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Sep 10, 2023 14:32
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Eh, I feel like I'm willing to give Lula a break on this one. Not because I think Lula genuinely believes that Russia is anything but an imperialistic rear end in a top hat. But Russia is not really a threat to Brazil. The US is. So it makes sense that Brazil might not want to do anything that burns bridges with someone they might at some point in the future want to use their 'nuclear power' privileges to help them out. So I figure Lula is on the 'we're not gonna outright help Russia, and we'll even vote to condemn it' but we're not gonna make enemies. And I feel that the amount of 'enemy making' that they earn by 'not arresting a HoS when it enters' would hurt them far less than the amount they would by arresting him, and it wouldn't really gain them all that much.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:34
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Today I had a haircut done by a very nice Ukrainian woman. We talked quite a bit about Ukraine and she talked about how much she misses it. She left in 2016. Our conversation was a lot about geography and where I wanted to travel post war. The lady was astounded at my level of geographical knowledge of the country. She was from Kharkiv, so family there. Finally you post your sources.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:37
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Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left?
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Sep 10, 2023 14:38
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redshirt posted:Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left? It's just babushkas and they're having a hard time making molotovs with all the rooskie standard drunk up from the stress. They're also somewhat incontinent from poor health care and abuse from the patriarchy all their lives so mobility is iffy.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:43
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Shogeton posted:Eh, I feel like I'm willing to give Lula a break on this one. Not because I think Lula genuinely believes that Russia is anything but an imperialistic rear end in a top hat. But Russia is not really a threat to Brazil. The US is. So it makes sense that Brazil might not want to do anything that burns bridges with someone they might at some point in the future want to use their 'nuclear power' privileges to help them out. So I figure Lula is on the 'we're not gonna outright help Russia, and we'll even vote to condemn it' but we're not gonna make enemies. And I feel that the amount of 'enemy making' that they earn by 'not arresting a HoS when it enters' would hurt them far less than the amount they would by arresting him, and it wouldn't really gain them all that much. No gently caress Lula. He could've easily said something generic as to not make any commitments instead of this: quote:“I believe that Putin can go easily to Brazil,” Lula said. “What I can say to you is that if I’m president of Brazil, and he comes to Brazil, there’s no way he will be arrested.” And that's despite the decision of arrest being theoretically entirely in the hands of the judiciary. redshirt posted:Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left? Check the maps post previously. There are some major defensive lines but overall I suspect it's just going to be like this all the way to the coast.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:47
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LordArgh posted:have you considered that countries can do things for reasons other than as a reaction to something the US did at some point in history If even the mighty Russia is only capable of doing things as a reaction to what the West does then what hope does Brazil have of any agency?
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Sep 10, 2023 14:49
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Shogeton posted:Eh, I feel like I'm willing to give Lula a break on this one. Not because I think Lula genuinely believes that Russia is anything but an imperialistic rear end in a top hat. But Russia is not really a threat to Brazil. The US is. So it makes sense that Brazil might not want to do anything that burns bridges with someone they might at some point in the future want to use their 'nuclear power' privileges to help them out. So I figure Lula is on the 'we're not gonna outright help Russia, and we'll even vote to condemn it' but we're not gonna make enemies. And I feel that the amount of 'enemy making' that they earn by 'not arresting a HoS when it enters' would hurt them far less than the amount they would by arresting him, and it wouldn't really gain them all that much. it's entirely in line with their other policies like being Bucha truthers, propagating against sanctions or really any consequences at all for Russia, and promoting a peace deal which essentially is just "give Russia everything it wants". now they also explicitly support war criminals coming and going to Brazil as they please. but they're doing it for entirely self-serving reasons, so that does make it all better.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:51
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BRICS gonna BRIC.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:53
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Sep 10, 2023 14:54
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Lula is weakly positioned and knows it, he'll bend over backwards to appear open and welcoming to basically any potential ally at the moment. Even total pieces of poo poo. Still would be better to see a denouncement rather than open arms, but Poots isn't going to risk a visit so it's irrelevant grandstanding either way. Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:56
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I am glad we're finally getting a new Tingle game on the switch 2
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Sep 10, 2023 14:58
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Lula isn't thinking straight because Bolsonaro was close to Putin, just like Trump. One of the biggest leftist brainworms is the idea that US foreign policy doesn't change with the party in power.
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Sep 10, 2023 14:59
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Freshly-Picked Putin's Rosy Rupeeland.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:00
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The X-man cometh posted:Lula isn't thinking straight because Bolsonaro was close to Putin, just like Trump. it's just internet leftists who think that, tbh. you can see some examples of it in these very forums in fact
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Sep 10, 2023 15:03
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redshirt posted:Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left? what does your heart tell you
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Sep 10, 2023 15:04
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mobby_6kl posted:Check the maps post previously. There are some major defensive lines but overall I suspect it's just going to be like this all the way to the coast. Not really, mapped defensive lines stop near major towns like Tokmak + there are also more defenses near Melitpol and Crimea 
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Sep 10, 2023 15:06
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Sashimi posted:The scaffolding makes it look like someone's building a concert stage over a jet. Probably U2 cuz much like the spy plane even that old poo poo can get AirPlay
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Sep 10, 2023 15:08
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:it's just internet leftists who think that, tbh. you can see some examples of it in these very forums in fact Internet leftists and the president of Brasil
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Sep 10, 2023 15:09
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redshirt posted:Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left? A lot depends on the state of Russian reserves. There are theoretically multiple defensive lines remaining between Ukraine's forces and their immediate objective of Tokmak. If their reserves are bad enough, those rear lines will barely be speedbumps. If their reserves are good enough, they'll be able to make the defense hold even outside of prepared lines, at least buying time to erect more prepared defenses further back. Nobody here can say for sure what the situation looks like, but Russia looking to mobilize 200k additional soldiers does not paint a great picture of Russia's reserve situation.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:13
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1700872247605338394 Is losing ground on a front that was supposed to be impregnable to advances a good thing? asking for an angry monkey with a big table
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Sep 10, 2023 15:16
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I also wonder if Russia's going to be able to build up more defensive lines further back if the counteroffensive has to stop for the winter/mud season like I've seen a lot of people suggesting.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:17
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BRICS are making their own ICC to rival the one that issued an arrest order on Putin. The first annual International Criminals Convention will be held in Brazil. Lula has stated he is all for this because, quote, America bad, end quote.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:18
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redshirt posted:Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left? No one, probably not even the Russian leadership, could give you a precise and good answer right now. We have lots of pics of trenches Russians dug all over as back ups, and even some auxiliary mine fields. But can they man them, defend, and supply them adequately? There are plenty of posts from Russians begging their own leadership for more ammo, men, and support all over while the Ukrainians make very incremental gains. So all we can conclude at this point is that things don't look good for the Russians but not what that might mean in a week or 2. Its entirely possible the Ukrainians are forced to a standstill due to mud season or their own men getting exhausted in that time frame. Or maybe we see some limited, but significant breaks, at key points in the Russian lines and the Ukrainians are able to exploit those and attack the Russians from the rear. The latter possibility would be the most favorable for Ukraine at this point. So that is what I'm hoping for but I've no clue, and I don't think anyone else does right now, how its going to turn out or how exactly its going over all if they really make some sort've big break through.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:22
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Americans bankrolled the guys who put Lula in jail on fake premises and did a judicial coup, it's not exactly a shock that he isn't playing ball with American interests. Sucks, but it's a case of Americans laying down rakes to step on later.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:22
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BRICs got the name because they’re countries that are Badly Run by International Criminals.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:23
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making GBS threads BRICs
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Sep 10, 2023 15:24
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McGavin posted:BRICs got the name because they’re countries that are Badly Run by International Criminals. IMO the BRICS are indeed full of poo poo about a lot of things but so has been the West and the US when it comes to foreign policy regarding them in the past so we are kinda reapin' what we've sowed here. That being said if Lula was real smart here he'd try to play US and Russian interests against eachother as best possible to get some sweet MIC or trade deals for his country rather than just (however justified) finding ways to flip the bird at the US or the West.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:28
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steinrokkan posted:Americans bankrolled the guys who put Lula in jail on fake premises and did a judicial coup, it's not exactly a shock that he isn't playing ball with American interests. Sucks, but it's a case of Americans laying down rakes to step on later. You don't need to love or even like Americans to hate and oppose homicidal dictators starting war on a whim because of imperial ambitions, while encouraging a system of openly committing war crimes and terrorizing civilians in the areas that aren't outright ethnically cleansed like the Nazis did some 80 years ago. Especially if you are an elected president from an actually democratic country. Also, which part of Russia USA attacked to cause this war and make it "America's war", I forgot again?
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Sep 10, 2023 15:30
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https://www.newsweek.com/russian-general-admits-ukraine-just-stepping-stone-invade-europe-1825776quote:Akey Russian general who Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted this week views the invasion of Ukraine as a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:37
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zone posted:https://www.newsweek.com/russian-general-admits-ukraine-just-stepping-stone-invade-europe-1825776 America invaded Iraq?? Russia is encircled by NATO and very spooked. did you know Lithuania once had some Nazis in it.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:41
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steinrokkan posted:Americans bankrolled the guys who put Lula in jail on fake premises and did a judicial coup, it's not exactly a shock that he isn't playing ball with American interests. Sucks, but it's a case of Americans laying down rakes to step on later. "Americans" are not a monolith. The Americans who bankrolled Bolsonaro's coup were aligned with Putin and say that the US should stop supporting Ukraine. The Americans supporting Ukraine are the ones who denied asylum to Bolsonaro and sent him back to Brasil to face justice. What you're saying is if like if Biden banned Lula from the US because Brasil had genocidal policies against indigenous people from 2019-2022.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:45
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McGavin posted:BRICs got the name because they’re countries that are Badly Run by International Criminals. As opposed to the ones that are well run by criminals  If some Brazilian special forces team snatched up GWB on vacay I'd let it go.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:53
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Built like a BRICS shithouse.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:56
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It's on russian TV most days about invading Europe. Poland, Baltics and Berlin get mentioned a lot.
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Sep 10, 2023 15:58
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Ah the greatest hits Paris in 3 days As soon as Kyiv in 3 days
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Sep 10, 2023 16:05
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Der Kyhe posted:You don't need to love or even like Americans to hate and oppose homicidal dictators starting war on a whim because of imperial ambitions, while encouraging a system of openly committing war crimes and terrorizing civilians in the areas that aren't outright ethnically cleansed like the Nazis did some 80 years ago. Especially if you are an elected president from an actually democratic country. Brazil and especially Lula has very little reason to care about Ukraine and very strong reasons to care about sticking and twisting the knife into the US. So Lula's actions re Russia and Ukraine are not motivated by Ukraine. It's not the moral stance in the situation, but it's perfectly predictable, consistent with normal behavior of countries, and a result of American meddling. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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Sep 10, 2023 16:06
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redshirt posted:Can anyone speak to the depth of Russian defenses? If Ukraine breaks through a certain point for example, is there any defense left? The tough part is that when you break through the first line of defense there's another, smaller line of defense inside that. Inside that line of defense is another line of defense even smaller. When you finally get through to the last line of defense there's a jelly bean inside of it. A borscht flavored jelly bean JK, the money for the jelly bean never made it to the line of defense factory. Meanwhile there is an oligarch on a yacht in the South Pacific that is REALLY enjoying that dish of jelly beans
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Sep 10, 2023 16:08
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It's probably as simple as Brazil doesn't want to piss off USA or Russia and staying impartial. Like a lot of other countries.
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Sep 10, 2023 16:08
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The USA knows to kick your enemies if they are down. We are sending top tier tanks with these horrifying rounds lol Found a sliced open image of one. https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/10f8ftl/american_m829a4_armorpiercing_tank_round/ Id go home personally.
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