just sending their resumes out because they need to show they've applied for jobs for unemployment purposes, whether they actually want the job or not. A lot of these job posting sites have incredibly bad search algorithms and UX. Ziprecruiter for example will not allow you to search by job title, when you search it scans the entire posting for the entered words. So if I search for something like "technical analyst" it will pull up jobs titled "technical specialist" and highlight sentences like and "duties include analyzing performance of highly-technical equipment..." and if you click the posting and read it you'll see that it's running a lathe in a machine shop or whatever when what I was looking for was more like technical business analyst. But if that job posting has a 1-Click Apply button you're drat right I'm clicking it instead of reading the job posting, because I have hundreds of other jobs I need to apply to and I'm not going to put more time than I have to into each application. e: I do put extra time in when it forces you to go through a really obtuse ancient application system on their external website though, because I figure there's less competition for jobs that are annoying to apply to. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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My official job title has the word “driver” in it so whenever I let the algorithm just go hog wild on a job site for me I get inundated with actual driving jobs.
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History Comes Inside! posted:My official job title has the word “driver” in it so whenever I let the algorithm just go hog wild on a job site for me I get inundated with actual driving jobs. I'm tempted to remove the section of my resume about being a freelance artist for the last 2 years so I stop getting recommended Sandwich Artist jobs. I guess I should at least change it to illustrator but I fear that will lead to being inundated in graphic design postings.
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History Comes Inside! posted:My official job title has the word “driver” in it so whenever I let the algorithm just go hog wild on a job site for me I get inundated with actual driving jobs. I’m a production supervisor in manufacturing and I live sort of close to LA. I get so many movie and TV jobs emailed to me by the job sites.
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I once liked to think I was blameless, but now I can't pretend anymore.
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I once liked to think that I was to blame because it made it easier to envision a way to fix the problem, but finally getting good mental health treatment made it hard to keep pretending 
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We, like large swathes of tech, had a feel good moment and decided people managers are 'coaches' which lead to an interesting 1 year on linked in getting solicited to buy gym franchises until the algorithm self corrected.
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deep dish peat moss posted:I filled out a lot of job apps yesterday using my full government name as opposed to the shortened version I generally use, and today I started getting scam texts addressed to my full government name. Makes me wonder if some of these job apps are just data harvesting schemes They absolutely are, in addition to many of them but even being real jobs but poo poo more akin to MLM's. I got scores of replies from companies telling me I'd make a great salesperson and "team leader", even though my resume is nothing but illustration, graphic design and printing work.
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Before leaving now we have to catch the plant manager and do a Teams call where we show our screen and show that we replied to all his emails. I have a second interview with another job next Wednesday, wish me luck!
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Before leaving now we have to catch the plant manager and do a Teams call where we show our screen and show that we replied to all his emails. wouldn't he know you replied to his emails... By him checking HIS email?
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Thesaurus posted:wouldn't he know you replied to his emails... By him checking HIS email? He sends a lot of emails, often about banal poo poo that could’ve just never been sent. Then he forgets until a few days later and goes ballistic if someone hasn’t responded. And so we, one by one, share our screen and show the little purple reply thing on all the emails from him.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:He sends a lot of emails, often about banal poo poo that could’ve just never been sent. Then he forgets until a few days later and goes ballistic if someone hasn’t responded. And so we, one by one, share our screen and show the little purple reply thing on all the emails from him.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:He sends a lot of emails, often about banal poo poo that could’ve just never been sent. Then he forgets until a few days later and goes ballistic if someone hasn’t responded. And so we, one by one, share our screen and show the little purple reply thing on all the emails from him. Is this a crime? This should be a crime.
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