Cpt_Obvious posted:

The pat socs are weird as hell. This guy will claim to be a communist but also to vote for billionaires Donald Trump. Even measure head made more sense.

stephenthinkpad posted:

Regarding John Mearsheimer, I happen to think he is very consistent over the years and his argument make sense from the US point of view.

If you think of American as a single entity who has a single national interest, not a neo liberal hegemonic beast being pulled by 10 different money interests, yeah the US should have allied with Russia against China a long time ago, around the early Obama era. Every Chinese who have read the Three Kingdoms can see that.

It's not China's fault if the Americans are being blinded by emotional hatred toward the Slavs. In this case, hating the Slavs more than the Communists!?

AnimeIsTrash posted:

american seeing a play dough burger and trying to eat it

Pomeroy posted:

If they did that, the resulting Franco-German-Russian bloc would be impossible to keep subservient in the long run, and the American empire doesn't have allies, it has vassals and enemies.

3 posted:

stephenthinkpad posted:

Still a better situation to the US than where the world is going now. Kissinger would have done that.

Also, the CIA has a lot of dirt on the German politicians.

genericnick posted:

What G20 related thing was it again, that China skip out on because modi wanted to do it in kashmir? Wasn't that this year also?

OhFunny posted:

China to boycott G20 meeting hosted by India in Kashmir

As the title says. China and Pakistan are boycotting the upcoming G20 meeting due to it being held in disputed terrority of Kashmir.

Mantis42 posted:

https://twitter.com/Catri_catcat/status/1700646094315934145?s=20

KomradeX posted:

Theres a lot to criticize about America's failing sociey and its crumbling infrastructure. But I cant help but feel something sloghtly racist about this. Maybe its just because an Aussie was speaking and the rainbow flag for the US, just something is off

Mister Bates posted:

the person they're quote-tweeting is a strasserite so you're probably onto something there

KomradeX posted:

Theres a lot to criticize about America's failing sociey and its crumbling infrastructure. But I cant help but feel something sloghtly racist about this. Maybe its just because an Aussie was speaking and the rainbow flag for the US, just something is off

FrancisFukyomama posted:

https://x.com/mayer_iras/status/1700623987439538644?s=46
Didn’t they already try making an American BRI and failed bc forgiving loans and not grifting is antithetical to the neoliberal way of doing things

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

right wing "hygiene" enthusiasts falling in love with china

quote:

‘I don’t want to contain China,’ Biden says in Beijing’s backyard

And he repeated that phrase — again and again.

“I don’t want to contain China,” he said during a news conference in Hanoi shortly after elevating the U.S.-Vietnam relationship and palling around with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. “We’re not trying to hurt China.” Under his watch, Biden said America’s goal is “getting the relationship right” between the world’s two foremost powers.

Biden’s team has said previously it doesn’t aim to curb China’s rise, even when it imposes strict export controls on technologies crucial for its military development and takes steps to move closer to other countries in Asia. But the remarks, and the setting of the message, is the strongest signal the administration has sent to Beijing that it doesn’t want to foment a new Cold War.

But Biden denied that his presence halfway around the world from Washington was intended to boost America’s regional standing at China’s expense. “It’s not about containing China,” he repeated. “It’s about having a stable base, a stable base in the Indo-Pacific.”

“We think too much in Cold War terms,” Biden told reporters who peppered him with questions about the state of U.S.-China ties. “I am sincere about getting the relationship right.”

“I just want to make sure we have a relationship with China that is on the up and up, squared away. Everybody knows what it’s all about,” Biden said.

It’s not clear Beijing knows. Last week, China’s top security agency said that any future meeting between Biden and Chinese paramount leader Xi Jinping would hinge on U.S. “sincerity” for meaningful dialogue. The president hopes to meet his Chinese counterpart face-to-face at a gathering of Pacific nations later this year in San Francisco, especially since Xi didn’t attend the G20.

Biden suggested that he hasn’t met with Xi in 10 months because the Chinese leader “has his hands full” with a sputtering economy.

“He has overwhelming unemployment with his youth. One of the major economic tenants of his plan isn’t working at all right now,” he said, adding that Beijing’s woes are “less likely to cause that kind of conflict” between the U.S. and China. “It’s not like there’s a crisis if I don’t personally speak to him.”

Biden has one more day in Vietnam. Though he will meet other senior Vietnamese officials, the highlight will be the president’s visit to a memorial of a former Senate colleague, the late John McCain. The Arizona Republican was notoriously held as a prisoner of war in Hanoi, and Biden will pay his respects with Vietnam War veteran John Kerry alongside him.

quote:

Soon after I arrived in Hanoi, the text was revised on the monument to John McCain next to Trúc Bạch Lake. When McCain visited in May 2015, I brought him and the other senators traveling with him to see the clean, improved monument. The Vietnamese pejorative prefix “Tên” before McCain’s name had been replaced with “phi cong” or “pilot.” McCain’s name was spelled correctly. The repairs had been done quietly, with no fanfare.

I learned that Phạm Quang Nghị (then Secretary of the Hanoi Party Committee) had instructed that the changes be made. Prior to Nghi’s meeting with McCain, the marker had read: “NGÀY 26-10-1967 TẠI HỒ TRÚC BẠCH QUÂN VÀ DÂN THỦ ĐÔ HÀ NỘI BẮT SỐNG TÊN JOHN SNEY MA CAN THIẾU TÁ KHÔNG QUÂN MỸ LÁI CHIẾC MÁY BAY A4 BỊ BẮN RƠI TẠI NHÀ MÁY ĐIỆN YÊN PHỤ. ĐÂY LÀ MỘT TRONG 10 CHIẾC MÁY BAY BỊ BẮN RƠI CÙNG NGÀY.”

Translated, this said: “(On 26 October 1967 at Truc Bach Lake, Hanoi’s people and armed forces captured USAF Major John Sney Ma Can who flew the A-4 aircraft shot down at the Yen Phu power plant. His was one of ten planes shot down that day.”

In early 2015, it was revised to read: “NGÀY 26-10-1967, TẠI HỒ TRÚC BẠCH QUÂN VÀ DÂN THỦ ĐÔ HÀ NỘI BẮT SỐNG PHI CÔNG JOHN SIDNEY McCAIN THIẾU TÁ KHÔNG QUÂN THUỘC LỰC LƯỢNG HẢI QUÂN HOA KỲ ĐÃ LÁI CHIẾC MÁY BAY A4 BỊ BẮN RƠI TẠI NHÀ MÁY ĐIỆN YÊN PHỤ. ĐÂY LÀ MỘT TRONG 10 CHIẾC MÁY BAY BỊ BẮN RƠI CÙNG NGÀY.”

Translated, this says: “On 26 October 1967 at Trúc Bạch Lake, Hanoi’s people and armed forces captured U.S. Naval Air Force Lieutenant Commander John Sidney McCain who flew the A-4 aircraft shot down at the Yen Phu power plant. His was one of ten planes shot down that day.”

The differences are: (1) the correct spelling of McCain’s name; (2) the correct identification of his rank and military branch (USNAF, not USAF); and (3) by dropping TÊN from TÊN PHI CÔNG, which makes the text becomes more formal and fair. TÊN is a classifier for despicable individuals such as enemies, thieves, robbers, cheaters, and rapists.

FrancisFukyomama posted:

https://x.com/mayer_iras/status/1700623987439538644?s=46
Didn’t they already try making an American BRI and failed bc forgiving loans and not grifting is antithetical to the neoliberal way of doing things

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/abovetheclouds/status/1541504100394799109

yeah there's like a few years worth of attempts at it

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This gets to the nut of my intense curiosity regarding this edict. How much of it is nationalism — the CCP turning up the dial on the inherently jingoist mindset of a police state — and how much of it, if any, is about the fact that iPhones are secure, and their security is outside the reach of the CCP? The Chinese government surely wants to surveil what government employees do on their phones, and iPhones make that harder.

Lastly, where does Apple’s unique relationship with the Chinese government play into this? Apple remains dependent upon China for manufacturing, the iPhone in particular. They make some iPhones elsewhere, but the overwhelming majority are assembled in China, and there’s no other supply chain on earth that can replace it today. That’s a terrible starting point for any negotiation. But: China gets a lot from Apple. Over the course of my lifetime, China has been fighting to change the perception of what “Made in China” stands for. It’s always meant cheap. It used to also imply shoddy. Apple is the feather in China’s cap. iPhones aren’t just the nicest phones in the world — they’re arguably the nicest and most complex mass-produced consumer products in any category. And they are made almost exclusively in China.

The Chinese government surely bristles at the pariah status of Huawei globally, but there’s no plausible scenario where any Chinese company achieves the sort of prestige Apple has. Huawei phones, at best, are third-rate, and everyone knows it, including everyone in China.2 If China maintains its symbiotic relationship with Apple, China will remain firmly associated with the most prestigious technology brand in the world. If not, and Apple migrates its primary manufacturing elsewhere, China again drops to being associated only with second- and third-rate products. Even worse, the best company — in that scenario — would have chosen to part with China. China gains enormous prestige from Apple; Apple takes a reputational hit from its reliance upon a brutal human-rights-violating communist dictatorship.

Perhaps China feels free to antagonize Apple out of the belief that Apple cannot eliminate its dependence upon Chinese manufacturing. But even if that’s true, the message to other companies (say, carmakers) eyeing a move to Chinese assembly would be this: once you grow dependent upon China we’ll screw you like we screwed Apple. China’s intended message to the world isn’t merely that they’re the most capable nation for manufacturing, it’s that they’re also a trustworthy and dependable partner.

This sandbagging of Apple regarding iPhone usage by government employees says the opposite: that China cannot be trusted as a partner.

So here’s how I tally the detente. If Apple can ease away from its dependence upon China for manufacturing, they might. But the risk is that doing so will upset the Xi Jinping regime and Apple will suffer in consumer product sales within China. (Perhaps that’s what we’re seeing now?)

If Apple does ease away from China, though, who can China replace them with? Who could they tout as a world-class technology company that relies upon China for manufacturing? Second place is so far behind Apple you can’t see it.

Centrist Committee posted:

lets see how apple pr is handling the mate pro and govt iphone ban:

https://daringfireball.net/2023/09/china_apple_cold_war

ahh, very good, thank u tim apple

comedyblissoption posted:

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1700698155124228558

Centrist Committee posted:

lets see how apple pr is handling the mate pro and govt iphone ban:

https://daringfireball.net/2023/09/china_apple_cold_war

ahh, very good, thank u tim apple

OhFunny posted:

Trudeau and the whole Canadian delegation are stuck in India due to some problem with their airplane.

comedyblissoption posted:

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1700698155124228558

Centrist Committee posted:

lets see how apple pr is handling the mate pro and govt iphone ban:

https://daringfireball.net/2023/09/china_apple_cold_war

ahh, very good, thank u tim apple