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Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

mobby_6kl posted:

I'm just disappointed, I know we could do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

yeah?

who did the US fight in that one

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Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

vaginite posted:

Anyone else think it's odd that a big chunk of our space program and communications infrastructure is controlled by a private citizen that's gakked on ketamine all the time

no

because I read Catch 22

Disco Pope posted:

<watching the post-apocalyptic episode of Family Guy while drinking Diet Coke>

"This horror can't come to pass."

you don't know what you're talking about

that was American Dad

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:00

EasilyConfused: Nov 21, 2009; one strong toad

Coolguye posted:

18 U.S. Code � 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments. aka the logan act. it's not used often because frankly nobody is loving dumb enough to do what's talked about therein but in the 1850s some rich rear end in a top hat got indicted on it because he sent a letter to a mexican politician and undermined a US treaty currently under negotiation. a rich man with a politicized interest undermined a US effort by pulling private strings. very similar to what musk has done.

does it actually apply? hell i dunno i'm not a lawyer. frankly the fact that you thought it was appropriate to ask this question is hilarious, an act of poor faith and stupidity only topped by me giving it an honest answer from my background reading that had nothing to do with law. but there's a US interest in ukraine, that is undeniable, and elon musk just admitted publicly that he's hosed around with it, that also is undeniable. i'd say that it's more appropriate for you to give a cohesive defense as to why he's got nothing to worry about.

Well this discussion suddenly became a lot more heated for no clear reason.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:16

Jet Jaguar: Feb 12, 2006; Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.

What if we just drop Elon off in Lviv or Kyiv and have him explain to the citizens there what a smart and good guy he is, and how he has the world�s best interests at heart?

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:25

Toxic Mental: Jun 1, 2019

lol I see these freaks on reddit and poo poo going "But Elon did the right thing! ITAR!!!!" and I'm like, dude, no DoD in any administration, nor any NATO ally, nor sane, sensible country is ever going to prosecute you for providing Starlink to Ukraine. Not even a Trump 2024 admin would prosecute Elon for hypothetical arms trafficking laws, not just because he's insanely rich and famous, nor would it actually fall under ITAR law anyways, but also because unless the government is literally a Russian asset, it's not going to happen. Elon and our own government are constantly doing illegal poo poo and nothing will ever happen.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:30

Mederlock: Jun 23, 2012; You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it; Grimey Drawer

Coolguye posted:

18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments. aka the logan act. it's not used often because frankly nobody is loving dumb enough to do what's talked about therein but in the 1850s some rich rear end in a top hat got indicted on it because he sent a letter to a mexican politician and undermined a US treaty currently under negotiation. a rich man with a politicized interest undermined a US effort by pulling private strings. very similar to what musk has done.

does it actually apply? hell i dunno i'm not a lawyer. frankly the fact that you thought it was appropriate to ask this question is hilarious, an act of poor faith and stupidity only topped by me giving it an honest answer from my background reading that had nothing to do with law. but there's a US interest in ukraine, that is undeniable, and elon musk just admitted publicly that he's hosed around with it, that also is undeniable. i'd say that it's more appropriate for you to give a cohesive defense as to why he's got nothing to worry about.

I genuinely was not aware of the Logan act, and it's the first time I've heard it brought up in the context of this Starlink controversy. Reading the text of it, it certainly seems like it could possibly apply. I guess it would depend on the nature of the conversation he had with the ambassador, and it'd be very interesting if :nsa:

had somehow got their hands on a recording of it.

I truly didn't ask you that in bad faith, I know this ain't D&D but unless I had a history of disingenuous posting itt I don't think it's fair to claim that. Ignorance of obscure American law ≠ Bad Faith.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:31

fondue: Jul 14, 2002

zone posted:

the arch nemesis of blyatman

https://youtube.com/shorts/DnRkrzOonSc?si=Xsl-Z8Pwaop_Ed06

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ComfyPants: Mar 20, 2002

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine-time/story?id=103031722

quote:

The Biden administration is likely to send Ukraine long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, to help in its fight to repel the Russian invasion of its territory, according to U.S. officials.

"They are coming," said one official who had access to security assistance plans. The official noted that, as always, such plans are subject to change until officially announced.

A second official said the missiles are "on the table" and likely to be included in an upcoming security assistance package, adding that a final decision has not been made. It could be months before Ukraine receives the missiles, according to the official.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:36

Rev. Bleech_: Oct 19, 2004; ~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

PinheadSlim posted:

Played too much Skyrim and think that if you accidentally kick someones chicken the entire town will murder your rear end

suddenly a swarm of cuccos appears over the Finnish border

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:36

sporkstand: Jun 15, 2021

ComfyPants posted:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine-time/story?id=103031722

hells ya

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:40

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

Mederlock posted:

I genuinely was not aware of the Logan act, and it's the first time I've heard it brought up in the context of this Starlink controversy. Reading the text of it, it certainly seems like it could possibly apply. I guess it would depend on the nature of the conversation he had with the ambassador, and it'd be very interesting if had somehow got their hands on a recording of it.

I truly didn't ask you that in bad faith, I know this ain't D&D but unless I had a history of disingenuous posting itt I don't think it's fair to claim that. Ignorance of obscure American law ≠ Bad Faith.

ok sorry then, it definitely seemed like yet another instance of "prove to me you're not a complete fuckin' moron" that SA tends to love for some reason.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:42

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

i really, really wish the US would just sail a gerald ford through the dardanelles into the black sea and dare russia to do something about it lol

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:43

Mederlock: Jun 23, 2012; You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it; Grimey Drawer

Coolguye posted:

ok sorry then, it definitely seemed like yet another instance of "prove to me you're not a complete fuckin' moron" that SA tends to love for some reason.

nah I get it, we've had enough driveby bad faith shitposts itt, didn't take it personally

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:46

naem: May 29, 2011

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:59

weg: Jun 6, 2006; Reassisted Retrogression

ComfyPants posted:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine-time/story?id=103031722

# ? Sep 9, 2023 02:59

Sashimi: Dec 26, 2008; College Slice

ComfyPants posted:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine-time/story?id=103031722

loving finally.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 03:04

Toxic Mental: Jun 1, 2019

Good

# ? Sep 9, 2023 03:07

repsnake: Sep 1, 2002; Post: the cereals you love the most

naem posted:

They're really just glorified food trucks. You could squeeze a few forward operating burger bases in between the MRAPs on the plane. Can't wait for our next war, where Colonel Sanders' brigade will be drone-dropping KFC family buckets into active combat zones.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 03:40

istewart: Apr 13, 2005; Still contemplating why I didn't register here under a clever pseudonym

naem posted:

# ? Sep 9, 2023 03:51

PainterofCrap: Oct 17, 2002; hey bebe

repsnake posted:

They're really just glorified food trucks. You could squeeze a few forward operating burger bases in between the MRAPs on the plane. Can't wait for our next war, where Colonel Sanders' brigade will be drone-dropping KFC family buckets into active combat zones.

Hit 'em while they're shittin'

# ? Sep 9, 2023 04:06

lushka16: Apr 8, 2003; Doctor of Love; College Slice

The problem is this: the Constitution doesn't specifically say "laws apply to you if you're wealthy."

This was done on purpose.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 04:20

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

repsnake posted:

They're really just glorified food trucks. You could squeeze a few forward operating burger bases in between the MRAPs on the plane. Can't wait for our next war, where Colonel Sanders' brigade will be drone-dropping KFC family buckets into active combat zones.

Wolfgang was doing it first

https://www.forces.net/news/wolfgang-bratty-man-legend-cold-war

# ? Sep 9, 2023 05:38

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

ORBITAL DROP SNACK TROOPER

# ? Sep 9, 2023 05:38

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

ORBITAL DROP SNACK TROOPER

lmao don't disparage the good name of the 47th Ohio Gravy Seals like that

# ? Sep 9, 2023 05:41

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

Meanwhile Canadian Forces have in their kit at all times the materiel to set up a temporary tim hortons

# ? Sep 9, 2023 06:08

Jonny Nox: Apr 26, 2008

bunnyofdoom posted:

Meanwhile Canadian Forces have in their kit at all times the materiel to set up a temporary tim hortons

Canadian forces needed to hitch a ride to Afghanistan

# ? Sep 9, 2023 06:34

stab: Feb 12, 2003; To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high

bunnyofdoom posted:

Meanwhile Canadian Forces have in their kit at all times the materiel to set up a temporary tim hortons

# ? Sep 9, 2023 06:34

CannonFodder: Jan 26, 2001; Passion’s Wrench

HonorableTB posted:

i really, really wish the US would just sail a gerald ford through the dardanelles into the black sea and dare russia to do something about it lol

I wish we could send the Kitty Hawk in there just to see how she would fare against an equal opponent, because she was the last non-nuclear powered aircraft carrier, but she was decommissioned and sent to salvage. Sad to see her go.

Right now the USS George H W Bush is patrolling the Mediterranean and would be the likely candidate to go there, but also can just chill near Greece and Turkey and send planes that way.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 06:51

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

CannonFodder posted:

I wish we could send the Kitty Hawk in there just to see how she would fare against an equal opponent, because she was the last non-nuclear powered aircraft carrier, but she was decommissioned and sent to salvage. Sad to see her go.

Right now the USS George H W Bush is patrolling the Mediterranean and would be the likely candidate to go there, but also can just chill near Greece and Turkey and send planes that way.

Russia does not possess anything that would be considered an equal opponent to the Kitty Hawk, much less the H W Bush

# ? Sep 9, 2023 06:57

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

not even shoes can hit the bush

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:12

butt dickus: Jul 7, 2007; top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players

ded posted:

not even shoes can hit the bush

you're thinking of the newer model, this one barfs all over the japanese

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:22

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Ukraine captured a fully new T-90M.

Lol

Just Lol

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:29

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

quote:

he officials also said the Russian military had moved key command posts and headquarters to better-protected positions out of range of Ukrainian artillery.

However, they noted that "Russian personnel still frequently communicate sensitive information through unsecure channels."

The ISW said that Russian forces still faced a formidable communications challenge due to the disparity of units operating in the same regions of Ukraine.

"Russian command is likely struggling to share information and create a common command space across these widely disparate forces defending against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations," the ISW said.

Well we just gotta ATACM.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:32

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

ATACMS if you got 'ems

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:35

Mederlock: Jun 23, 2012; You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it; Grimey Drawer

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Ukraine captured a fully new T-90M.

Lol

Just Lol

lmbo the Pentagon is gonna pay them a pretty penny for that one I'd wager

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:35

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Well we just gotta ATACM.

Still using unsecured channels, huh? Reminds me how in the beginning Russia bragged about their super advanced new comms system, which they couldn't use because the advancing grunts cut down the GSM towers that were required for it to work, so they had to revert to caveman communications.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:43

Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻

Burns posted:

I am sure whatever Elon's end will take form it will be exceedingly ironic.

No, no, no.

moronic.

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:50

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Alan Smithee posted:

yeah?

who did the US fight in that one

You can click the link to find out

ComfyPants posted:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine-time/story?id=103031722

I'll believe it when I see them but lol because I've had people repeatedly explain that the US just doesn't have any to spare out of thousands thar were made in case ??? invades

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Sep 9, 2023

# ? Sep 9, 2023 07:52

Bashez: Jul 19, 2004

I'm surprised they're getting atacms before m26. It seems like the m26 would be extraordinarily useful with the current status and there was a lot of chatter about them a month ago.

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redshirt: Aug 11, 2007

I hope this is the straw that breaks Musks back.

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