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Z the IVth posted:Wasn't there a big hoo ha when it turned out that one of the big Magic artists had... interesting opinions and had to be cancelled? this could be one of several incidents
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Z the IVth posted:Wasn't there a big hoo ha when it turned out that one of the big Magic artists had... interesting opinions and had to be cancelled? That's happened a couple times including a full on Nazi and a sex pest so not sure which you are referring too. Sun think crediting artists is a good thing though.
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Z the IVth posted:Shame the old lore where the Golden Throne was actually situated in Nottingham got retconned. Hah, of course they'd do that.
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Al-Saqr posted:hey man thanks for the long explainer, I guess the people I'm working with are definitely not up for that sort of paperwork, so I'll just do it as stringed missions with special rules per mission based on the codex, the experience points and leveling up thing I think I could do without. Probably wise. My suggestion would be to use a sort of flow diagram that shows what happens if which side wins. That way all the players have a sense of sort of "commitment" and stakes. Here's a couple i made, one is "fluffy" and the other is a bit mechanical  
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Silly newbie question time! When I have a Biovore in my army do I have to pay for the spore mines it launches? Also, who do I have to sell my kidneys to to get some Venomthropes and Maleceptors?
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The app has apparently been updated with point costs and the rules updates and stuff. I'm sure every factions community pages and discords and stuff are having a good old time reacting to them.
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Raged posted:Silly newbie question time! No, the spore mines are free Zoanthropes (dual kit) and maleceptors are really good right now so they’re sold out everywhere
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thebardyspoon posted:The app has apparently been updated with point costs and the rules updates and stuff. I'm sure every factions community pages and discords and stuff are having a good old time reacting to them. hmmmmm I wonder what happened, did they nerf the eldar? did they make the points cost for units reasonable? lets find out!
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The app hasn't been updated for me. It just updated and all of my Tyranid lists went up in points 
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Raged posted:The app hasn't been updated for me. NO really?! they made Tyranids more expensive?
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Zoanthropes went up 30 points Swarmlord is up 20 points Hive Tyrant went up 15 Points Tyrannofex went up 45 loving points Biovore is up 10 Exocrine is up 10 MAleceptor up 5 Tervigon is down 10 Lictor is down 15 Hormagaunts down 5 Genestealers down 5 Thats what I can remeber Raged fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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admech got points drops and skitarii got their old save back but -they still have a very bad army rule -they still have the worst detachment rule in the entire game -there still is only one datasheet in the entire index that actually does anything so it’s gonna be Breachers: The Faction for a while longer
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Sororitas got points cut by 5-10 on just about everything. Only the Exorcist went up it seems. Stuff that's good on missions stayed the same, like both jump units, demonifuge and crusaders. Engines of pains stayed the same too. Headline cuts are 40 points off Warsuits and 25 of the procession. Necrons stayed mostly the same, good stuff went up slightly (Hexmark, reanimator, heavy destroyers) unplayed stuff went down. (ophidians, skorpekh lord) Both triarchs went up quite a bit but warriors went down. Illuminator szeras and the silent king got decent cuts too.
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Raged posted:Zoanthropes went up 30 points Article and PDF's are up on the site - Tervigon got a 10pt discount from the previous cost. 45pts up for the Tyrannofex though, that kinda stings.
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The big question how have they nerfed Eldar? I'm not familiar with the rules. Fate dice still can be used on wound roles
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/07/warhammer-40000-metawatch-changes-abound-in-the-first-balance-dataslate-of-the-edition/ Devastating Wounds no longer cause mortal wounds, but instead bypass armour saves and invulnerable saves. Weapons with this ability can still put out plenty of damage, but it arrives in a single chunk, as normal – a change which makes Devastating Wounds more situational, and which should have a significant impact on the power of the Aeldari in particular. For example, you cannot now shoot an infantry unit with an anti-tank weapon and expect to wipe out the whole squad in one hit because you rolled a 6 to wound.
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oh poo poo the Exaction Arbites squad is now 10 guys and a mastiff that's neat.
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Pretty massive buff to Ruthless Efficiency that Votann desperately needed. Start with 2 Tokens each on 4 units in a 2K game.
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No mechanics or dataslate updates for Tau but lots of tasty points drops. Big fan of fireblade/Breacher/Devilfish now only being 205 points instead of 240 points.
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I am very happy that they nerfed the poo poo out of insane bravery. Only can be used once per battle and must be used before dice are rolled
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Raged posted:Zoanthropes went up 30 points Man just gotta keep kicking 'nids in the balls huh?
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Can fit a whole extra dreadnought or something in all my blood angels lists. Conversely most of my eldar lists are like ~150 over. Necrons army that was 2000pts on the dot last time is still 2000pts.
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My Grey Knight list has just dropped in cost by 300 points lol
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Kitchner posted:My Grey Knight list has just dropped in cost by 300 points lol Yeah I got a whole extra tank for my Armoured Company
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I like the ruins change to Towering, cutting Bondsman in half is probably ok. I'll never get a chance to see Genestealer Cult auto recycling its Battleline units, but that was never long for this world.
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bird food bathtub posted:Man just gotta keep kicking 'nids in the balls huh? Nids made out positively overall when you factor in core rules changes and (often heavy) nerfs to other factions. Custodes and IK in particular were tough to deal with and both got solidly reigned in. The Swarm and Vanguard detachments saw point cuts to their most common units. Our options for scoring improved with 60-70pt Lictor variants and 20pt MSU Rippers. Exocrine points didn't change btw.
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Guess the Deathleaper+3 Lictors+3 Offbrand Lictors will be the new hotness then with the other two detachments that looked solid eating nerfs to Zoanthropes. Winged Prime+Melee warriors seems solid for the points now, provided you're vanguarding it up, maybe even if you're not. Genestealers and Broodlords also getting a discount is pretty spicy. Only Gargoyles didn't go down in points of the Vanguard Invaders. I wonder what you want to throw in for killing tanks and such. Norns maybe?
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They made Kharn a lot cheaper. Used to throw me that he was so much worse, both in combat and as a leader, than the Emperor's Champion or Helbrecht, but costed higher, despite being one of the few units in the game with an active drawback.
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Raged posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/07/warhammer-40000-metawatch-changes-abound-in-the-first-balance-dataslate-of-the-edition/ AdMech getting caught in the crossfire here. Omni-sterilizer on a Manipulus or Dominus seems to be the only thing AdMech have that is considered powerful aside from Breachers and this change should reduce their ability to mow down infantry considerably, right?
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NofrikinfuN posted:AdMech getting caught in the crossfire here. Omni-sterilizer on a Manipulus or Dominus seems to be the only thing AdMech have that is considered powerful aside from Breachers and this change should reduce their ability to mow down infantry considerably, right? they could make AdMech free and it still wouldn't help them out
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NofrikinfuN posted:AdMech getting caught in the crossfire here. Omni-sterilizer on a Manipulus or Dominus seems to be the only thing AdMech have that is considered powerful aside from Breachers and this change should reduce their ability to mow down infantry considerably, right? This change mainly affects weapons like wraithcannons that do crazy damage with a single shot. If that Admech weapon profile has a bunch of low damage attacks then it won't make much difference. They basically work just like before; as multiple attacks that can be allocated across several models.
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Yeah, combi-bolters are technically better now because things that save against MWs don't stop them. I'm probably still not taking WE terms.
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xtothez posted:This change mainly affects weapons like wraithcannons that do crazy damage with a single shot. If that Admech weapon profile has a bunch of low damage attacks then it won't make much difference. They basically work just like before; as multiple attacks that can be allocated across several models. Yeah, I was talking to a friend about it and it looks like it halves its effectiveness versus models with one wound but everything else will basically be the same. Probably for the best if it is throttling big damage guns.
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List brainstorming; probably bad, but I like the ideapre:
Tyranids - Strike Force (2000 points) - Synaptic Nexus
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Neurotyrant (115 points)
• Warlord
• Enhancement: Power of the Hive Mind
Neurotyrant (135 points)
• Enhancement: Psychostatic Disruption
Winged Tyranid Prime (85 points)
• Enhancement: Synaptic Control
OTHER DATASHEETS
Maleceptor (170 points)
Psychophage (125 points)
Screamer-Killer (170 points)
Neurolictor (65 points)
Neurolictor (65 points)
Norn Emissary (290 points)
Norn Emissary (290 points)
Zoanthropes (110 points)
Zoanthropes (110 points)
Neurogaunts (90 points)
• 2x Neurogaunt Nodebeast
• 20x Neurogaunt
Neurogaunts (90 points)
• 2x Neurogaunt Nodebeast
• 20x Neurogaunt
Neurogaunts (90 points)
• 2x Neurogaunt Nodebeast
• 20x Neurogaunt
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:it also just made no sense at all in the universe as established (if sisters are an 8 on the scale of Imperial Purity, Grey Knights are like a 12, why kill them, etc.) which is less of a sin than being gross and edgy, but highlights how there was no purpose to the writing except to be gross and edgy Seriously, Matt Ward’s daemon book hosed WHFB. In middle school I assembled my first and only fully painted Warhammer army. OnG but fully night goblins, 2500 points, helped by the loads of Skull Pass gobbos being sold secondhand from the starter set back then Against most armies I expected to lose but I could win. We had tricks. And I had a smaller high elf army that could be competitive for real. I had a job and no expenses, the best time to buy my toys. But fighting daemons immediately killed interacting with other ham players for like a decade. A no effort daemon army would roll basically anyone who wasn’t reading strata d’y by day and playing dark elves or vampire counts. It was awful. And it was the height of weird Comic Book Guy assholes cheering that they owned someone 15 years younger It was the height of the toxic “no new players, no kids, no women” bullshit that GW thankfully took the correct side against for all their flaws Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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Wasn't that around the time Finecast was introduced as well? Complete nadir for GW, and I'm glad they've righted the ship, mostly.
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More or less yeah, going by the Games Workshop wiki, Finecast was 2011. And Ward worked on both the 2008 and 2013 editions of the WHFB Daemon army book.
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