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The Oldest Man posted:Nah he's talking about this thing Malleum posted:thank you, elevating masts are really cool and stupid. best fad of the 80s This is the future they took from us.
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Hatebag posted:the us can't build ships, low levels of seamen, all the existing ships are rust buckets, the admirals spent all the money on hookers and blow, they have no counter to hypersonic missiles, and the navy's power is based entirely on aircraft carriers which would all get instantly obliterated by cruise missiles on day 1 of a peer war. badass sounds like the Navy needs to practice seamen retention, I heard it's a good way to grow more powerful
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Fell Mood posted:My industry is in the private sector, not military, but it is so loving depressing trying to scrounge around and make ancient equipment work. Especially when you know the money to update exists it's just being siphoned elsewhere because the system has rotted. I feel for those guys in the nuke silos. I get the sense that this is every industry now. Neoliberalism may have started with targeting the government and extracting value created through public investment, but industry itself, then arguably productive work itself became the target. It sort of makes sense, because the "perfect" economy is just value increasing on spreadsheets traded back and forth, that's the most efficient form of financial capitalism possible, but ... lol there is a material reality that exists and will intercede. Mostly because I don't know how they intended to control the sites of actual productivity in perpetuity. Supposing you could outsource everything and then use your spreadsheet dollars to purchase real goods from the developing world, they would still ultimately be the source of everything you use in your daily life. They still have control, right? Not in purchasing power, while you have so many more spreadsheet dollars than you pay for the productive work, but in all practical terms. If, for some reason, they used a different currency, for example... why would the value you create on spreadsheets be worth anything to them at all when it doesn't represent anything? Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:03 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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Punished Turtle posted:ðə ɪŋglɪʃ læŋgwədʒ ɪz stupədli ænd hæphæzərdli spɛld aj əsum du tu drəŋkən ænd ɪnkampətənt sæksən ɔr nɔrmən məŋks ril læŋgwədʒəz ar spɛld æz rɪtən ænd ɪt ɪz tajm fɔr ɪŋglɪʃ tu dʒɔjn madərnəti Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty readable and with experience would be perfectly natural. No such thing as a perfect orthography, of course.
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Frosted Flake posted:I get the sense that this is every industry now. Neoliberalism may have started with targeting the government and extracting value created through public investment, but industry itself, then arguably productive work itself became the target. Therein lies the crux of the matter and why terms like food and water security matter. An infinite money spreadsheet doesn't import more food & treasure if there is simply none to be had for exchange. We could point to Zimbabwe over and over and people still wouldn't get it. Edit - we're dealing with people who understand so little about how the world works that food magically comes from stores and iPhones grow on trees somewhere out of sight. DancingShade has issued a correction as of 02:47 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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When even the trains are testing 100% positive for meth you know your empire has a strong bedrock and stable future. https://www.kptv.com/2023/09/07/100-sampled-max-trains-test-positive-low-levels-meth/ I don't know if this is better or worse than mass lead poisoning from Roman aqueducts.
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DancingShade posted:When even the trains are testing 100% positive for meth you know your empire has a strong bedrock and stable future. The best part about this is that meth testing is also itself a scam
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spiritual bypass posted:does that test distinguish prescribed amphetamines? they're using https://www.skcinc.com/products/airchek-xr5000-sample-pump-high-power-li-ion to collect the samples. not reported what tests are used. study is by https://deohs.washington.edu/faculty/marissa-baker. not really sure if that field is a bullshitty one or not but I'm guessing the sampling is just being done for presence/prevalence as a proxy for drug use. im guessing since it's air sampling (or surface samples from where particles would get deposited) whatever test they use wouldn't be picking up prescribed amphetamines or the one extremely rare methamphetamine prescription anyway Slavvy posted:The best part about this is that meth testing is also itself a scam sort of. since this is an academic project im guessing they are using one of the real tests and not whaterver they do on piss
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:sounds like the Navy needs to practice seamen retention, I heard it's a good way to grow more powerful thread title
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Regarde Aduck posted:it's a real shame nukes exist because there's no better time for the PLA to invade and fix Americans Hate to break it to ya but America's gonna be China's Afghanistan.
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The glorious PLA locked in a struggle against y'all kyeda, the proud boys and the shattered remnants of the democratic party would be a sweet game tbh
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Slavvy posted:y'all kyeda Nascar-e-taiba
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:sounds like the Navy needs to practice seamen retention, I heard it's a good way to grow more powerful The US won't be able to protect its precious fluids
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gradenko_2000 posted:Nascar-e-taiba   
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lmao the bahrook brothers riot
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https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1700079867348320720 Only a matter of time until the DPRK has ballistic missile submarines of their own.
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I dunno what tickles me more, the guy whose job it is to fling the flag into the breeze or Kim’s Panama hat
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DancingShade posted:When even the trains are testing 100% positive for meth you know your empire has a strong bedrock and stable future. this is just typical media fearmongering to justify more drug war funding
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1700079867348320720 It seems like a heavily revised Romeo class but it seems like it could carry 10 intermediate ballistic or cruise missiles. It is a pretty big step forward.
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90s Solo Cup posted:Hate to break it to ya but America's gonna be China's Afghanistan. They will probably just try to control the strategic ports and let the hinterland fall apart. Maybe sign 99 year leases for various treaty ports.
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sullat posted:They will probably just try to control the strategic ports and let the hinterland fall apart. Maybe sign 99 year leases for various treaty ports. Functionally the same as the current regime. Actually no, it's better, they don't even invest in the ports.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-launches-new-tactical-nuclear-attack-submarine-kcna-2023-09-07/quote:Analysts said the vessel appears to be a modified Soviet-era Romeo-class submarine, which North Korea acquired from China in the 1970s and began producing domestically. Its design, with 10 launch tube hatches, showed it was most likely armed with ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, analysts said. It's not supposed to survive the war, dummy, neither are ours. Missile subs are as good as dead the minute they launch, the point is just to survive long enough to press the button that vaporizes every major naval base in Japan. How do you get to be "a former U.S. government weapons expert" and not know that? Yes I know it's just the propaganda line but come on
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Danann posted:Just realized that the M10 Booker From the correct angle a Sherman Easy Eight could KO a t-72, or a Leopard or whatever
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Danann posted:Just realized that the M10 Booker The standing answer is that it is not supposed to fight main battle tanks unless it absolutely has to, really. it’s supposed to fire HE and other rounds against stuff like machine gun nests and light bunkers and buildings and other fortifications and gun emplacements that can otherwise halt or severely impede an infantry unit. If it spots an enemy MBT, it might better off taking cover and having the nearby infantry use a TOW or Javelin. The intent (whether wise or not) is a vehicle that acts like a mobile bunker with a direct fire assault gun capability, not to go toe to toe with enemy heavy armor formations.
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Do you want me to print out a sign in 50 different languages that says "I'm a mobile bunker with a direct fire assault gun capability, not a tank, please don't go toe to toe with me"?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Do you want me to print out a sign in 50 different languages that says "I'm a mobile bunker with a direct fire assault gun capability, not a tank, please don't go toe to toe with me"? the Fair War Doctrine only allows the shooting of unarmed brown people
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oh no! that is clearly not a tank, and all i brought was anti tank weapons!! 
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Delta-Wye posted:oh no! that is clearly not a tank, and all i brought was anti tank weapons!! All I bought along was a bunch of cannons and I have neither a galley to mount them on nor a splash of water to sail. Useless, useless cannons.
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Delta-Wye posted:oh no! that is clearly not a tank, and all i brought was anti tank weapons!! That's why you have to aim for the combat vehicle's belt buckle
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gradenko_2000 posted:Do you want me to print out a sign in 50 different languages that says "I'm a mobile bunker with a direct fire assault gun capability, not a tank, please don't go toe to toe with me"? You also can’t make every single truck mortar team, artillery piece, troop carrier, machine gun team,and air defense vehicle capable of going toe to toe with a heavy tank unit, especially in the offense. You can’t reasonably make 100% of your vehicles into anti-tank vehicles. A decent alternative is having at least some AT capability in the formation. Stuff like ATGMs and other direct fore weapons.
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mlmp08 posted:You also can’t make every single truck mortar team, artillery piece, troop carrier, machine gun team,and air defense vehicle capable of going toe to toe with a heavy tank unit, especially in the offense. You can’t reasonably make 100% of your vehicles into anti-tank vehicles. A decent alternative is having at least some AT capability in the formation. Stuff like ATGMs and other direct fore weapons. You can if you're unreasonable about expectations and run spreadsheet sims that inform strategic planningrrrrrrrrr with probabilities that aren't based in reality. i.e. All of our stuff works 100% of the time including countermeasures, all of their stuff is trash garbage that barely works 25% of the time. Computer, compute!
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I guess my point is that while a booker may be ok or may be bad in the end, if your reasoning of reason why a vehicle to support the lightest infantry formations you have is bad is that this tool should not be your primary choice to fight heavy tank units, then you’re backing yourself into the stupid corner of “every vehicle in my light infantry unit has to be a tank.” Its secondary mission is some anti-armored vehicle capabikity (but that reads more like armored in the sense of BMPs not MBTs) quote:That is the mission the M10 Booker is designed to fulfill on behalf of and in support of the infantry soldier,” Dean said. “An armored vehicle intended to support Infantry Brigade Combat Teams by suppressing and destroying fortifications, entrenchments, and gun systems, and, secondarily, providing protection against enemy armored vehicles. Maybe it’s bad. Maybe a truck or an MG or a field gun is bad. but they might not be bad for the reasons that they aren’t designed to fight MBT formations. mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 14:55 on Sep 9, 2023 |
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Crazycryodude posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-launches-new-tactical-nuclear-attack-submarine-kcna-2023-09-07/ And lots of assumptions they didnt you know, change the propulsion system to something thats more modern and quiet. Downplaying adversaries constantly is how you get china popping a sub a few miles from a US naval battle group without anyone noticing and whoops china has like 50x time naval production we do
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Yeah, everything is trade off between capability, weight, cost etc. and after a point you just have to rely on your force composition to fill in everyone else’s gap. And if you want MBTs only, I guess the Merkava exists now?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Propublica: The Inside Story of How the Navy Spent Billions on the "Little Crappy Ship" McCain held a hearing, where he excoriated the Navy. “The story of this ship is one that makes me ashamed and embarrassed as a former Navy person and as a person who’s responsible to the taxpayers of my state,” he said. (McCain died in 2018.) The US will lose WW3(McCain died in 2018.)
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fanfic insert posted:McCain held a hearing, where he excoriated the Navy. “The story of this ship is one that makes me ashamed and embarrassed as a former Navy person and as a person who’s responsible to the taxpayers of my state,” he said. (McCain died in 2018.) i suspect mccain was just mad that somebody was gonna steal his thunder wrt causing financial losses to the us navy
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mlmp08 posted:You also can’t make every single truck mortar team, artillery piece, troop carrier, machine gun team,and air defense vehicle capable of going toe to toe with a heavy tank unit, especially in the offense. You can’t reasonably make 100% of your vehicles into anti-tank vehicles. A decent alternative is having at least some AT capability in the formation. Stuff like ATGMs and other direct fore weapons. it's literally got a high velocity 105 and the m1a2's fire control system and optics though
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