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MMAgCh posted:Barriss's fate has been left unstated because Filoni supposedly had/has plans for the character. Yeah, she was such a nice kid. Quiet though
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Yeah Barriss' actions come out of nowhere because she isn't in the show enough to have an arc.MMAgCh posted:Barriss's fate has been left unstated because Filoni supposedly had/has plans for the character. I was surprised none of the unmade TCW arcs were about her. I guess she could turn up in Bad Batch but it feels like the wrong place.
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NowonSA posted:True enough, having a whole galaxy of different aliens, possibly its own unique galactic government, possibly its own weird take on force users, is really quite the open canvas especially with how it's seemingly not all that difficult to hop from one to the other (given the crazy scale of travel that going from galaxy to galaxy entails). They would be such a good villain too. Of course, the EU books being poo poo on by TLJ fan's while having a better story objectively than the majority of the ST will never not make me roll my eyes. I thought the first 3 episodes were a little slow. Four was better, but 5 was legit solid. The Vader moments were fantastic, and again a reminder of how scary Annie was/could have been if he hadn't nearly been killed. Solid light saber fight too. Andor is objectively better sure (it's the actual star wars property so many 'fans' claim the TLJ is) , but this is fun in a popcorn/very Lucas sense.
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I don't know if disney can really do the yuuzhan vong, if they worked at all (highly arguable) it was by being so ridiculously grimdark and miserable on such a massive scale and getting so many devastating Ws on the heroes that beating them in the end was satisfying. I don't really sense the will and leeway to pitch star wars into space vietnam for years that random late 90s/early aughts sci fi hacks were given, for some reason
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Also Revan has been in 3000 years of hypersleep in this new place and we're getting KOTOR 3 as a TV show
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LionArcher posted:They would be such a good villain too. Of course, the EU books being poo poo on by TLJ fan's while having a better story objectively than the majority of the ST will never not make me roll my eyes. what a weird post
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Hera went to Space Kinkos and printed out a photo of Kanan for her ship’s cockpit.
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I'm trying to think what the connection between Andor and TLJ is at all lmao.
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Sep 14, 2023 04:05
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maybealabia posted:I mean you could say the same for Anakin 
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Sombrerotron posted:I feel there's a clear parallel her with how, as a mere infant, she tamed this tiger-like creature in the first episode of Tales of the Jedi (entitled "Life and Death", coincidentally). It's like a rebirth, a return to the person she was before she was turned into an impetuous, aggressive child soldier. And the final episode of Clone Wars is "Victory and Death" It's like poetry, sort of. They rhyme
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Dexo posted:I'm trying to think what the connection between Andor and TLJ is at all lmao. Good Star War that don't fit with the material around them?
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Also I just don't really have much confidence in disney to do the moral/ethical side of NJO justice. Although it seemed little noticed (fair enough, you had to read an insane number of bad books to get to the point) and remains rarely commented on by people other than me, I think that was one of the very best things about it- it turned out to be a story about not answering atrocity with atrocity, understanding history so as not to repeat it, and challenging and expanding OT ideas about forgiveness and finding good in apparent evil on the scale of societies and not just family members. Without that element, it would have been what people who never read it often characterize it as- brainless exterminate the beasts stuff of our heroes justly counter-massacring absolute evil. It would be perverse if it got a second life as just that
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I really enjoyed the bit with Jacen and Chopper trying and failing to give Hera complex info while sharing a comlink. My brothers and I used to do that to our mom when she was at work, all the time. A series of 5 minute shorts depicting Jacen and Chopper’s adventures causing workplace accidents on NR cruisers would be fun.
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M_Gargantua posted:So I'm only one episode in, but she totally has a bionic lung now... right? Nah it was a bit lower than that. About all Shin probably hit was the top of the intestines.
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Wife and I just finished EP 5 of Ahsoka. She thinks there was more footage of Mary Elizabeth Winstead's rear end while she was walking than her actual dialogue.
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site posted:she failed during her first fight against vader...and she died during the collapse of the temple but ezra used the temple of time to save her later; Ezra saving her established that as a closed loop. Ahsoka never died but she probably is haunted by the fact that her former master had her dead-to-rights and was delivering a killing blow
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Blistex posted:Wife and I just finished EP 5 of Ahsoka. She thinks there was more footage of Mary Elizabeth Winstead's rear end while she was walking than her actual dialogue. That’s not her rear end that’s her head
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Nah it was a bit lower than that. About all Shin probably hit was the top of the intestines. Nothing a bacta tank can't fix. Like when Luke got Wampa slapped and frostbite 
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Vinylshadow posted:Good Star War that don't fit with the material around them? Or maybe saying that the people making GBS threads all over the Ahsoka series are probably the same people who claim that zombie Leia flying through space and a casino adventure is the pinnacle of Star Wars?
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CelticPredator posted:what a weird post 'fans' lmao.
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maybealabia posted:I mean you could say the same for Anakin That's not true at all! His turn was incredibly well handled, the master George Lucas at his finest. Mace Windu: I'm gonna kill this weird shrieking harpy of an old man because you yourself told me he's the evil mastermind who started the war, also he killed a bunch of Jedi just now after doing a Psycho-Crusher. Anakin: No, murder is wrong, and I'll kill you to prove it! Palpatine: Awesome, now go slaughter a bunch of kids. Anakin: This seems reasonable 
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Parkingtigers posted:Also, baby Ahsoka was the same actress who played baby Gamora in Infinity War 5 years ago. That kid's got a bright future. She seems to have the market cornered on "play a girl in a big franchise and be willing to sit in the makeup chair for 3 hours" market. She definitely showed some acting chops there too. I wouldn't be surprised to see her land a meaty roll sometime and start out on a Hailee Steinfield like career.
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When she's older, she can play Ahsoka in in the missing years series.
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Dingleberry2 posted:Or maybe saying that the people making GBS threads all over the Ahsoka series are probably the same people who claim that zombie Leia flying through space and a casino adventure is the pinnacle of Star Wars? Y’all are loving weird
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Jerusalem posted:That's not true at all! His turn was incredibly well handled, the master George Lucas at his finest. dogg, the first thing he does is collapse to his knees and declare "what have i done!?", before declaring that he will "do whatever you ask" in the most broken tone imaginable. and all that he's being asked to do is turn the same incredible violence he's been happily doling out on droids and tuskens since he was a child to the people who inadvertently (and sometimes entirely on purpose) hosed him up his whole life! i think the funniest part of the whole sequence is that palpatine's face goes all wrinkly and his voice gets all froggy because he's becoming more like yoda as he transforms from an evil politician into an evil wizard. every single rear end in a top hat that has been loving up anakin's life since he was a child is in that room, on either a literal or metaphorical level, and he picks the one that's at least claiming to be supportive of the wildly toxic romance that managed to make a bad situation worse.
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Dexo posted:I'm trying to think what the connection between Andor and TLJ is at all lmao. quality
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banned from Starbucks posted:Why do Bib Fortunas and rancor snack girls head tentacles from 1984 look 10x better than the ones in this show? That one's easy--they weren't in HD.
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Madurai posted:That one's easy--they weren't in HD. when you look up the resolution of film it's gonna blow your mind
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LionArcher posted:Andor is objectively better sure (it's the actual star wars property so many 'fans' claim the TLJ is) , but this is fun in a popcorn/very Lucas sense. I am genuinely curious about this Andor-TLJ contrast. I love both and I am bewildered by this framing.
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The framing is lion archer despises everyone who likes the last Jedi and thinks of them as an evil force so obviously it means we don’t enjoy andor and think TLJ is better
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NowonSA posted:She seems to have the market cornered on "play a girl in a big franchise and be willing to sit in the makeup chair for 3 hours" market. She definitely showed some acting chops there too. I wouldn't be surprised to see her land a meaty roll sometime and start out on a Hailee Steinfield like career. She’s a supporting actress in the biggest film this year, she’s probably on a short list for lots of casting directors long before this episode aired.
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Jehde posted:I am genuinely curious about this Andor-TLJ contrast. I love both and I am bewildered by this framing. I mean it is not outrageous to suggest that TLJ wanted to be "radical" and new, ie the whole "subvert expectations" fiasco, while Andor didn't bother in engaging in meta-commentary and instead of making a "good" character a lot worse (Luke) it made a boring (bad) character a lot better (Andor). TLJ screams stuff like "let the past die", randomly kills of its villain for a shock moment, clumsily introduces war profeetering and "capitalism and slavery bad" (Canto Bight), pretends that Rey being a nobody matters, ie fans kept talking about it like it was ever a big thing for Rey herself despite the fact that TFA only ever established that she had parents, there was nothing to suggest that she thought her parents were "special" or that they needed to be. All it established was that Rey was someone missing her parents and that this left a hole in her. So TLJ's whole attempt at "Rey is just a normal girl, not something "special" rings hollow because it tries to have a meta conversion with all the fan speculation (not to mention that Rey would always be "special" because she is a freakin Jedi/force user) and the typical expected trope of Rey turning out to be a Skywalker etc. TLJ is full of these "meta level" elements that worry more about how the audience might perceive something or what its expectations are instead of actually telling a coherent and gripping story. There is also the irony of TLJ wanting to subvert expectations but failing to do so where it actually matters, ie the whole resolution of the movie. It doesn't do anything interesting with either Rey or Kylo, Rey keeps being the good girl and Kylo is still on his path of just repeating Vader's story (including a redemption at the end). So one of the worst parts of TLJ is that it pretends to be bold in its storytelling but in reality it's just throwing toys around for the most part and in the end it still wraps up with a milquetoast resolution and undermines any attempt to have a coherent trilogy (that does in no way excuse TRoS but if you kill off your main villain you might want to think about how that affects the overall story and where it leaves the rest of the characters if you don't even have the balls to do something interesting with Rey/Kylo, especially because Kylo was in no position to take the mantle as "main villain", that could have never worked for rather obvious reasons). Now look at Andor and how it explored its main character and the care taken to make his journey from "indifferent criminal" to "revolutionary". The show didn't care about "subverting expectations" or to constantly address meta discussions about SW. We and the show already knew where Andor ends up so the focus had to be making that journey interesting but if you look closely at it it's a very by the numbers storyline. Nothing comes out of left field, there are no huge twists and the characters are presented as human beings instead of meta-commentary devices. The biggest theme of Andor is without doubt about exploring the "human condition" from various perspectives in the Star Wars universe, Luthen's whole monologue is pretty much the essence of that attempt but even Mon Mothma's subplot highlights the personal struggle/cost, what the Rebellion means for her on a persona level. That's also why we get a closer and nuanced look at the inner workings of the Empire's "bureaucracy" through Syril and Dedra but the same is true for the other side. Compare that to what TLJ did with Finn and Rose and how hamfisted the Canto Bight subplot was or the clumsy motivation for Poe and his whole conflict. I don't want to recapture all of Andor but it's the sort of layered characterization and introduction of themes with depth that a lot of people saw in TLJ (Obi-Wans characters is often justified in that way as if it is a quality in itself to "reset" his original characterization only for him to still end up at the same place, that's not deep, it's just random) but were actually properly EXECUTED in Andor. And it can't be stressed enough that EXECUTION matters. It's why "subverting expectations" has become such a meme because doing so isn't a bad thing, it can be a very valid choice but you need to know when to do it and for what purposes and how it relates to the story you want to tell. Andor is an example of a show that has a really basic(!) plot (I mean it's a heist movie for a big part and later a prison escape) and follows very basic storytelling principles, nothing it does is in any way new or super creative or even subversive. The whole success of Andor is based on great execution, it knows what kind of story it wants to tell and then takes great care in doing that which is why it has also this very deliberate pacing you often associate with other great dramas (think Breaking Bad). CelticPredator posted:The framing is lion archer despises everyone who likes the last Jedi and thinks of them as an evil force so obviously it means we don’t enjoy andor and think TLJ is better I think a big reason why so many double down on their hate for TLJ is the simple fact that it still gets the benefit of the doubt. That's why such discussions don't exist around TRoS, noone bothers to defend that mess and imo that is mainly down to the fact that TLJ had the advantage of leaving a lot of stuff open which means criticism can always be easier deflected. Another source of TLJ controvery is certainly the fact that the middle movie in a trilogy has to be the connective tissue and TLJ can be seen as the "turning point" in post-Lucas SW and thus leading to a lot of the bad stuff we got (though I personally think that many of the issues were rooted in TFA but it's hard to argue that TLJ didn't just make these issues even bigger). LinkesAuge fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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This was a good episode, but after generally wishing that Disney+ shows would have more time to flesh out their stories, they have absolutely fuckin dragged their feet getting to this point, most of what has happened here could've been done in like two/three episodes max. 
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ungulateman posted:those sure are a lot of words to express that you only remember the punchiest line in the last jedi and not the rest of the movie which (badly) argues against that punchy line No, the movie itself doesn't know what it argues against. People just want to pretend that TLJ did more than it really did/showed. I use that "punchiest line" because it reflects how muddled its own storytelling and its themes were, that it just didn't know how to connect TFA to its own story or how its story will connect to the next one. It wants to deconstruct certain elements and then fails to build something in place of it (reflected by the whole Snoke-treatment and non-consequential Kylo/Rey confrontation). It's a movie that sometimes wants to move on and show us that characters aren't who they used to be (Luke) and yet they still totally are when convenient (Leia who is an even more idealized and "magical" version of herself or Luke later on so he can get his dramatic moment). It wants to say something about slavery/capitalism but only on the most superficial level and acts like a character who experienced personal exploitation (Finn) needs to learn that lesson. It wants to argue against Kylo's point but the narrative thrust of the story only underlines his point, ie nothing from the past has a positive influence on what is actually happening. The story clearly shows that the galaxy acts like the Rebellion never happened, like noone in the galaxy is thankful and supports our heroes. Our heroes from the past are either ineffective/relegated to the fringes (Leia) or want to distance themselves from the past (Luke) and we still have the old Jedi/Sith (good vs bad) conflict. The movie even goes so far and destroys whatever is left of the resistence, it literally destroys the remaining parts of the past and "resets" the whole setting in many ways including Luke who can now be the new Obi-Wan, the "brave" result of his arc should have been that he HAS to stay around and fix his mess instead of getting to play Obi-Wan to Rey and have this little heroic moment, THAT would have been a more useful "subversion of expectations" and a departure of just repeating the mistakes of the past. That's also what personally bothers me about TLJ. It's so enamoured with itself for not being a typical Star Wars movie and yet it still is and doesn't go far enough if it really wants to be this "new" and "disruptive" thing. That's really the biggest "crime" of TLJ, that it made many Star Wars fans think that this is what a "subversive"take of Star Wars would be and that's just sad because now everyone thinks TLJ was disliked because it wasn't "mainstream" enough or too subversive and that couldn't be further from the truth. LinkesAuge fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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LionArcher posted:They would be such a good villain too. Of course, the EU books being poo poo on by TLJ fan's while having a better story objectively than the majority of the ST will never not make me roll my eyes. This is a thing you've invented.
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Blistex posted:Wife and I just finished EP 5 of Ahsoka. She thinks there was more footage of Mary Elizabeth Winstead's rear end while she was walking than her actual dialogue. Lmao
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Everyone shits on the EU because most of it was poo poo. Everyone has their one favorite (me, it's tie fighter) a handful of things they're ok with, and everything else is poo poo. It's only the weirdos who claim to like everything.
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Blistex posted:Wife and I just finished EP 5 of Ahsoka. She thinks there was more footage of Mary Elizabeth Winstead's rear end while she was walking than her actual dialogue. Glad I'm not the only one to notice this. And not in a hurr, hurr way. Gold bikinis notwithstanding, Star Wars has never gone out of its way to pander to male gaze, but this season has had a hell of a lot of shots of Hera and Sabine slowly walking away from a camera placed low to the ground. It's cheap and gross.
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