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Freakazoid_ posted:yeah I probably should have said comfortable too, but in my mind they're mostly the same meaning. why would one prefer something uncomfortable? More of a psychological question than a political one... There are definitely plenty of people who seek out uncomfortable situations, though they probably wouldn't describe them that way
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BiggerBoat posted:Gee, I wonder how FOX News and talk radio will report on this? Eventually 'In a 6-3 decision, SCOTUS has rules that the IRS cannot audit as it compels honest speech'
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Wayne Knight posted:Same. I just saw “They Live” in theaters as part of an anniversary showing, and it’s a great movie. I hope the people that made it really intended for it to be taken at the surface level of “no, really, they’re just aliens, capitalism is the monster here” https://twitter.com/TheHorrorMaster/status/816486706186596352 Even in the eighties, Carpenter framed the movie as a reaction against Reaganomics. His core idea was that the aliens were interstellar capitalists treating the entire planet like the US treats third-world countries. Rebel Blob fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Sep 9, 2023 |
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James Garfield posted:It's still polls. The 2022 polls did okay if you remove partisan pollsters (like Trafalgar publishing 10000 polls with a vibes based methodology to get the founder time on Fox News and Data For Progress manipulating polls to help the founder make money gambling on election results). The margin of error is just bigger than people think, and there's only so much polls can tell you 14 months before the election. Past that while Democrats beat the polls it wasn't by all that much: there were lots of very loud people shouting that Democrats were going to do even worse than the polling indicated and a huge red wave was incoming. Some of them were based on past trends, like the incumbent party losing seats in midterms or midterm voters being older and more conservative. Others were just projecting their personal beef with the Democrats into "everyone agrees with me" like how clearly Biden caused this inflation on the right or surely voters will remember Democrats cheated them out of $600 on the left. They tended to also be people who (whether in glee or horror) predicted red waves in 2018 and 2020. The fact that propaganda works means that you do not need to be one of those people or even like those people for it to color your expectations.
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haveblue posted:Please give the most insane poll answers you can think of, for the thinkpieces Years ago, a pollster called my cellphone, and towards the end there they asked about my religion, so I told them The Satanic Temple, since that was the truth. They were initially flustered then said they'd just put me down as "No Response" despite my assuring them I wasn't pulling their leg or trying to be edgy.
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Rebel Blob posted:
And I mean it's extremely obvious! Like... not subtle at all lol. God people suck.
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Rebel Blob posted:Good news, from the writer/director: BonoMan posted:And I mean it's extremely obvious! Like... not subtle at all lol. God people suck. There's a phrase that comes up often when talking about conservatives: "Every accusation is a confession". When you look at world history, antisemitic conspiracy theories are the first example of that.
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Nazis also try to invade and co-opt everything, like punk rock and Star Trek.
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Name Change posted:Nazis also try to invade and co-opt everything, like punk rock and Star Trek. Even when the show says "Nazis gently caress off" in very simple words.
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Name Change posted:Nazis also try to invade and co-opt everything, like punk rock and Star Trek. Nazis (and fascists in general) are utterly incapable of creating anything so they just steal.
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Angry_Ed posted:Nazis (and fascists in general) are utterly incapable of creating anything so they just steal. That, and, it makes sense. You want people to agree with you that Jews are secretly space lizards trying to turn your babies gay by manipulating the global markets? Or at the very least, you want your group to be on everybody's minds? So what do you do? You latch onto Popular Thing and try to make sure people associate Popular Thing with your group. And if anyone tries to push back on it, you double down because that still means people are paying attention to you and there's no such thing as bad publicity. And as long as modern-day Nazis are still on someone's lips, then they're still relevant and still out there and more people can get exposed to your message and maybe even join your ranks.
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Twincityhacker posted:Even when the show says "Nazis gently caress off" in very simple words. At least at a punk show you can generally get away with line-driving a nearly-full can of beer off a Nazi’s head. ABPN.
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MrYenko posted:At least at a punk show you can generally get away with line-driving a nearly-full can of beer off a Nazi’s head. That reminds me of a year or two ago when Mike Ness jumped off stage to beat up a red hat who'd somehow thought that Social D was just an apolitical rock band, and was loudly dismayed to learn otherwise. Good times.
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BonoMan posted:And I mean it's extremely obvious! Like... not subtle at all lol. God people suck. If you've been raised your entire life to believe that capitalism is the perfect economic system that literally gives everyone more freedom, it's kind of hard to actually process any criticism of it.
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Even if your work literally says "there can be no justice under capitalism" you will have fans arguing that no, actually they only meant these very specific corruptions of an otherwise perfect system. Capitalism cannot fail, it can only be failed.
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Young Freud posted:There's a phrase that comes up often when talking about conservatives: "Every accusation is a confession". When you look at world history, antisemitic conspiracy theories are the first example of that. I'm currently reading Zealot by Reza Aslan. It's a historical history of Jesus. In it he talks about the ridiculous story of how the bible white washes Pontious Pilates actions (he was notoriously terrible and was documented as so apparently) and instead transposes the final decision of crucifixion onto the Jews themselves. Which makes no sense whatsoever of course. He talks about how this is likely because once the Christian movement moves out into Rome... they had to retcon the Romans as "not evil" and instead put that blame on the Jewish population with a nonsensical story. Feels like that's the origin story for all of this.
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BonoMan posted:I'm currently reading Zealot by Reza Aslan. It's a historical history of Jesus. I very vaguely remember from my cathechism days that there was a story that went like that. Pontius has Jesus and some other dude who was convicted of a crime up in front of the crowd and says "Alright, y'all can have one pardon, who's it gonna be?" And the crowd chooses Not Jesus, which leads to Jesus' crucifixion.
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the_steve posted:I very vaguely remember from my cathechism days that there was a story that went like that. That's how I remember it. The biblical account was Pilate offering Jesus or Barabbas to the crowd for mercy, expecting them to select Jesus. The priesthood instead incited the crowd to call for Barabbas's release. Matthew 27 posted:15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the festival to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16 At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[b] Barabbas. 17 So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?” 18 For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him. Kammat fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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zoux posted:Good news, Joe loving shithead Biden passed the most significant climate change legislation in US history. it came as a pleasant surprise when that happened, but let's not kid ourselves: it's a drop in the bucket in terms of what is actually needed
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I've always liked that a pivotal moment in a major world religion was basically an episode of the Jerry Springer Show where the crowd gets too rowdy, and the host just shrugs at the camera and walks off.
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the_steve posted:I very vaguely remember from my cathechism days that there was a story that went like that. Everyone should read the short sci-fi story about this, Let's Go To Golgotha! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Oi8z0G3vbi1GfHy
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the_steve posted:I very vaguely remember from my cathechism days that there was a story that went like that. Barabas, we want Barabas.
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Kammat posted:That's how I remember it. The biblical account was Pilate offering Jesus or Barabbas to the crowd for mercy, expecting them to select Jesus. The priesthood instead incited the crowd to call for Barabbas's release. Why did the priesthood do this?
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BonoMan posted:I'm currently reading Zealot by Reza Aslan. It's a historical history of Jesus. A running theme of the four gospels is criticizing fundamentalism and religious scenarios where tradition is made more important than people. Like Socrates' death, the protagonist of the story being killed because of offending religious sensibilities is probably more the point of the text than a incoherent retcon to please an outside power. I don't think Pilate comes off very well at all though. He tortures Jesus, offers the crowd a sadistic trolly problem between two prominent members of their society, and then mocks him before ordering his execution. The trauma and fallout of the First Jewish–Roman War was fresh among the diaspora (including the emergent Christian movement) when the gospels were authored, so I don't think the intended audience had any trouble seeing Pilate and the Roman authorities as absolute monsters.
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Ither posted:Why did the priesthood do this? The Pharisees, the priesthood of Judea, feared the power of the revolutionary Jesus. Jesus smashed up the money changers' tables, depriving them of tithes; protected and comforted the marginalized; and gained an enormous following in a short time. MixMasterMalaria posted:A running theme of the four gospels is criticizing fundamentalism and religious scenarios where tradition is made more important than people. Like Socrates' death, the protagonist of the story being killed because of offending religious sensibilities is probably more the point of the text than a incoherent retcon to please an outside power. I don't think Pilate comes off very well at all though. He tortures Jesus, offers the crowd a sadistic trolly problem between two prominent members of their society, and then mocks him before ordering his execution. The trauma and fallout of the First Jewish–Roman War was fresh among the diaspora (including the emergent Christian movement) when the gospels were authored, so I don't think the intended audience had any trouble seeing Pilate and the Roman authorities as absolute monsters. This may have been the point of the Gospels, but we know that the victors not only can rewrite history, but rewrite scripture to minimize their crimes. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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MixMasterMalaria posted:A running theme of the four gospels is criticizing fundamentalism and religious scenarios where tradition is made more important than people. Like Socrates' death, the protagonist of the story being killed because of offending religious sensibilities is probably more the point of the text than a incoherent retcon to please an outside power. I don't think Pilate comes off very well at all though. He tortures Jesus, offers the crowd a sadistic trolly problem between two prominent members of their society, and then mocks him before ordering his execution. The trauma and fallout of the First Jewish–Roman War was fresh among the diaspora (including the emergent Christian movement) when the gospels were authored, so I don't think the intended audience had any trouble seeing Pilate and the Roman authorities as absolute monsters. That doesn't account for the blood curse text in the gospel of Matthew https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_curse Also, Barrabas was purported to be just a regular murderer as far as I'm aware, not a prominent person at all. Basically, read Zealot. I haven't read it in like 15 years but it's pretty decent iirc
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Ever since I found out the purpose of the money changers, I've always found that passage to be kind of an rear end in a top hat move. Basically: so you do animal sacrifice at the Temple, but instead of hauling your dove/lamb/ect. for several days and possiblely have it become injured and unritually pure for sacrifice, you raise you dove/lamb/ect. then sell it in your home area, then make the journey and buy a *new* animal sacrifice there. And since the Jewish people were in multiple empires at that point, you also had different currencies. And then when the animal was dead, the meat was sent to Ye Olde Foodbank for the poor. So you have people, essentially, being cut off from doing their relgious duty and Jesus doesn't even say what to do instead as an alternative. He just smashes the place up and leaves.
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Twincityhacker posted:Ever since I found out the purpose of the money changers, I've always found that passage to be kind of an rear end in a top hat move. Except the moneychangers weren't doing this out of the goodness of their own hearts, they were there to make a profit. They were doing that old capitalist move: "making people paying for the convenience". \/\/ Yeah, the temple had become a marketplace and not a place of worship. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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A big reason the moneychangers were in the temple was because Roman coin was stamped with the face of the emperor, and because the emperor was worshipped as a living god, donating Roman coin was a violation of the 1st Commandment. It's been a decade plus since college but IIRC Jesus' throwing the moneychangers out of the temple was emblematic of him rebelling against Jewish authority in general. Everything about the temple, from who was allowed in to where certain groups of people were allowed to physically stand, was regimented and controlled to the point of the entire enterprise being run as a business. Jesus' broader point was "none of this poo poo matters, let people worship".
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Froghammer posted:A big reason the moneychangers were in the temple was because Roman coin was stamped with the face of the emperor, and because the emperor was worshipped as a living god, donating Roman coin was a violation of the 1st Commandment. That theory is questionable given that they were changing money into coins from Tyre, which used a different image of god (Melkart), but still an image of god.
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BonoMan posted:He talks about how this is likely because once the Christian movement moves out into Rome... they had to retcon the Romans as "not evil" and instead put that blame on the Jewish population with a nonsensical story. I'm pretty doubtful of this explanation, it sounds like backfilling. The gospel of Matthew was written before 100ad, likely when Domitian was in charge and persecuting Christians and Jews alike to enforce the Roman religion (incl syncretism with the Egyptian gods) and his own imperial divinity. There would be no cause or desire to frame the Empire as 'not evil' then.
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Bwee posted:Zealot is not serious scholarship and shouldn't be treated as such No, but it's a beach read for people who don't want to waste their lives with minutiae about poo poo that didn't happen
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SpeakSlow posted:...so how is jorp doing anyways? He is Typing like this For some reason
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:He is
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SpeakSlow posted:...so how is jorp doing anyways? He's still an edgelord weirdo.
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the_steve posted:I very vaguely remember from my cathechism days that there was a story that went like that. Yeah it's discussed in depth in the book but the basic conclusion is that this story makes no sense. The Jews would not have NOT picked Jesus... and Pilate never did that kind of poo poo anyway. He was so known for recklessly sending everyone instantly to their death that there were formal complaints lodged against him in Rome. It was just a way to absolve the Romans of killing Jesus to make the story more palatable to the Romans they were evangelizing to.
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