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Cacator posted:Sounds like a Michael Mann film! Him flexing having that part in Black Hat where a character developing conversation happens via two people sitting right by each other but it's through their mics because they're on a very loud helicopter.
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In the middle of this authentic corporate fundraising buzzwords gibberish is news on a Brightburn sequel and other thingsquote:The duo behind Brightburn producer The H Collective are launching H3 Entertainment, a company they say will look to integrate the Metaverse, Web3 and AI into a slate of films. https://deadline.com/2023/09/brightburn-sequel-hcollective-ai-web3-metaverse-company-1235542789/
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Sep 13, 2023 23:33
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Brightburn loving sucked. It had no interest in what makes successful 'what if superman was bad' story work: The evil supermen (Omni-Man and Homelander for instance) don't think they're evil. They think they're good. Omni-Man because he's executing a pretty comprehensive and successful (albeit ghastly) ideology and Homelander because, well, lots of people like him and he's a narcissist, so he must be good. Someone doing evil because they're evil is boring. Someone doing it because they think they're on the right side is inherently pretty compelling. Someone in this thread, I think (or possibly the comic book or Snyder thread) pointed out that straightforwardly doing evil tends to take one form (robbing, murdering and so on) while doing good can take countless forms. Superman himself, in Man of Steel and BvS, struggles to decide exactly how to do good. Omni Man and Homelander have both chosen ways of 'doing good' but have chosen poorly. They're both possible outcomes for Superman if things had shaken out a little differently. Omni Man is pretty specifically Superman if he'd sided with Zod. Homelander is who he might be if he'd gotten corporate sponsorship as a child. By contrast, the kid in Brightburn is just evil. No motive, no end game, certainly not in the film's run time. He kills for petty or reactive or indeed unknown reasons. There's no real way to tell an interesting story there. It'd be like trying to actually make Jason the main character. The events of the first film should have been compressed into the first twenty minutes. Then you cut to the character years later. Murdering or terrorising people with impunity has lost its luster and he's trying to figure out what to do with his immense power. All we're left with is 'what if a slasher movie had an actually superhuman killer instead of an implicitly superhuman one' and it makes for a few effective kills and literally nothing else worth talking about. Or a version of 'we need to talk about Kevin' that's even less interesting. 'Kevin' at least had some good performances.
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Sep 14, 2023 01:17
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Never saw bright burn but it had a really good eye trauma scene
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CelticPredator posted:Never saw bright burn but it had a really good eye trauma scene If you've watched a youtube video called something like 'Brightburn all powers/kills' you've seen everything worthwhile in the film.
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Sep 14, 2023 01:22
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Yeah I never went to go see it for that reason. Also that Gunn had little hand in making it kinda capped my interest.
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Sep 14, 2023 01:26
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I saw it on streaming and I wished I could get my money back. "What if a child psychopath had Superman's powers?" Well, he does whatever the gently caress he wants and gets away with it. What an interesting premise. *finger spin*
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Sep 14, 2023 01:28
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That sounds like it could be fun horror movie though if it got way more creative with the kills
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Sep 14, 2023 01:35
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just go play Injustice that has fatalities right
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Nope. Not fun ones at least like ripping spines out of butts
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CelticPredator posted:That sounds like it could be fun horror movie though if it got way more creative with the kills Or thought on a much bigger scale. Slasher movies are set in small areas because of the physical limitations of a guy with a knife, and you still have to get a little creative to explain how he kills so many people. A psychopathic superman has no physical limitations. You can do literally anything. Alan Smithee posted:just go play Injustice New Mortal Kombat has Homelander, Omni Man and Peacemaker as guest characters, so I imagine we'll get some pretty insane poo poo.
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I’d rather have a slasher with interesting kills tbh. i haven’t seen that but I have seen evil superheroes before and I’m not super interested in the concept unless they push it somewhere as deeply interesting and entertaining as Homelander
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CelticPredator posted:I’d rather have a slasher with interesting kills tbh. i haven’t seen that but I have seen evil superheroes before and I’m not super interested in the concept unless they push it somewhere as deeply interesting and entertaining as Homelander Oh, i'm still thinking slasher, but set somewhere other than 'small town.' Think about the way Predator is, on one level, a straightforward slasher, but set in the middle of the ultimate 80s action movie. How it's both a great genre film and a commentary on two different genres at the same time. Having the killer be superman is blank cheque to have the setting and victims be anyone you want.
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Snowman_McK posted:Brightburn loving sucked. It had no interest in what makes successful 'what if superman was bad' story work: The evil supermen (Omni-Man and Homelander for instance) don't think they're evil. They think they're good. Omni-Man because he's executing a pretty comprehensive and successful (albeit ghastly) ideology and Homelander because, well, lots of people like him and he's a narcissist, so he must be good. Someone doing evil because they're evil is boring. Someone doing it because they think they're on the right side is inherently pretty compelling. Yeah, the kid goes from an actual character to just a mindlessly evil entity overnight. There still could have been an interesting story with his parents trying to deal with the sudden change, but its more interested in focusing on the kid and it being a slasher film.
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Snowman_McK posted:Oh, i'm still thinking slasher, but set somewhere other than 'small town.' I’d be down with this
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Snowman_McK posted:Oh, i'm still thinking slasher, but set somewhere other than 'small town.' Yeah, I guess it is an interesting premise, it was just executed in the most uninteresting, unimaginative way.
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The kid is basically Goku if he hadn't got brain damage to erase his Saiyan genocidal programming.
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CelticPredator posted:I’d rather have a slasher with interesting kills tbh. Bring back the final destination series
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It’s coming back!
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The thing is, if you do "Superman but evil", you have something like the story that inspired the character in the first place. Siegel and Shuster (or just one of them, I forget) read a story called Gladiator, which was a then-not-atypical pulp sci-fi thing about a man getting godlike powers and becoming a dangerous megalomaniac. They were the ones who thought, "Well wait, what if someone had this power and used it for good?" Obviously stories about super-powerful bad guys still work but it's not necessarily made more interesting by giving them a cape and saying "doesn't this remind you of a certain someone we don't have the rights to"?
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CelticPredator posted:It’s coming back! That rules. I still refuse to drive behind trucks bearing logs up to this day even though the bts revealed they had to cg the logs because the real things don't bounce as hard killing people
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The Saddest Rhino posted:That rules. I still refuse to drive behind trucks bearing logs up to this day even though the bts revealed they had to cg the logs because the real things don't bounce as hard killing people How many people did the SF team fail to kill with falling logs before they figured that one out???
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Sep 14, 2023 11:37
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The Saddest Rhino posted:That rules. I still refuse to drive behind trucks bearing logs up to this day even though the bts revealed they had to cg the logs because the real things don't bounce as hard killing people
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i drive alongside them where it is safest
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Payndz posted:Jeffrey Reddick (FD's creator and writer of 1&2) is a friend, and he's still delighted whenever anyone tells him they don't drive behind log trucks because of him. I advised a colleague recently, who was flying to Cape Verde on her jolly, to check out the first one.
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Alan Smithee posted:i drive alongside them where it is safest If the bands start breaking and the logs threaten to spill out, you can drive under the trailer like in Christmas Vacation!
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"Evil superhero" is dumb because we have those, they're called supervillains.
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I still maintain that the best "evil" Superman is Captain Amazing from Mystery Man, because he's a brand-obsessed corporate tool who does nothing about the source of a crisis and in fact manufactures problems that he can look good solving. That's the banality of evil, to me: to be able to do real good and use it for self enrichment.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I still maintain that the best "evil" Superman is Captain Amazing from Mystery Man, because he's a brand-obsessed corporate tool who does nothing about the source of a crisis and in fact manufactures problems that he can look good solving. That's the banality of evil, to me: to be able to do real good and use it for self enrichment. That's essentially the overall theme of The Boys too.
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Enos Cabell posted:That's essentially the overall theme of The Boys too. Yeah but they do too much edgelord poo poo. I know it's comic books but the thing about Captain Amazing is that he's not actually doing anything particularly bad (from his perspective), but his "brand management action plan" puts people in terrible danger.
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I really need to revisit Mystery Men, don't think I've seen it again since opening night.
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It's mostly guilty of being "pretty good" despite having an absolutely bonkers cast.
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Snowman_McK posted:Or thought on a much bigger scale. Slasher movies are set in small areas because of the physical limitations of a guy with a knife, and you still have to get a little creative to explain how he kills so many people. A psychopathic superman has no physical limitations. You can do literally anything. Miracleman took this to its logical conclusion. Insane-o stuff.
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The concept of "evil Superman" is always at its best when it's the phase when they're drunk on power but mostly express that in petty assholish pranks no one can stop, like straightening the leaning tower of Pisa or laser-eyeing silly mustaches onto Mount Rushmore or whatever. It's only when they run out of creative mischief and start getting bored that it devolves into "tyrannical god-king of a fascist New World Order" or "nihilistically killing people for fun like a little kid stepping on ants"
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I watched Mystery Men somewhat recently and it’s a really weird beast. The first and third acts look pretty decent with some nice matte paintings and visuals that do a good job evoking this weirdly dark surrealist look that I still remember after all this time. But the entire middle chunk of the movie feels like they just ran out of budget and slotted in parts of one of those lovely Adam Sandler comedies to get the runtime to feature length. It’s almost entirely a bunch of cheap lowbrow gags in broad daylight alternating between a forest and what might have been the backyard of an actual crew member with little to none of the sfx the first act had. I remember one scene in particular, I think it was with the bowler girl right after the hero tryouts, and it looks so randomly out of place bad like it was shot on a cheap-rear end consumer grade hand camera or something. It’s blurry, the audios bad, the grading is weird - and then in the very next scene everything was back to normal. It’s so weird, I can only imagine there were some budget issues going on behind the scenes, like they blew all their money on Smash Mouth or something like that.
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When Mystery Men came out Smash Mouth was only known for "Walkin' on the Sun" which got popular because of American Werewolf in Paris a year earlier. I doubt they cost that much at the time.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:When Mystery Men came out Smash Mouth was only known for "Walkin' on the Sun" which got popular because of American Werewolf in Paris a year earlier. I doubt they cost that much at the time. I refuse to believe American Werewolf in Paris made anything popular.
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More like it was on the soundtrack and pushed hard on the radio.
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