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ungulateman posted:Notably, these folks are (in keeping with filoni's love of wolves) named after the children of Fenrir that chase the sun and moon across the sky and will devour them during Ragnarok. And given that Ragnarok is both the destruction of the old order and the creation of a new one, that fits. I dunno, there's something funny about 2 lightsaber fallen monks, a witch, and a gas ghost building a giant super hyperdrive all to find a guy whose claim to fame is that he's a bit smarter than your average fascist dumbass that ran the Empire and had such great ideas as "let's build mechanical planets with freakin giant laser beams attached to them" Star Wars.
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I think it's fair to say that Thrawn was probably much smarter than other empire leadership and was only short-sighted about the degree to which other goddamn admirals would massively gently caress up That and not understanding the force and very much discounting it as a weird weapon And I think it's safe to say he's learned from both of those situations If you've never heard of him before he's just a macguffin though, could be a holocron or whatever, but you know he's important because all the characters without exception think he is
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Phenotype posted:The blaster thing is a pet peeve of mine, actually, and I think it comes from how they do their special effects. It's supposed to be that the Jedi can sense the blaster bolt and move the lightsaber to deflect it, (or maybe the Force does it for them on autopilot?) and if you watch Ray Stevenson, he's specifically jerking his saber around to deflect them, and it looks pretty cool. But I think most of the time, the actors aren't doing it purposely like that (or aren't given specific-enough direction like "slice down with the lightsaber, then bring it up and to the left for a second to block a bullet") and so they send it to the ILM team who just CGIs in whatever random lasers that just intersect with the saber anywhere it happens to be. I kind of posted something similar after the premiere: Hazo posted:The opening scene also does something cool with the lightsaber style by mimicking the fast jerky laser-blocking motions from cartoons and video games. Both Clone Wars and Rebels have the saber wielders yoinking their weapons and freezing into different poses to block individual blasts (as opposed to the PT where the Jedi extras were just told to wave their sticks around randomly and they'd add lasers in post), and I always thought it looked kind of dumb and unnatural. But that scene with Baylan marching down the hallway and doing those same kind of quick deliberate motions was pretty intimidating. I agree that it's probably Filoni bringing over his direction from the animated series where he had to actually plan out where characters would put their sabers to block blasters, as opposed to Lucas just lazily having extras wave around their sticks and making ILM add in whatever later on (this is literally what he did btw). HootTheOwl posted:Do Lightsabers have a length dial? Rochallor posted:IIRC this is how Corran Horn's lightsaber worked in Legends, it had a knob that could extend the blade out to like two meters but the blade was prone to shorting out and easy to break at that length. So: Early materials like the Technical Journal and production drawings included stuff like "blade length" and "blade intensity" knobs on lightsaber schematics (usually Luke's or Vader's). The authors/illustrators were just completely making poo poo up so they could label the extraneous bits on the Graflex hilts with  , and everyone just kind of went with it because it was never a plot point in the movies and super-intense nerd culture obsessed with every little thing hadn't really hit its stride yet: (1983)  (1995) Plus, sure, it seems reasonable that the wielder could make small adjustments to the blade length, akin to adjusting focus on a camera lens. But not anything crazy like turning a 40-inch blade into a 30-foot blade. Then Kevin J Anderson came out with the Jedi Academy novels (1994) where a character (Gantoris) got advice from a Sith ghost and learned how to build a lightsaber with multiple crystals--thereafter known as a "dual-phase" lightsaber-- and the user could flip a switch and double the length of the blade. This was considered shocking and incredibly hard to do, which surprised Luke when Gantoris challenged him to a duel and tipped him off that this trainee was probably dabbling in the dark side a wee bit. All that is now Legends, but there's still some stuff about dual-phase that survived into Canon with a few changes. The idea is now that the user literally twists the hilt and realigns the crystals to make the mega-blade. Vader's lightsaber is Canonically a dual-phase but we never see him do it so it's largely pointless.
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Burning_Monk posted:She isn't really ahabing, she straight up tells Sabine to destroy the map if they think they will lose it again. My read on that scene was that Sabine saw Ahsoka go over the cliff and was initially in "I better stall, she's going to come climbing or leaping back over the edge any second now" mode. Then the dark jedi guy is getting closer and closer and calling her bluff and she's realizing that a)Asoka is not coming back and b)this guy just beat Asoka, I have no chance against him as he makes a pitch that she can come with to try to rescue Ezra. Given the choice of "I die, I maybe destroy the map and doom Ezra to being lost forever, or I live and maybe fight back alongside Ezra" she makes a perfectly reasonable decision. Siding with someone doesn't usually involve being held prisoner by them. She just decided her best bet was to be captured until Ezra; that pattern of trusting in your friends is well-established in Star Wars and it's Ahsoka lacking that trust that has been undermining her. "Baronjutter" post="534399098"] Things I don't like. -So many annoying little contrivances to set up the next kewl badass action set piece. Characters splitting up for absolutely no reason, stuff like that. Like if Ahsoka could clown on that dark jedi apprentice lady and just knock her out in 2 seconds, why not stay and help the mandalorian girl finish up, then go get the orb together? It seems very out of character for someone so wise and experienced who was just told to stay together and act as a team by her ancient droid. But it happened because the writers wanted to seperate them. [/quote] Or they were in "teamwork" mode and when your teammate says "Go on, I got this," you go instead of litigating. Sabine clearly had something to prove in that rematch. My problem with that whole sequence is that we didn't have any reason to think that Ahsoka and Sabine knew how close the others were to translating the map into coordinates (and frankly, given they had the map on the planet for a while, I'm unsure why they couldn't do that work until after the last hyperspace engine was in place--maybe they only have one droid that could perform those two tasks?) and it isn't even clear how they knew the map was at that stone circle for certain. If they knew what we knew, the urgency would have been enough reason for Ahsoka to keep going, because "knock out in 2 seconds" is an assumption. Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan had reason to think they were both more experienced than Darth Maul, but they weren't exactly overpowering him together. The real issue, to my mind, is that between writing and direction, the series seems inconsistent in landing all its emotional beats. We keep getting these lingering shots of one character not really changing expression, but when we needed a longer shot of Ahsoka's face and reaction to Sabine telling her to go on, we didn't get it.
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I agree with that reading Sabine at that point had two options, destroy it and die - definitely never see Ezra again OR get captured and brought to Ezra and hero out of it later, which they have done multiple times together in the past
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maybealabia posted:I think it's fair to say that Thrawn was probably much smarter than other empire leadership and was only short-sighted about the degree to which other goddamn admirals would massively gently caress up He woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids and their pesky droid!
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koolkal posted:He woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids and their pesky droid! **Laughs tauntingly in Chopper**
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Sep 7, 2023 03:21
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Ok so I saw season one of visions and a few here in season two: Yes sabers can have their length modified and they do all the time. Also visions had some good episodes
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Sep 7, 2023 03:30
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So are Thrawn and Ezra going to have no idea about the outcome of the war? That should be fun
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General Dog posted:So are Thrawn and Ezra going to have no idea about the outcome of the war? That should be fun Thrawn: The Emperor defeated? It seems impossib- Sabine: Darth Vader tossed him down a big ol' electricity hole at the most dramatic point possible. Thrawn: Okay your story checks out.
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General Dog posted:So are Thrawn and Ezra going to have no idea about the outcome of the war? That should be fun Thrawn's been in contact with the council of holograms apparently
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LinkesAuge posted:(snip) Pretty much agree with all of this. Show feels inconsistent and has no internal logic. The battle that happened with the four of them was basically instantly separated into two duels on top of all. So much for sticking together, huh? Baronjutter posted:It's so weird kinda hate-watching this show and every episode leaving me thinking "why am I watching this? It's never going to get better". Then turning on youtube and it filled with people gushing about how this was without the doubt the best episode of any star wars TV show ever produced. I feel like I'm living in some silent hill dimension where the version of the show I'm being shown is this horrible corrupted version and they're all watching something with amazing writing and action scenes with any weight. Star Wars fandom has become (always been, even worse?) like Marvel/superhero fandom where you've got bunch of youtube videos gushing about the latest episode. This is the current attention economy, all sides of it, and I hate it. I now better understand how my much more cynical friend feels about pretty much all the Star Wars series minus Andor, maybe. The people gushing on YouTube have their own spoon in the game for hyping the show to get views or just don't have a clue. Anyways I definitely get how you feel. I'm entertained and I don't hate watching the show but it could be so much better. Also, Star Wars has never been a treasure trove of intricate dialogue writing but jesus the amount of one liners especially from our antagonists is just.. okay. I like Shin's design, I bet she's the Star Wars crush of so many people now but christ the show isn't giving her any dept and I'm basically begging for the show to do something interesting with her . Baylan at least has...something going on with him so far and the battle scene showed him just forcing through sheer strength/power which was neat.. The antagonists tick "yeah they're aesthetically interesting" but the show isn't doing poo poo with their motivations. Oh the show had literal "Heir To The Empire" line referencing Timothy Zahn's book in a true fan  fashion. I didn't mind that much though.
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Seems like they’ve called him “heir to the Empire”twice, but maybe I’m just thinking of the trailer
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Hazo posted:So: Early materials like the Technical Journal and production drawings included stuff like "blade length" and "blade intensity" knobs on lightsaber schematics (usually Luke's or Vader's). The authors/illustrators were just completely making poo poo up so they could label the extraneous bits on the Graflex hilts with I know the blade length thing is in canon as well, because one of the earliest episodes in Rebels had Kanan reduce the length on his blade to let the (much shorter) Ezra train with it more easily. Not a huge change, and it seemed to take some careful adjusting so not something you casually do in the middle of combat.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:Thrawn's been in contact with the council of holograms apparently Seems like if he can Skype them from another galaxy he could also send coordinates, but technology and communication in Star Wars never really adds up anyway I have to say I have no idea how navigation works in Star Wars, despite this being the third big map-based plot in 8 years.
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Jerusalem posted:Thrawn: The Emperor defeated? It seems impossib- "He did it in order to save his son." "I long suspected that Vader may have had offspring." "Did you suspect his son also blew up the Death Star?" "....No, I did not." "Which he did because Leia Organa obtained the plans. And she was also Vader's kid." "OK now you're just making this up."
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Hyperspace travel isn't just about the destination but also about not running into things along the way. So even if they have clear communication with him (and if they do I reckon it's more like garbled morse code) they might not know how to get there safely.
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Jerusalem posted:Thrawn: The Emperor defeated? It seems impossib- Probably a lot of broken telephone mythologizing of what went down between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. The story that gets spread around the galaxy must be ridiculously overhyped. Like I can only imagine how the story would get warped if I confronted my dad at work to try and get him to quit, then my dad's boss tried to electrocute me, then my dad killed his boss by throwing him out a window, and then my friends torched the place.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Hyperspace travel isn't just about the destination but also about not running into things along the way. So even if they have clear communication with him (and if they do I reckon it's more like garbled morse code) they might not know how to get there safely. Yeah I think space must be a lot denser in their galaxy than in ours.
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Lobok posted:Probably a lot of broken telephone mythologizing of what went down between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. The story that gets spread around the galaxy must be ridiculously overhyped. I think somebody's mentioned it before, but there's something to be said for the fact that any Death Star survivors probably saw or at least were aware that a disturbingly calm Luke Skywalker was marched into the Emperor's throne room in shackles and an hour later they heard the Emperor scream, then Skywalker walked out dragging the dying body of the mighty Darth Vader behind him, took his helmet off presumably to taunt him as he finished the job, then took the body with him as a trophy before the Death Star was destroyed by the Rebel Fleet that had been supposedly caught in an inescapable ambush.
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I liked that...I kinda feel that the episodes could be a little longer but I probably think that because I want a little more action. Then again, I agree with what someone said earlier that, while the action scenes we got this episode were good, they have been largely hit-or-miss. When Ahsoka and company are being attacked by the scram fighters in the last episode, they got hit a lot and it basically seemed to do zero damage. It took a lot of tension out of those scenes. Happy to see Hayden in the flesh, and hopefully we get some nice content for him next episode
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Releasing a film in assembly cut form as a TV series and inviting the audience to refine it into the final product by giving it an incredibly languid pace and repetitive sequences is a boldly subversive act of audience participation I did not expect from Dave Filoni, my hat's off to him.
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Can't wait until we hear big disney ordered a list of reshoots a mile long and brings in Akira Kurosawa from the grave to redirect it.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:and brings in Akira Kurosawa from the grave to redirect it. That worked out well in Rebels.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Hyperspace travel isn't just about the destination but also about not running into things along the way. So even if they have clear communication with him (and if they do I reckon it's more like garbled morse code) they might not know how to get there safely. Battlestar jump calculations probably apply too - you're not jumping at where you see your destination from where you are, you have to calculate where it actually is now, relative to you several hundred/thousand/billion years later. In the local galaxy you're solving for values probably perfected millenia ago. Jumping to a remote galaxy? Good luck without a map tracking where it is now, relative to a fixed point to start from (ie; that planet).
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McSpanky posted:Releasing a film in assembly cut form as a TV series and inviting the audience to refine it into the final product by giving it an incredibly languid pace and repetitive sequences is a boldly subversive act of audience participation I did not expect from Dave Filoni, my hat's off to him. we just got obi-wan
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Does Hera ever wear her goggles in the cartoon? Whenever you see a character who always has goggles on you can bet they’re not going to use them
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I'm like vaguely checking in here but I feel like the macguffin of a secret space map to a magic character got used twice in the sequel trilogy (to find Luke and then to find Palpatine) so it's a little boring at this point. I also agree that the sequel trilogy really failed to stick the landing in terms of 1) being good or 2) creating a good environment for other storytellers. Prequels at least give you some great fodder for telling stories in the Clone Wars or the corruption of the Republic, but the whole Filoni-verse Disney has going pretty much specifically writes around/before them because of the issues involved.
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ungulateman posted:we just got obi-wan I'll fix Obi-Wan right now: *hits delete key*
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I didn’t hate Obi-Wan but mostly just because I wanted to see Ewan McGregor as that character again
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Dr.Radical posted:Does Hera ever wear her goggles in the cartoon? Whenever you see a character who always has goggles on you can bet they’re not going to use them 
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Spookydonut posted:You know in the old EU luke's disembodied spirit possessed EU jacen to fight with a lightsaber and why cant kanan do that with his son Anyway Ahsoka's a bit hit-and-miss for me so far, but I quite liked this episode. The series looks good in any event and I enjoy the classic samurai movie stylings. I'm less enthused about the attempt at de-aging Hayden Christensen here, though. It's not that I'm principally opposed to it - I didn't mind it when they did it with Luke in The Mandalorian and I've never even been bothered by CGI Tarkin in Rogue One, it's just that this particular instance seemed extremely Uncanny Valley to me. It's all right though, I enjoy the idea of Ahsoka and him reuniting. It happening in live action also somehow gives extra validation to TCW, I feel, given that Ahsoka of course never appeared or was even mentioned in the prequels at all. P.S. "You had me at 'hello [Snips]'."
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The real question is whether we will get to hear Hera use her Ewan MacGregor’s wife of 25 years was French so I’m cringing imagining him giving Mary Elizabeth Winstead (who he seemingly left his wife for) tips on how to sound more like his ex.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The real question is whether we will get to hear Hera use her She's been practicing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEL0x9Zn2Yc
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ungulateman posted:Notably, these folks are (in keeping with filoni's love of wolves) named after the children of Fenrir that chase the sun and moon across the sky and will devour them during Ragnarok. And given that Ragnarok is both the destruction of the old order and the creation of a new one, that fits. Thrawns whole point is that he isnt a dude with a lightsaber and can't stand that magic bullshit, which is kind of fun.
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Morrow posted:I'm like vaguely checking in here but I feel like the macguffin of a secret space map to a magic character got used twice in the sequel trilogy (to find Luke and then to find Palpatine) so it's a little boring at this point. Im seriously theorizing that Filoniverse is just going to jump into another galaxy and say "gently caress Disney" at this point. Everything is kind of building up to that. He didn't even do anything on his own show that was set in sequel-verse (Resistance). I honestly think that he doesn't like it and wants to just explore what Lucas and he talked about and if it means created his own pocket universe, thats what hes going to do.
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Snowmanatee posted:Ewan MacGregor’s wife of 25 years was French so I’m cringing imagining him giving Mary Elizabeth Winstead (who he seemingly left his wife for) tips on how to sound more like his ex. I wouldn't worry about Ewan McGregor knowing anything about the French accent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8WWByP8u1o&t=101s
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