[BOOK SPOILERS] Robert Jordan's Waste of Time -- so cheesy but so good

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Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Having read all the books now my curiosity is why doesn�t Mat have any memories of the second age? I think it would have been neat if he did.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 00:35

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CainsDescendant: Dec 6, 2007; Human nature

Joementum posted:

Having read all the books now my curiosity is why doesn’t Mat have any memories of the second age? I think it would have been neat if he did.

Presumably the doorway to the foxes didn't exist then, or at least the people then knew better than to go through it or make any deals, so no one was getting their memories ate up until after the breaking.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 00:57

Pleads: Jun 9, 2005; pew pew pew

Joementum posted:

Having read all the books now my curiosity is why doesn�t Mat have any memories of the second age? I think it would have been neat if he did.

Despite existing during the Age of Legends (or else how did the Aiel bring one to Rhuidean during the Breaking) there presumably wasn't a huge opportunity for war-interested visitors to enter into the Aelfinn and Eelfinn realms. There was like 100ish years between Bore-opening and the Breaking, but the War of Power was only the last 10 years. Compared to Mat's memories, which span something like 500 AB - 1000 AB, it's just a really narrow time frame.

It might also be related to his "the Gambler" soul but I don't remember if it's clarified if the memories he gets from the various generals are all tied to that soul or just all the dudes who visited the doorways.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 00:57

ONE YEAR LATER: Apr 13, 2004; Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!; Oven Wrangler

It's dudez who went through the doorway cause he has memories of both fighting in a battle and dying on the other side of the same battle.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 01:11

Pleads: Jun 9, 2005; pew pew pew

drat how many dudes were they sending through the frickin doorways during those years, then. Maybe the "twisted doorway" is actually a turnstile.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 01:20

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

I didn�t get the sense that all the people he remembered had been through the doorways but I suppose that would explain it.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 01:44

silvergoose: Mar 18, 2006; IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS

That was absolutely the implication yeah.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 01:51

pik_d: Feb 24, 2006; follow the white dove

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Pleads posted:

Despite existing during the Age of Legends (or else how did the Aiel bring one to Rhuidean during the Breaking) there presumably wasn't a huge opportunity for war-interested visitors to enter into the Aelfinn and Eelfinn realms. There was like 100ish years between Bore-opening and the Breaking, but the War of Power was only the last 10 years. Compared to Mat's memories, which span something like 500 AB - 1000 AB, it's just a really narrow time frame.

It might also be related to his "the Gambler" soul but I don't remember if it's clarified if the memories he gets from the various generals are all tied to that soul or just all the dudes who visited the doorways.

It was during the free years, after the Trolloc Wars and up to the point where Artur swept the continent. The 500-1000 After Breaking time period was relatively peaceful so wouldn't have had the military generals that the free years had.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 02:05

FLIPADELPHIA: Apr 27, 2007; Heavy Shit; Grimey Drawer

DTurtle posted:

I am completely fine - though admittedly extremely surprised - with so many people missing it. And yes, I am happy I caught that.

Yeah you've only posted this same sentiment like 4 times now. We get it that you're surprised but I don't think it's as big a deal as your dozen posts are making it out to be

# ? Sep 7, 2023 02:22

Ardlen: Sep 30, 2005; WoT

I'm a big fan of how TV Rand actually has some agency about learning to channel. Book Rand basically muddled through before Lanfear got fed up with him and handed Asmodean to Rand on a silver platter.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 02:33

DTurtle: Apr 10, 2011

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Yeah you've only posted this same sentiment like 4 times now. We get it that you're surprised but I don't think it's as big a deal as your dozen posts are making it out to be

If people hadn�t kept on trying to go :actually:

then I wouldn�t have kept on having opportunities to shoot those bad takes down.

Ardlen posted:

I'm a big fan of how TV Rand actually has some agency about learning to channel. Book Rand basically muddled through before Lanfear got fed up with him and handed Asmodean to Rand on a silver platter.

Despite the scene with Logain being in a teaser, it still took me a while to figure out how deliberate and well-thought out his plan was (execution was a bit lacking with regards to almost killing the other care-taker).

I also liked how many other things they managed to bring up, address, communicate and hint at in those few scenes (street seller tossing him bread, sword training, Selene, Madness/taint, empathy for the downtrodden, etc.). I think his scenes (despite not being too flashy) are a master class of efficient storytelling.

vvv Same for you�

I mean, where would the internet be if bad takes would just be left standing for themselves without rebuttal?

DTurtle fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Sep 7, 2023

# ? Sep 7, 2023 02:33

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

DTurtle posted:

If people hadn‘t kept on trying to go then I wouldn‘t have kept on having opportunities to shoot those bad takes down.

You are aware you can just.... not, right?

# ? Sep 7, 2023 02:42

Pleads: Jun 9, 2005; pew pew pew

pik_d posted:

It was during the free years, after the Trolloc Wars and up to the point where Artur swept the continent. The 500-1000 After Breaking time period was relatively peaceful so wouldn't have had the military generals that the free years had.

Dang yeah that's the timeframe I meant and I just did not realize at all the AB/FY thing whatsoever :downs:

# ? Sep 7, 2023 02:53

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

Ardlen posted:

I'm a big fan of how TV Rand actually has some agency about learning to channel. Book Rand basically muddled through before Lanfear got fed up with him and handed Asmodean to Rand on a silver platter.

On a reread it's apparent how much work Rand did in getting Asmodean. Like he knew who he was from the jump and was muttering about needing to do a trap to get someone to teach him, nominally a Forsaken, from the jump, even pre-Rhuidean iirc.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:34

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

Morrow posted:

My main issue with the Seanchan scene was Suroth's giant impractical throne, which was big enough for three people. Xerxes called and he's jealous. Yes, it neatly demonstrates that she's this unapproachable noble but it's a little odd to be lugging her around on the front lines like that.

Without the giant extravagant pyramid throne literally carried on the backs of 30 slaves, it might not be obvious enough to get through the loving neutronium level density brains of half the people posting in the thread that the seanchan are an empire of slavers.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 03:59

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

I'm not even sure why folks are taking victory laps about tv show watchers missing things that book readers know from having them spelled out for them but TBB probably isn't the place for it.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 05:23

RandomReader: Nov 17, 2021

DTurtle posted:

In the books, don�t we only figure out what the Damane, Sul�dam and A�dam really are when/after Egwene is captured?

Sorta kinda? We definitely get a way more clear and exact explanation of the role of sul'dam and a'dam after Egwene is taken, and not the deep truths until they bust out Egwene. Prior to that though, Domon meets them first (in what I think is there first on screen appearance?) and it's made clear almost immediately that the damane are channeler slaves, and the Seanchan are nabbing more from the populace. (Slightly) Less blindingly obvious is that someone is holding the damane's leash and are the one in charge between the two, and the leash-braclet-collar combo are weird and them being magic was not a twist so much as "so that's what it does." On the other hand, the Domon/Seanchan chapter explaining that much is a big reveal after half a book of rumor mill buildup about stangers, Aes Sedai, and monsters loving around the west coast, so the show isn't necessarily wrong to not explain what's the deal here.

The show's bracer, top piece, and pacifier combo are still dumb as hell, and it's not a good sign for you that you were instinctively on that wavelength.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 06:05

ragnarokette: Oct 7, 2021

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# ? Sep 7, 2023 07:19

El Grillo: Jan 3, 2008; Fun Shoe

silvergoose posted:

That was absolutely the implication yeah.

I literally never figured this out :facepalm: Argh.
Given that he remembers a bunch of them dying, does that mean Aelfinn/Eelfinn when they harvest up peoples emotions/experiences, can harvest them without any regard to whether or not they've already happened in Randland-time?

# ? Sep 7, 2023 09:20

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Joementum posted:

Having read all the books now my curiosity is why doesn�t Mat have any memories of the second age? I think it would have been neat if he did.

The holes in his head were filled with the memories of generals and other warleaders. For most if the Second Age, war was a distant memory.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 10:05

Torrannor: Apr 27, 2013; ---FAGNER---
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El Grillo posted:

I literally never figured this out :facepalm: Argh.
Given that he remembers a bunch of them dying, does that mean Aelfinn/Eelfinn when they harvest up peoples emotions/experiences, can harvest them without any regard to whether or not they've already happened in Randland-time?

I think the implication is that the Finn establish a connection and can look into all the people who made deals with them, up to and including the moment of their death. So basically, once you go through the doorway, imagine the Finn having a wireless cam in your head, transmitting until it shuts down due to you biting it.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 10:09

TURTLE SLUT: Dec 12, 2005

Torrannor posted:

I think the implication is that the Finn establish a connection and can look into all the people who made deals with them, up to and including the moment of their death. So basically, once you go through the doorway, imagine the Finn having a wireless cam in your head, transmitting until it shuts down due to you biting it.

I think Mat spells this theory out explicitly in Knife of Dreams.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 10:31

silvergoose: Mar 18, 2006; IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS

Yeah he explains it to Thom, Jain, and Olver iirc.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 12:52

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

Been looking at the non spoiler thread and it's pretty clear that the new Moiraine/Lan plot seems to be the least liked part of the show. Hope that gets resolved soon and the show can move on from that

# ? Sep 7, 2023 16:06

buffalo all day: Mar 13, 2019

I�m excited to watch the new episode tonight :cheersdoge:

# ? Sep 7, 2023 18:47

Hooplah: Jul 15, 2006

buffalo all day posted:

I�m excited to watch the new episode tonight

# ? Sep 7, 2023 18:50

Pleads: Jun 9, 2005; pew pew pew

I really hope we get the Age of Legends scene of the Sharom of Collam Daan collapsing when the bore is made, whether that comes in a Lanfear-specific episode or once(/if?) Rand reaches Rhuidean. The book description is so good and poignant and I wanna see it (from Lanfear's perspective is ok but I want that wide shot)

# ? Sep 7, 2023 18:56

Torrannor: Apr 27, 2013; ---FAGNER---
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I think Rhuidean is the moment I've most anticipated for this show, I really, really hope they do it justice.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 19:06

Hughmoris: Apr 21, 2007; Let's go to the abyss!

Torrannor posted:

I think Rhuidean is the moment I've most anticipated for this show, I really, really hope they do it justice.

I was looking forward to Mat tuning up Salad and Gawyn but now that dream is dead. Maybe Rand busting out the box is a close second?

If I'm being honest, I don't think the show will get to that point of the story (especially considering the strikes).

# ? Sep 7, 2023 19:13

Arrinien: Oct 22, 2010

I need the show to last long enough to do Golden Crane, they can announce cancellation the same night it airs that's fine.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 19:21

RandolphCarter: Jul 30, 2005

I want to see the flame of Tar Valon.

E: the weave not the symbol

# ? Sep 7, 2023 19:28

Skyl3lazer: Aug 27, 2007; [Dooting Stealthily]

Hughmoris posted:

Mat tuning up Salad

# ? Sep 7, 2023 21:55

Hexel: Nov 18, 2011

Arrinien posted:

I need the show to last long enough to do Golden Crane, they can announce cancellation the same night it airs that's fine.

I just need Dumai's Wells tbh

# ? Sep 7, 2023 21:55

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Just give me Lan vs Demandred and I'll be happy

# ? Sep 7, 2023 22:17

pik_d: Feb 24, 2006; follow the white dove

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Rarity posted:

Just give me Lan vs Demandred and I'll be happy

Nynaeve vs goth mommy Moghedien please

# ? Sep 7, 2023 22:21

Grundulum: Feb 28, 2006

Rarity posted:

Just give me Lan vs Demandred and I'll be happy

Only if Lan is built up to be an actually good swordsman rather than getting the Worf treatment of �trust us he�s good even though he�s constantly getting chumped on-screen�.

# ? Sep 7, 2023 22:22