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yea i really dont know how anyone can look at the way the UC is portrayed and see them as anything but shiny space facists. you'd have to take the propaganda and whitewashing at face value to see them in a positive light, which is kinda the whole point of portraying them this way trizzNPH fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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JerikTelorian posted:I think his implicit trust in you here is because he is the only other person anyone knows to have touched one of these and gotten a weird vision from it and is euphoric to know that he isn’t some weird lunatic like people (even his collection of space explorer weirdos) think. Constellation is edgeless and simple, but I think in large part that stems from the way it’s meant to evoke a nostalgic fantasy of American space age optimism, minus all the contexts which shaped and haunted that fantasy. That is to say, the space race is often thought of (sometimes explicitly, mostly implicitly) as a peak in American cultural history, a time of unity and progress, more or less immediately preceding its fall into cynicism through the Vietnam war, high-profile assassinations, Watergate, etc. Of course there was always turmoil. But in the cultural imaginary, Apollo 11 and the space race could drown out everything else. There was no malaise or confusion. Constellation tries for that spirit out of context, perhaps underestimating how crucial the turmoil beneath it was to defining it. This is not an uncommon tack in contemporary spacefaring sci fi. I made the Star Trek comparison earlier in the thread but the other major touchstone here is The Martian — I haven’t read the book, but the film adaptation at least goes hard on that specific fantasy: capable people from all across the world united to solve a crisis in a work-forward manner, going problem to problem thoughtfully but without hesitation. You could look at The Martian and think, wait a second, would so many national and multinational bureaucracies fall into lockstep so quickly, using all this logistical power and expending all of these resources, rocket fuel, etc, over weeks at a time, all to save a single guy? Would China, previously uninvolved in the entire project to that point, come through in the clutch moment on behalf of said guy? Probably not. But they do, and they do. That world in which everyone comes at everything like an engineer, rolling up their sleeves to Science the poo poo out of things, that’s as much the NASA-punk fantasy as Starfield’s visual design. It’s why other political factions might consider Constellation nerds or dreamers, but still basically trustworthy. They represent all of humanity, the way Stretch Armstrong did. Internally everybody relates collegially and nobody puts a hard stop on proceedings even when things get more metaphysical than they’d like, because that’s not how you Get Things Done. Everyone’s a Gould or a Sagan, nobody’s a Dawkins. Which was probably a good call, tbh.
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Who cares? It’s a video game.
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It is extremely American though. To the point where you wonder if the only people to escape earth were Americans (not impossible given all the NASA stuff everywhere).
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trizzNPH posted:yea i really dont know how anyone can look at the way the UC is portrayed and see them as anything but shiny space facists. you'd have to take the propaganda and whitewashing at face value to see them in a positive light, which is kinda the whole point of portraying them this way Because of the way the UC leadership seems willing to actually respond to problems once made aware in the UC storyline, I unfortunately suspect Bethesda intends you to view them as thought provoking and "possibly just made bad by a few bad apples" rather than categorically bad. Which is not me disagreeing with your conclusion that the UC is terrible, mind, I'm just not convinced that the writers agree.
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Sep 8, 2023 21:39
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Well now I have to make a Taiyo warship in olive green and CCCP theming.
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It is a very Bethesda thing to make it so that the guaranteed companion (Vasco) isn't able to go into the temples.
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Scoss posted:I am successfully using the top DLSS mod from nexus currently with no issues. The game pass filepath is different from steam obviously but the game directory is laid out the same and I just followed the instructions. Good to know, I will try again. Got every other mod working fine, it was just that mod that didn't want to work, even after following the instructions, but maybe I missed something.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean the Freestars are run by the worst kind of capitalists and are afraid to do anything to them because it just isn't done. They also suck. Captain Oblivious posted:Because of the way the UC leadership seems willing to actually respond to problems once made aware in the UC storyline, I unfortunately suspect Bethesda intends you to view them as thought provoking and "possibly just made bad by a few bad apples" rather than categorically bad. Lol come on
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Jeez, this game is the anti QoL game. For example, I have two groups of medikits, the big group legits ones and 2 stolen ones marked with the red icon (which is stupid because how the hell you are going to differentiate between both? whatever). What do you think the game does when you hit the 'quick heal' key? Consume the legal one, not the stolen one, of course. That's silly, but what's bad is the next thing: if I open the inventory and specifically click on the stolen one to heal myself consuming it, it doesn't use it, it uses one of the 'legal' group. Maddening!
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ImpAtom posted:No, they do the covert crap stuff too. They're all business people pretending to be cowboys. Like their leading council is full of utter power-mad shitheads and the closest thing they have to any kind of 'helpful' people are less than a dozen people for every planet in the system, each of which is told to just let anything that might cause loss of profits to slide. Yeah the Ryujin questline showed that the Freestar collective is just as chock full of corporate control as the UC.
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Welp, I’ve started getting repeating POI bases. And there doesn’t seem to be much variation, besides the loot.
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imo this game rules. we got a new bethesda game with lots of cool poo poo and it is stable. the modders can add other stuff later. I am a bit sad that they won't be releasing a gamepass version of starfield script extender, but that just means I will have to rebuy the game on steam at some point in the future.
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trizzNPH posted:yea i really dont know how anyone can look at the way the UC is portrayed and see them as anything but shiny space facists. you'd have to take the propaganda and whitewashing at face value to see them in a positive light, which is kinda the whole point of portraying them this way Because the actual writing doesn't back that up. They are presented as 'hard choices' who can be convinced that working with other groups and doing the right thing is absolutely okay and they even praise and reward you for like exposing their lovely secret ops. Freestar is the same where the writing doesn't actually want to make you dislike them so you can go in and shoot one of their leaders in the loving face and everyone just goes "Huh well ok" despite nearly making GBS threads themselves earlier at the idea of saying something mean. If you look at the actual world they set up, yes, the UC Is a loving monster atrocity and you'd be right to burn them to the ground. In actuality the worst you can do is kind of upset some people while everyone on both sides tries super hard to go "I hate those guys but MAYBE they're not as bad as I think." Private Speech posted:Is that better or worse than some of the "research" UC did though? Not like UC cares about the common man either way, see the well and new atlantis, cydonia, new homestead, etc. If you look into it? Yes, absolutely. They have an incredibly bloody history and a lot of raw scumminess under the hood. Both they and the UC are tediously painted as "making hard choices" in slightly different flavors.
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MarcusSA posted:Who cares? It’s a video game. ok grandpa
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This is the blandest poo poo I've ever experienced even beating my diet after surgery GOTY?
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Rinkles posted:Welp, I’ve started getting repeating POI bases. And there doesn’t seem to be much variation, besides the loot. The way probabilities work it's likely you'll see repetitions long before you see all of them, but yeah they're mostly the same (but IMO still more varied than Skyrims cave/ruin/tomb trifecta).
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So for that Burden of Prood quest, I just teleported all the evidence to me and turned them in. I missed like 75% of the evidence.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Constellation is edgeless and simple, but I think in large part that stems from the way it’s meant to evoke a nostalgic fantasy of American space age optimism, minus all the contexts which shaped and haunted that fantasy. this part in particular is funny to me because starfield is fallout in the other direction instead of nostalgia for a dead world that never existed, it's optimism for a future that might exist the vibe actually does resonate with me, not least because a) optimism is cooler than cynicism and b) Bethesdas efforts with fallout were trash garbage compared to 1, 2, or NV specifically, I can accept their surface level vision of our NASA future more readily than I could accept their offensively anodyne vision of what fallout represented it is possible the quest stories will surprise me with some interesting viewpoints or ideas about this future, but I doubt it  and I'm generally ok with that, as an "original IP" it doesn't carry the creative baggage that they had with either fallout or post Morrowind (kirkbride? though he still consulted) elder scrolls which is to say, it's a Bethesda rear end Bethesda vision of the future, and I can more easily enjoy their flavor of vanilla when I'm not wondering where the snarky fallout is, or the insanity of CHIM
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Before release, Todd Howard mentioned how they used Traveller as their main inspiration. So, having inherited a massive set from a passed relative, I started digging into it out of interest. The system is neat, and I can see where they were 'inspired by,' especially 2300AD. But where it really misses is in how well Traveller handles the massive expense of spaceship ownership and operation. There's almost no expense to speak of and buying and building new ones is relatively cheap - it'd be like pawning a few old car stereos in trade for a brand new Semi that never needs gas. The whole economy in Starfield feels completely tacked-on and low-effort - people will randomly just hand you $2,000 while you're walking down the street for being you. Money means so little and is so easy to come by that it undercuts any struggles the various characters are going through as the result of not having any.
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Kaddish posted:So for that Burden of Prood quest, I just teleported all the evidence to me and turned them in. Can you give some hints for who you can implicate? I managed to get like 3 people in jail but I assume it is many more. Edit: I should have just googled, here it is in case anyone else is looking for it: https://gamerant.com/starfield-all-evidence-burden-of-proof/
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Private Speech posted:It is extremely American though.
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Mark me down as a guy who also appreciates the optimism in this game and the hilariously stark contrast my murder sprees have against it.
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Private Speech posted:The way probabilities work it's likely you'll see repetitions long before you see all of them, but yeah they're mostly the same (but IMO still more varied than Skyrims cave/ruin/tomb trifecta). I wish they found a way of adding some permutability (I haven’t seen any yet, anyway), like what Prey Mooncrash did to add variety to runs. Skyrim dungeons did feel interchangeable after a while, but I don’t think any (or many ) were literal copies. There was usually something unique.
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BULBASAUR posted:somebody had a guide for cheesing fitness, what was it again? thunderspanks posted:If anyone is thinking of maxing out fitness but doesn't want to deal with the insane grind of doing almost 200 full o2 depletions for the challenges, here's a tip: edit: while it's not as good as having a not lovely storage system, maxing out fitness really helps with the encumberance penalties, too thunderspanks fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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victrix posted:this part in particular is funny to me because starfield is fallout in the other direction See, I don't get this at all. There's like no optimism to be found in the world in the slightest. Earth is a ruined hellhole and humanity went to the stars and instantly splinted into Fash, LiberCap and Religious Zealots and had a galactic war involving mechanical weapons of mass destruction vs bio-engineered death beasts. The world is largely stagnant and terrible with most people living in absolute poo poo conditions under horrible rulers and unlike Fallout there's not even any meaningful way to improve their lot in life. poo poo the biggest icon of hope in the game, the Artifact turns out to just be part of an multiversal Battle Royale where the biggest sociopaths in the universe get hold of godlike powers and then are encouraged to go to other universes to continue building up their power, even the 'good' ones.
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skooma512 posted:This goes back to my critique that the game isn't taking into account that many locations are in vacuum and thus, you shouldn't be able to hear gunfire or footsteps. Still need to formally test this since I have Sarah with me and I usually encounter pirates inside places with no room to maneuver. I suppose if you kill one at least they might have something that alerts his squad, like how when you shoot Combine in Half Life 2 they make that boooo-beeeeeep noise and their dispatch calls out unit down. Cut to Sarah walking around on a 0% oxygen moon without a spacesuit Thinking about it, all the space stuff would be a lot more evocative if they actually gave a poo poo about sound design in general for places without atmosphere, the sealed helmets you're constantly wearing, etc.
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If you like your current spaceship, don't do the Mantis sidequest. Especially if your ship is unregistered, as it will delete the contents of your hold on completion.
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah I think the sound design is pretty weak in the game overall. Everything about it is weak At all times as I run around the environments in the game I just wish the time were spent on the next TES game instead Even the skyboxes in this game are terrible.
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Holy crap this game looks 100x better with those hideous washed out color filters disabled. Who the gently caress added those in and said to themselves "yes, this is definitely an improvement." Jesus.
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Moonshine Rhyme posted:If you like your current spaceship, don't do the Mantis sidequest. Especially if your ship is unregistered, as it will delete the contents of your hold on completion. ? My cargo transferred over to the mantis w/ no issue
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ImpAtom posted:Because the actual writing doesn't back that up. They are presented as 'hard choices' who can be convinced that working with other groups and doing the right thing is absolutely okay and they even praise and reward you for like exposing their lovely secret ops. Freestar is the same where the writing doesn't actually want to make you dislike them so you can go in and shoot one of their leaders in the loving face and everyone just goes "Huh well ok" despite nearly making GBS threads themselves earlier at the idea of saying something mean. 
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oswald ownenstein posted:Everything about it is weak Begging people on my hands and knees to stop playing games they hate
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DaysBefore posted:Begging people on my hands and knees to stop playing games they hate Im basically just waiting for the initial blastwave of players to go by. people who hate the game will move on, mods will be aplenty, dlc will be coming, peace on earth in our time also, were you a facepuncher?? i cant msg you but name is hella familiar
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GreatGreen posted:Holy crap this game looks 100x better with those hideous washed out color filters disabled. What mod are you using for that, on that note?
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trizzNPH posted:? My cargo transferred over to the mantis w/ no issue I had a recently stolen ship that was unregistered and it deleted/ moved somewhere all of the cargo.
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DaysBefore posted:Begging people on my hands and knees to stop playing games they hate I don't hate the game, it's just really weak. I've enjoyed everything they've put out - except stuff like Battlespire and Reguard, and of course 76 - but Fallout 3/4 were great, and I loved Oblivion even when this forum poo poo on it 24/7 a decade ago. It's just weak and I'm disappointed and constantly finding new things to be disappointed about
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oswald ownenstein posted:Even the skyboxes in this game are terrible. i have found that where you land on a body has little, if any, impact on the skybox and it drives me fuckin insane i land on the side of a moon facing its parent planet to try and get a nice view of the gas giant it is orbiting and it isn't there, then i land in 20 other spots including poles and still can't see it, it's annoying. in fact i've not found a single moon that's the closest to its gas giant parent in which you can actually see said gas giant from any location on its surface. i wanna build a nice outpost to admire the views, starfield, c'mon.
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ImpAtom posted:See, I don't get this at all. someone hasn't stumbled across the singing starship  (or the magic school bus, lord I wonder how many more comedy one shots are in this) quote:poo poo the biggest icon of hope in the game, the Artifact turns out to just be part of an multiversal Battle Royale where the biggest sociopaths in the universe get hold of godlike powers and then are encouraged to go to other universes to continue building up their power, even the 'good' ones. that's just the diegetic insertion of us as players into Starfield the video game
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