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They chose the white antlers because they were a symbol of royalty - appropriated for every human being.
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Joe Slowboat posted:They chose the white antlers because they were a symbol of royalty - appropriated for every human being. took me a minute to remember whether this was a K6BD thing, a Disco Elysium thing, or a Baru Cormorant thing
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Mile'ionaha posted:I see it differently. The purpose of the megacorporation is to accrue "capital," often in the form of money. That's the entire point of its entire existence. It only exists in a capitalist framework, which is itself fundamentally incompatible with a post-scarcity society. Capitalism must have an abused underclass kept docile by the threat of poverty in order to fuel the "number go up" of a small few. Poverty is a state where someone is unable to afford or procure the basic necessities to live. A post-scarcity society means that poverty cannot exist when such basic resources are readily available, meaning that threat of poverty is no longer there for capitalism, and thus megacorporations, to leverage and force people to work. You are confusing a megacorporation for any generically large organization that's completely capable of fostering the "9-5 grindset" environment. The niche you're trying to fill with a megacorporation can be filled by a non-profit charity, a co-op, or even a government organization. There's nothing special about a megacorporation that means it must exist even in a post-scarcity society.
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they're full on East India Company style quasistate actors starting wars in order to sell weapons and doing all the standard William Gibson megacorp totalitarian horseshit under the Union's aegis, not voluntary affinity groups for people who love roleplaying office workers. A post-scarcity society that provides excellently for citizens within the imperial core and simply does not give a poo poo about anyone else to the extent it'll allow those citizens to take all their super-technology and go play Westworld on the periphery would scan, and I think be a workable reading of the material, but doesn't really square with the idea that that society is also a beacon of hope to all the people getting crushed by its surplus war machines unless you're George W. Bush there is capital (manna) in the union, it's unclear how that works outside of hiring mercenaries in the aforementioned colonial warzones but whatever even Star Trek had some kind of funny money so people could screw around doing bank robberies and stuff. wouldn't be much of a mech game if you couldn't plan a heist around just picking up a bank and running off with it A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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“A post-scarcity society would solve everything” is the stance of people who don’t know that tuberculosis still kills millions every year despite us having a cure for half a century.
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Sep 12, 2023 00:07
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I assume you mean tuberculosis, because thankfully Ebola doesn't reach millions.
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in a post scarcity society we wouldn't be making quite so many posts
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Ashcans posted:I assume you mean tuberculosis, because thankfully Ebola doesn't reach millions.
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:in a post scarcity society we wouldn't be making quite so many posts we'd make far more, and they'd be worse
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Sep 12, 2023 00:54
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There is a scarcity of posts in this thread right now.
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Does Lancer have cool art? May I see it?
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YaketySass posted:don't think there'd be much Royalty under communism Under communism, everyone is Royalty.
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YaketySass posted:don't think there'd be much Royalty under communism communist royalty is a continuous guillotining motion
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girl dick energy posted:“A post-scarcity society would solve everything” is the stance of people who don’t know that tuberculosis still kills millions every year despite us having a cure for half a century. It wouldn't solve everything but it would solve help poo poo like corporations purposefully raising prices on life-saving medications because their victims have to choose between living or dying. This is like saying "money doesn't make you happy." Sure money doesn't necessarily make you happy but it does get you security in basic necessities so you can afford to spend more time on self-care and happiness. coolusername posted:Does Lancer have cool art? May I see it? Let's start off with the gorgeous cover:  Fun fact: part of Lancer's third party license is if you're creating a spinoff based on it you must have a sick rear end cover or a muscular woman will beat you up* Now here's some of the sick rear end mechs: Goblin, a feisty little Size 1/2 hacker  Pegasus, the G̶̡̰̦̐̕u̸͎̼̖̓n̸͎͖̲̈́̒ Mech, where Ǵ̸͇͈̦̝̌̽̕ŭ̸̻̋̍ǹ̴͕̠̓̊̚ is really loving weird  Lich, a creepy pasta in the shape of a mech  Raleigh, the "what if mech was cowboy" mech!  Lancaster, funny dog mech!  Caliban, for if you wanted to play as a living cannonball bullying mechs 4 times your size  Monarch, for all your Macross Missile Massacre cosplay needs  White Witch, for if you wanted to have more armor than god  Barbarossa, for if you wanted to have a ship-mounted weapon as your gun  Enkidu, the subject of many catgirl jokes  Genghis, for if you wanted to play as war crimes  Also not by Abaddon, but Lancer Battlegroup (the space ship spinoff) also has a really loving awesome cover! https://www.artstation.com/artwork/klnmrK  *This has since been changed but you should still have a sick rear end cover.
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skaianDestiny posted:Monarch, for all your Macross Missile Massacre cosplay needs Oh hey that's the one from the "No two targets are not hit by a rocket" meme Phy fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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HORUS has the coolest mechs.
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Phy posted:Oh hey that's the one from the "No two targets are not hit by a rocket" meme  The best ransom note memes are made by @VexWerewolf, mostly.
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habeasdorkus posted:HORUS has the coolest mechs. Yep. My favorite of theirs is the Kobold. Are you a miner whose strike was brutally crushed and now realize direct action gets the goods? Put the program code you recieved from a strange encrypted email into your mining exosuit and watch it transform into the "Burier of Tyrants." 
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Do you drive your mech from inside, Gundam-style or ride on the shoulder in the manner of Giant Robo?
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skaianDestiny posted:The purpose of the megacorporation is to accrue "capital," often in the form of money. That's the entire point of its entire existence. It only exists in a capitalist framework, which is itself fundamentally incompatible with a post-scarcity society. Capitalism must have an abused underclass kept docile by the threat of poverty in order to fuel the "number go up" of a small few. Poverty is a state where someone is unable to afford or procure the basic necessities to live. A post-scarcity society means that poverty cannot exist when such basic resources are readily available, meaning that threat of poverty is no longer there for capitalism, and thus megacorporations, to leverage and force people to work. The relevant utopian pillar is: “Under Union, it is paramount that all humans be afforded the decency of a life in which their basic needs are met. The state must make food, water, shelter, and just labor available to all, and may never deny those rights. To do so is to violate the most basic of social contracts.“ Again, this is from the core book. If you give this a few moments thought you’ll realise that: 1) This is a wonderful idea and if it was instituted faithfully on Earth today would relieve massive amounts of pain and suffering 2) Says absolutely nothing about equality of material needs being fulfilled and only references basic needs, leaving massive leverage to give people higher quality of life if they perform specific labour, belong to a specific caste, etc. You only define one type of poverty, absolute poverty, and make no consideration of relative poverty which absolutely can be leverage to get people to perform the type of labour required by corprostates. skaianDestiny posted:You are confusing a megacorporation for any generically large organization that's completely capable of fostering the "9-5 grindset" environment. The niche you're trying to fill with a megacorporation can be filled by a non-profit charity, a co-op, or even a government organization. There's nothing special about a megacorporation that means it must exist even in a post-scarcity society. No, they don’t have to exist but under this type of post-scarcity society they don’t have to not exist either. ThirdComm didn’t choose for either the Trade Baronies or Harrison Armory to exist and now that they do exist, what are they going to do about it. Start wars that will kill billions? They could do that, but they’re choosing not to and that’s not exactly inappropriate or unreasonable.
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I think it says something about how much the setting of Lancer speaks to people that they are willing to engage with it critically. Ain't nobody doing the worker's-rights version of Faerun.
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Raleigh looks suspiciously like Vigilant Gaze on a diet
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And they're certainly attempting the quote:The niche you're trying to fill with a megacorporation can be filled by a non-profit charity, a co-op, or even a government organization. via General Massive Systems.
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There Bias Two posted:Raleigh looks suspiciously like Vigilant Gaze on a diet It does come with a Great Chariot Cannon (it's in its chest though)
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The Blackbeard is also a really cool more "standard" type of mech. Had a campaign where the players rolled in a Goblin, a Blackbeard, a Monarch, as well as a Vlad:  and a Swallowtail:  with the Goblin usually barnacled to the cloaked Swallowtail for shenanigans. They started the campaign working as contractors for a corpostate named General Ultralogistics Network Direct Automated Multidimensional, Inc. Union is an ideal that's met where Union exists, it's not by any means extant everywhere and Union is well aware that the galaxy is not utopian. It's also trying real hard to avoid repeating the crimes of the out and out fascist SecCom. Which means that they're not willing to start an existential war with the Trade Baronies or Harrison Armory. I'm not sure how that means that they're actually bad. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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After the last two pages, my headcanon is that the Union in Lancer and in Disco Elysium are the same organization, if only because Mr. Evrart would definitely be onboard with building a gay luxury space communist utopia with plenty of corporate enemies left to fight.
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It's a little bit silly that Harrison Armory (the most nakedly fascist of the megacorps) mechs are named after conquerors and warlords who have been dead for thousands of years in the setting, with a total societal collapse in between that caused a lot of the historical record to be lost. Surely there's been at least a few noteworthy belligerents to arise in the millennia post-Fall that they could pay homage to. Yeah I know, there's both lore and metatextual reasons for not naming them after fictional dead people. I just think it's a little funny is all.
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Thundarr posted:It's a little bit silly that Harrison Armory (the most nakedly fascist of the megacorps) mechs are named after conquerors and warlords who have been dead for thousands of years in the setting, with a total societal collapse in between that caused a lot of the historical record to be lost. Surely there's been at least a few noteworthy belligerents to arise in the millennia post-Fall that they could pay homage to. It's the same reason nobody in Star Trek seems to appreciate any art, music, stories, etc made after the 20th century. Maybe the next few centuries are just a total cultural deadzone, who knows! 
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The next few centuries are just going to be 150 years of minecraft voxel art, and will rightfully be memory holed as a real bad time ™ Why? Because we've cut grade school art funding so we can have more "STEM" classes where we give all the kids tablets and do "STEM" things like ????
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team overhead smash posted:. Lancer is a game about getting a corporate license and downloading a superweapon; anywhere in the galaxy you set your campaign war is already in a state of advancement comparable to Ukraine, Syria, or an American elementary school. You can tell who's winning by looking out the window and seeing whose weapons platforms are still stomping around mopping up holdouts and fighting over spoils Thundarr posted:It's a little bit silly that Harrison Armory (the most nakedly fascist of the megacorps) mechs are named after conquerors and warlords who have been dead for thousands of years in the setting, with a total societal collapse in between that caused a lot of the historical record to be lost. Surely there's been at least a few noteworthy belligerents to arise in the millennia post-Fall that they could pay homage to. tbf if not required to name it after some contemporary general I can totally see an army dude going for Genghis or Hannibal or whatever but naming your tank Hitler is probably flying too close to the sun
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I’m just happy “Sherman” is the default HA mech and the most common one besides the one the government gives out for free.
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Gonna make it my headcanon that GMS is a worker owned collective.
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is there an "Elon" mech
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GMS's core intellectual property is a bunch of github dependencies, you can do it yourself, or you can pay them to build an iso for you.
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M_Gargantua posted:The next few centuries are just going to be 150 years of minecraft voxel art, and will rightfully be memory holed as a real bad time ™ More likely a lot of kids are going to have a dormant artistic drive go unawakened because they never experience creating art in any capacity that isnt superficial. Or material circumstances prevent them. Much more likely.
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Every corporation (Except Horus) uses RUNK in their OS, and RUNK is maintained by three guys in the basement at GMS. *Note that there hasn't been a new security vulnerability discovered in RUNK since 2999 when they closed the NHP one.
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YaketySass posted:is there an "Elon" mech no, but there's a semi-accurate equivalence to be made between IPS-N and Amazon, so you've got a whole lot of Bezos mechs at least
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GunnerJ posted:It's the same reason nobody in Star Trek seems to appreciate any art, music, stories, etc made after the 20th century. Maybe the next few centuries are just a total cultural deadzone, who knows! Shakespeare is best appreciated in its original Klingon
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It's worth throwing out an interview where Miguel and Kai talk about it:quote:Why do they let Harrison Armory exist? Why do they let IPS-N exist? IPS-N is like the closest Lancer has to a pure cyberpunk mega-corporation. Of all the corpro-states, they are the least state-like. They basically just exist to make money. They sell guns to anybody who can afford it, and they have a monopoly on interstellar travel. Union has the blink gates, which are the big, faster-than-light transit points, but anything that isn’t connected by a blink gate, you have to use a regular ship to go from point A to point B. IPS-N basically has a monopoly on that. And it's worth reading the rest as well, they cover a lot of the ground of this conversation. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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