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This thread is so pro-management. I still have vague memories of Shapiro being shady though.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:24 |
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Shapiro and Atkins loving suck and I've never said anything but. They should have been run out of the league in the wake of the Mickey Callaway stuff.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:26 |
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live with fruit posted:Just dumb then? If you know that Manoah's going to react like this, it doesn't seem wise to do it. Now him coming back is probably off the table and they'll be lucky to get anything decent back in a trade. He cant be played so you're just wasting a roster spot effectively, yeah I wouldn't expect a team to do that. Also, if I understand the way MLB contracts work, he is on a one year deal and arb-eligible next year, so he can literally only hurt himself with this. I might be misunderstanding how that works, though.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:39 |
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:And then in the 6th inning this might be one of the best catches in the outfield i've ever seen?
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:41 |
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fast cars loose anus posted:He cant be played so you're just wasting a roster spot effectively, yeah I wouldn't expect a team to do that. Also, if I understand the way MLB contracts work, he is on a one year deal and arb-eligible next year, so he can literally only hurt himself with this. I might be misunderstanding how that works, though. He would have been eligible for a 4th year of arbitration (which is the whole Super 2 thing i keep mentioning). Now he will not be so he'll make just above league minimum again as long as he's on the 40 man.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:43 |
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:He would have been eligible for a 4th year of arbitration (which is the whole Super 2 thing i keep mentioning). Now he will not be so he'll make just above league minimum again as long as he's on the 40 man. How convenient for the front office.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:44 |
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:He would have been eligible for a 4th year of arbitration (which is the whole Super 2 thing i keep mentioning). Now he will not be so he'll make just above league minimum again as long as he's on the 40 man. Ah ok. I can certainly understand being pissed about that, and MLB service time stuff is stupid as hell no doubt.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:48 |
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live with fruit posted:How convenient for the front office. I think it would’ve been more convenient for the front office if he hadn’t been God awful at pitching this season. Young pitcher sucks poo poo, gets sent down to work on mechanics, gets the call to the bigs again, sucks more poo poo, is sent down again. This happens all the time. He was objectively terrible to the point of being unusable, and I’m guessing also a sad sack in the clubhouse. What were the Jays supposed to do?
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:51 |
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Bregor posted:Young pitcher sucks poo poo, gets sent down to work on mechanics, gets the call to the bigs again, sucks more poo poo, is sent down again. This happens all the time. Manoah finished third in Cy Young voting last year.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 04:57 |
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e. ^ Yes and he's had a near 6 ERA this year in 87 IP and numbers under the hood that say actually those results are lucky he should have been pitching even worse. He's not the first guy to have a stellar year and then get sent down the next because he's badly slumping. live with fruit posted:This thread is so pro-management. Manoah didn't get sent down to manipulate his service time, he got sent down because he was bad. Then he got recalled and was bad again, so he got sent back down. Most teams trying to compete do not keep guys with 6+ ERA's sitting around on the roster if they can help it, there's nothing "shady" or "pro-management" about this it's just how the loving game works. Sydin fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Sep 13, 2023 |
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live with fruit posted:Manoah finished third in Cy Young voting last year. he was very very bad this year
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:00 |
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Has Shapiro ever manipulated a player's service time before?
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:01 |
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live with fruit posted:Manoah finished third in Cy Young voting last year. lmao
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:01 |
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Bregor posted:lmao "Young pitcher" makes it sound like he's some prospect. Very pro-management language.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:02 |
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Clearly Shapiro wanted to manipulate Manoah's service time so badly that he tricked him into touching the Space Jam ball so he'd be unplayably bad and justify the move.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:03 |
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I looked it up and they manipulated Vlad's service time too. Probably helps explain where Manoah is coming from.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:06 |
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yeah Manoah probably decided to pitch like poo poo out of spite so that he could get sent down and spark the dumbest conversation this thread has seen in weeks
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:08 |
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Pretty sure Vlad had an oblique injury at he end of spring training the year they were debating calling him up. They probably would have manipulated his service time given the chance, because that’s generally accepted as “smart” baseball, but unless I’m misremembering that’s not what happened
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:10 |
It can both be true that the service time rules are garbage that allows for teams to manipulate them to their advantage and that the Blue Jays did not specifically do that here because Alek Manoah was pitching poorly on a team trying to compete. Like yeah that stinks for Manoah but he was given chances.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:12 |
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Popete posted:It can both be true that the service time rules are garbage that allows for teams to manipulate them to their advantage and that the Blue Jays did not specifically do that here because Alek Manoah was pitching poorly on a team trying to compete. yeah it really isnt that hard to come to this obviously true conclusion
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:24 |
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The funny thing is that the original question was "Are the Blue Jays shady?" and the answer to that appears to be "Probably." Or at least "Enough so that Russell Martin called them out for keeping Vlad down when he was a rookie."
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 05:29 |
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All thirty teams are shady. Anyone who follows prospects or is in a dynasty fantasy league will tell you when the Super 2 day comes up for the top guys in late May/early June. “Working on defense” is code for “we want one more arb year.” Teams will phantom IL guys to get a roster spot or skip a pitcher to manage their innings. And that’s just the run of the mill stuff. Anyway Shapiro doesn’t seem any more or less shady than the average executive IMHO. I could be wrong. But Manoah was dogshit garbage this season and is getting what he deserves within the rules of the CBA. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 06:03 |
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live with fruit posted:Manoah finished third in Cy Young voting last year. https://twitter.com/BarstoolHubbs/status/1673740478418763798
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 06:17 |
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R.D. Mangles posted:this might be one of the best catches in the outfield i've ever seen? I had to rewind it after watching it live because my brain had just processed that ball as a double in the gap. His other catch had an xBA of .970.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 06:26 |
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Is everyone salty today because their team lost or what
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 07:13 |
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Niwrad posted:I had to rewind it after watching it live because my brain had just processed that ball as a double in the gap. His other catch had an xBA of .970. That dude is very fast. God I hope he can hit at least decently.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 12:23 |
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Tatsuta Age posted:https://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/1701793475002286371 they're not making it out of the wildcard round
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 12:49 |
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Players that have their service time manipulated deserve to be in the majors not guys having one of the 5 worst seasons as a starter in team history.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 12:57 |
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Has there been a credible theory about what happened to him? The lol fat thing seems off because he’s been fat since his debut. I say this with all due respect as a fellow athletic fat guy Well Played Mauer fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Sep 13, 2023 |
# ? Sep 13, 2023 13:01 |
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The first time he got sent down I saw a video questioning a hitch in his delivery, but maybe that was bogus and it’s something else. The new rules about teams receiving picks for prospects who win or get ROY or runner-up are supposed to combat service time manipulation, right? I wonder if that’ll have an effect. I can’t imagine a bonus pick would make up for losing a year of your superstar.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 13:11 |
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ESPN dropped a big investigation regarding more Biogenesis stuff, and apparently we have some new names of players who were involved. This list includes Melky Cabrera, Nelson Cruz, Francisco Cervelli, Yasmani Grandal, Jordany Valdespin, and a couple others
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 13:34 |
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Some of this had been out there, not exact specifics, but that Selig had paid Bosch for his info, paid for stolen documents, and side-stepped the real investigation to get what he wanted because he hated A-Rod. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38089585/major-league-baseball-took-risks-bring-doping-players-biogenesis-tony-bosch-scandal posted:ESPN has found, though, that Major League Baseball not only paid a hefty financial price for Bosch's cooperation but, even more, risked huge potential embarrassment in signing him up as it counted on and simultaneously tried to cater to the whims of the unlicensed clinician -- described as a "troubled man" by an MLB official -- who had dealt substances to minors, had a cocaine addiction and drank Scotch heavily. posted:The gist of the eventual deal was Bosch would help baseball, most significantly serving as its principal fact witness in any arbitration proceedings with Rodriguez, and MLB in turn would foot the bill for his attorney fees and personal security, which between them ended up totaling well north of $5 million. posted:Before then, though, MLB paid crisis management consultant Joyce Fitzpatrick more than $300,000, through Bosch's attorneys, to ready him for the public spotlight as best she could. Bosch was neatly groomed, his appearance freshened for the arbitration, and his consultant sent out a new photo and requested the media discontinue using his old mug shot. Bosch said he was prepped 30 hours for the hearing by a former White House correspondent. He was booked across from Scott Pelley on "60 Minutes," appearing in prime time on CBS a night after the arbitrator's decision to ban Rodriguez for 162 games. A copy of the interview would later be subpoenaed by investigators.
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Well Played Mauer posted:Has there been a credible theory about what happened to him? The lol fat thing seems off because he’s been fat since his debut. A bunch of the hefty lads had issues this year and people hypothesize it may be related to the pitch clock, in that they're in shape enough to pitch but not at that pace? I dunno if I necessarily buy it, but I definitely saw it floated for Manoah, Lynn, and Nestor's issues.
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 14:01 |
Not even including day-to-day players who missed games. Good god almighty
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 14:55 |
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The Pussy Boss posted:Is everyone salty today because their team lost or what My team won and also an opposing player knocked himself out of the game by hitting a foul ball of his dick so I'm feeling pretty good
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 15:08 |
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The Pussy Boss posted:Is everyone salty today because their team lost or what you bet and also making GBS threads my pants over the 4 game series with the Rays, very make or break for the AL East edit: but its gonna be playoff-vibes baseball for 4 straight days which is gonna be great regardless
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mdemone posted:
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 15:25 |
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Walked posted:you bet It's going to be the fight from They Live as both teams are like, relatively limping into that series right now.
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R.D. Mangles posted:this might be one of the best catches in the outfield i've ever seen? Pat Hughes gave up on it immediately lol
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# ? Sep 13, 2023 15:40 |