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Shard posted:If the stories were good and matches were good why did it do poorly financially.? Because quality and profitability are not closely intertwined.
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Not to mention that while the TV product was good WCW's house show business was ineptly run from the start so even if TV got hot it rarely transferred over due to a bunch of dumb WCW mistakes they really didn't correct till they hired Zane Bresloff in 94
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MassRafTer posted:Came after a really weak year that did a lot of damage to the company's key stars and markets and with some really stupid marketing ideas. Was 89 the year they moved their headquarters and offices to Dallas?
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STONE COLD 64 posted:Was 89 the year they moved their headquarters and offices to Dallas? 89 was the first full year they were owned by Turner
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lotta great debuts that year too, muta, cactus, eddy i think, Scott Steiner!
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Gary Hart isn't a bad heel manager. Al Perez and Shane Douglas both exist. The Fantastics are not the Midnight express outside the ring, but they are a good team inside the ring.STONE COLD 64 posted:Was 89 the year they moved their headquarters and offices to Dallas? I think they moved to Dallas at the end of '87.
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Mr Hootington posted:Gary Hart isn't a bad heel manager. Al Perez and Shane Douglas both exist. The Fantastics are not the Midnight express outside the ring, but they are a good team inside the ring. Hart is not on Heenan's level but he's honestly about as polished when it comes to speaking. He would probably have been even better if he was not also high as a kite on the dankest of bud at the time.
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Gary Hart was the best manager of all time. And then after that you can get into booking all the great stuff in wccw that lead to their boom period.
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i always loved this and its something i wish dynamite would have done on the onset
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Conclusive proof that Hulk Hogan is in fact white. Oh man, Bam's face at the end.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i always loved this and its something i wish dynamite would have done on the onset I like the idea in theory but cases like this where they just did it during the match really annoyed me. Even if it wasn’t a big important match, it made the match and the wrestlers feel like such afterthoughts.
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Another reason Cornette sucks: he said Gary Hart wasn't a good manager because he didn't do the "begging away" schtick that he'd do when confronted by a face. Sorry Jimbo, but while you're a sack of moldy potatoes in a ugly sports coat, Hart seriously looked like he stab you as soon as look at you. Which wasn't far from the truth (Hart carried a straight razor with him at all times, and once threatened one of the Fullers with it.)
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Gary Hart was cool as hell. He's one of those big time underrated managers/valets that I studied a lot of back in the day. Dude was captivating, a killer on the mic, and sold you on Abby by being convincing and cold himself. If someone who felt like they could take care of business is telling you his guy is a big deal, you believed it.
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Man, I thought this poo poo was so cool and big time when they did it.
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TheKingslayer posted:Man, I thought this poo poo was so cool and big time when they did it. you can tell the jump from child to adult because as a child this owns and youre like the audience cheering all the funny lights and explosions an adult is Bam Bam Bigelow looking like "just what the gently caress is this im trying to work here couldn't you have loving waited"
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Hogan's contract probably somehow got him a cut of the pyro budget.
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Davros1 posted:Another reason Cornette sucks: he said Gary Hart wasn't a good manager because he didn't do the "begging away" schtick that he'd do when confronted by a face. Sorry Jimbo, but while you're a sack of moldy potatoes in a ugly sports coat, Hart seriously looked like he stab you as soon as look at you. Which wasn't far from the truth (Hart carried a straight razor with him at all times, and once threatened one of the Fullers with it.) Gary Hart was 6'3 and around 240lbs, he can't really beg away. Dude was bigger than most of the wrestlers his guys were facing. And also yeah, he was a proper tough guy and he had an amazing mind for the business.
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Animal-Mother posted:Hogan's contract probably somehow got him a cut of the pyro budget. He probably owned the company that supplied them.
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Also you want your managers to be different. If all of them are cowering cowards it really just lowers how effective they can be. Having one be a coward and another a tough guy means the acts are different which is a good thing!
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cornies top 5 best gimmicks: cowardly manager, cowardly gay manager, angry man, racist angry man, black person
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Gary Hart wasn't a great manager but he certainly was a good one.
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MrBling posted:Gary Hart was 6'3 and around 240lbs, he can't really beg away. Dude was bigger than most of the wrestlers his guys were facing. Yeah, it takes talent to not overwhelm your guys when you're bigger than they are. Same with Slick.
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You're telling me Cornette has exactly 1 idea for what a wrestling manager should be and it's just a carbon copy of himself??? Unbelievable!
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Cornette is the best cowardly manager, jj dillon was the best braggart who constantly was owned manager, hart was the best tough guy, ellering is the best why are you here manager, Paul jones was the best absolute psycho manager
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Sherri was incredible and she committed 100% to whoever she was managing. I miss her.
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There’s a manager at my local indie who sang an a cappella rendition of Batista’s theme while his guy came out doing the machine gun and the ring crew let off party poppers in place of pyro, he’s the best manager imo
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Gary is not the best manager but his book is one of the best wrestling (auto)biographies.
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larry sweeney was one of the greatest managers of the modern era of wrestling and it depresses me he was taken from us far too soon
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Larry Sweeney was the first wrestling death that absolutely shattered me. He really was incredible.
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Mr Hootington posted:Cornette is the best cowardly manager, jj dillon was the best braggart who constantly was owned manager, hart was the best tough guy, ellering is the best why are you here manager, Paul jones was the best absolute psycho manager Honestly Heenan was the best cowardly manager until his back gave out. Just the complete package. Jimmy Hart was also really good but you have to watch Memphis stuff for it and that's not to all tastes.
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Dawgstar posted:Honestly Heenan was the best cowardly manager until his back gave out. Just the complete package. Jimmy Hart was also really good but you have to watch Memphis stuff for it and that's not to all tastes. I've never watched Heenan
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