Dwesa posted:

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1701915827325329464

Allegedly more than two ships/subs were damaged/destroyed

zone posted:

Tai posted:

Her account is still very likely to be under esttimating corruption in Ukraine tbh. It's been bad for a long time. Corruption was a big part of why Euromaidan kicked off. Ukrainians are just sick of it. And go gently caress yourself (not Mr. Merdle) if you believe conspiracy theory poo poo that Russia pushes about Euromaidan being CIA, NATO or whatever dumb poo poo.

Fun fact, only 17%(ish) of Russians polled by state owned Russian public opinion centre said yes that Russia should react to Euromaidan. Ya know..invade Crimea.

Der Waffle Mous posted:

My knowledge is, like from 20-30 year old videogames but iirc soviet doctrine for their nuclear attack subs was that they were built more for speed than stealth and thus were notoriously noisy compared to american boats.

So you had fast loud subs ostensibly to go out and intercept enemy ballistic missile subs and/or protect their own boomers, while the diesel/electrics did stealthy defense duties.

Flyinglemur posted:

Some sub chat if anyone still cares:

-Diesel boats are EXTREMELY quiet on battery but one of the tradeoffs that most people might not thing about is that they don't (or didn't as of a few years ago) have the power to operate a sufficient combat systems so to detect other quiet things in the ocean.

-Nuke subs are expensive. And not every country in the world has/can afford the technology to build and maintain a proper nuclear power plant. That is one reason why diesel subs are so common around the world.


Regarding the post that nuke boats spend less time in port because they don't need to refuel:
- still need food
- still need people running the boat. Trained people. I don't know how many nuclear prototype land-based trainers they have, but I'm guessing it doesn't matter as the rest of the Russian military is "not great"
Both of those things are for sure still an issue for nuke boats, but the small size of a diesel boat means they can't carry as much food. The longest I was submerged without coming up was 72 days on a 688. The Tridents can stay out longer because they can store more food and their sailors know that the mission requires longer submerged times but that is a whole other chestnut.
-the majority of Russia's nuclear subs are all rusting at the pier because of, well, every reason you've seen so far about the Russian MIC.

As far as the Dutch sub running amok in a US carrier group, we used to do the same thing to our own carrier groups routinely. My first CO was Captain Tracy, who later went on to become the first Sub Admiral in charge of a carrier group. Anyway we had to find and infiltrate one of our CGs. We did it with impunity, to the point that for our last run, we were ordered to do it surfaced. This is, of course, NOT how a sub would do any of that, so our skipper got on the announcing systerm and let everyone know. A large sail was made and attached to the snorkel mast. Everyone was ENCOURAGED to make as much noise as possible and we got pretty far into the group before we got "hit". This was also BEFORE down periscope came out. I remember my mom called me after she saw it and said, "no one is going to believe you guys now" and I agreed. It was a fun night though.

Thing about war games, especially international war games, like a pre-season football game (or friendly soccer game I suppose). The whole team is usually there but some of the big guns sit it out or don't always go "all in" because you maybe don't want to show all of your plays. It might be a friendly match, but the next time might not be.

We did one exercise where a P3 was hunting us. We had to run a set course, speed and depth and they still couldn't find us. We finally had to broach and run the diesel, so a portion of the sail was out of the water and we had a big ol' exhaust plume coming out and I remember specifically my CO on the periscope watching it go by, saying "well, there goes the P3." Not that they found us, but they flew on by and we had to end the exercise by fully surfacing. I know this is one anecdotal story, but I like it so here you have it

This really got away from me. Anyway the Kilo getting hit by an air-launched missile is absolutely a Das Poot moment, and I love whoever came up with that.

Coolguye posted:

all of these random fires i have to wonder what the actual distribution of causes are

like ok, smoking accidents, yeah i am positive there's plenty of those. terrible maintenance being revealed by wartime shortages and stressors, absolutely. a lot are also undoubtedly due to ukranian drones, though a TV station would be outside their usual targets.

the part that i am curious about is cyberattacks. if you're using software, especially industrial software, poorly and don't have manual/hardware failsafes, some hacking can absolutely cause a gas valve to get stuck open and whoopsie poosums you're a spark away from a gas fire.

the thing is, because russia's been so huge about DoMiNaNcE oF cYb0r and the perpetrators aren't really going to be interested in claiming responsibility for cyberattacks (because that increases the chances of the vulnerabilities getting fixed), everyone involved in a cyberattack wouldn't say a drat thing about it. i can't help but wonder how many of these fires are someone hacking various gibsons around moscow.

lomzus posted:

https://twitter.com/AChikadibi5200/status/1701990657823281580

zone posted:

This is everyone's daily reminder that:
1) Puccia is begging schoolchildren for money
2) Begging Iran for shells, drones, and missiles
3) Begging China for anything they'll give
4) Begging North Korea for ammo and rockets
5) Begging India and China to buy oil for currency they can't use
6) They can't land an unmanned craft on the moon LMAO
7) Day 567 of 3 day "special military operation"
8) Increased the size of NATO
9) Caused the rearmament of Europe and America

V.V. Monke remains a master strategist.

zone posted:

This is everyone's daily reminder that:
1) Puccia is begging schoolchildren for money
2) Begging Iran for shells, drones, and missiles
3) Begging China for anything they'll give
4) Begging North Korea for ammo and rockets
5) Begging India and China to buy oil for currency they can't use
6) They can't land an unmanned craft on the moon LMAO
7) Day 567 of 3 day "special military operation"
8) Increased the size of NATO
9) Caused the rearmament of Europe and America

V.V. Monke remains a master strategist.

OAquinas posted:

Don't forget that they're raiding the pension funds of their citizens.

the popes toes posted:

Is that correct? I thought the "national welfare" fund, or what people otherwise called Putin's "war chest" was sufficiently large and still sufficient? Now, you can certainly argue that civil projects of repair, improvement, creation etc., will suffer and have been suffering. And it's those sorts of investment that maintain an economy. But has this lack of infrastructure spending also affected pensions yet?

zone posted:

L bozo

The_Franz posted:

Russia's war chest is overflowing with rupees (that they can't exchange).

zone posted:

India recently offered to let them reinvest those rupees in our country. We are a generous people.

lomzus posted:

https://twitter.com/AChikadibi5200/status/1701990657823281580

Neddy Seagoon posted:

About time one of those submarines got got!

Pablo Bluth posted:

Sub chat: The Royal Navy has commissioned 32 nuclear-powered submarines over the years. While 21 have since been decommissioned, exactly zero have been disposed of. They're just slowly accumulating in dock, because successive governments haven't wanted to be the ones who pay for dealing with it. It's one major headache less if you go diesel.

Edit: 22. The first sub will be fully dismantled by 2026, 34 years after being decommissioned.

Log082 posted:

Nuclear has a lot of advantages, but the clean up is a major problem. Not in the sensationalist "it will kill us all" sense, just that it's expensive and time consuming to do right. There's a museum ship, the NSS Savannah, that was the first and only nuclear merchant ship in port in my city, and it's only open for visits on certain holidays because most of the time is still being spent on properly decommissioning and removing the reactor. She was deactivated in 1971. Incidentally, highly worth a visit if you happen to be in Baltimore on one of the holidays she's open for tours.

Samovar posted:

Do any right-wingers point to these nutters and say 'these are people we can work with' or do they just simply refer to them under their umbrella term of leftists and leave it at that?

Nessus posted:

I gotta ask, what the gently caress have they been doing for fifty years? Are they cutting it out with shuriken thrown by top ranked ninja?

Nessus posted:

Are they cutting it out with shuriken thrown by top ranked ninja?

Burns posted:

I see how UA's strategy for the next few months is unfolding. They expect a renewed missile barrage in winter against the power grid so attacking the launch platforms now, ships, subs, and those planes a few weeks back is an attempt to curtain those strikes in the winter time.