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golden bubble posted:From what I heard, this latest attack was 10 storm sparrows + 3 drone boats in a single combined attack. None of the boats connected, and only 3 of the storm sparrows hit, but that was enough to end the Kilo and the sub. These numbers are verbatim from the Russian MoD statement btw, so lol The same statement describes the ship and sub as “damaged”
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Parkingtigers posted:A Kilo? That's a heavy loss. 
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MrYenko posted:Submerging in submarine that had the anechoic tiles burn off the pressure hull is gonna be a no from me, dawg. Trade it to North Korea for ammo.
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Navy didn't get the memo from the Air Force, and was still putting tires on the sides of the ships, not the top, huh?
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Ukraine claims to have destroyed an S-400 in Yevpatoria, Crimea by first destroying it's radar with drones and then firing Neptunes at it. Seems like that is a thing that shouldn't really happen to your state of the art air defense system.
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:Ukraine claims to have destroyed an S-400 in Yevpatoria, Crimea by first destroying it's radar with drones and then firing Neptunes at it. Seems like that is a thing that shouldn't really happen to your state of the art air defense system. Right from the start of the war there have been videos of air defense systems getting blasted by drones without apparently being noticed. FPV drones or drones dropping grenades. I'm wondering whether it's the crews who don't know what they're doing or whether drones are just small enough targets that they don't really register as something to shoot down. EDIT: Also worth noting it's not just an S-400 launcher but an entire S-400 battery, including radars, spare ammo, extra launchers, etc. that Ukraine is saying they've blown up. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702217513050779876 https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702217518138413464 quote:The location of the battery was leaked last year by a Russian tourist. PurpleXVI fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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Sep 14, 2023 11:27
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PurpleXVI posted:Right from the start of the war there have been videos of air defense systems getting blasted by drones without apparently being noticed. FPV drones or drones dropping grenades. I'm wondering whether it's the crews who don't know what they're doing or whether drones are just small enough targets that they don't really register as something to shoot down. Hoo boy, you'd think in a hot war they'd move those batteries more than once a year, but guess I'm not a military genius.
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I'm going to guess that the big fuckoff s400 battery isn't supposed to engage quadcopters and RC planes. That's the job of other assets. One does wonder what the Tunguskas and whatnot are doing. It does feel like the Russian GBAD network is slowly unraveling.
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I was thinking how screwed up it was that someone took a picture of themselves with the air defense and how social media and the need for attention is having such an effect on this war. Got me thinking about what would happen in this country, would people do the same thing if they came upon air defense? Or any other kind of military equipment? The answer is probably yes. But then I got to thinking about the difference between how Russian civilians and Ukrainian civilians are treating this and it probably comes down to the fact that the Russian civilians have no idea how badly the war is going. So why wouldn't I take a picture next to it? If we're absolutely beating those terrible people to death then what harm could it be? Social media will be the death of us all. Hopefully
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The bombers /missiles always get through. Even an amazing Air Defense will never stop everything, especially over time. It's done it's doctrinal job of denying the air, the Russians problem is that gets you nothing if you can't win on the ground; like they thought they would.
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My comfortable minded former coworker at my civilian job one time came running up to me, soldier in the national guard for satellite poo poo, and showed me a picture of some satellite terminals and asked if that poo poo was for Jade Helm crowd control. Firstly, if it was, I couldn't tell him and secondly, they were literally my unit's terminals as in I physically touched the ones in the pic he showed. Thirdly, this was a satellite communications job -- we looked at satellite terminals every day.
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Flyinglemur posted:I was thinking how screwed up it was that someone took a picture of themselves with the air defense and how social media and the need for attention is having such an effect on this war. Got me thinking about what would happen in this country, would people do the same thing if they came upon air defense? Or any other kind of military equipment? The answer is probably yes. Early in the war there were a couple of notable incidents of Ukrainian reservists/TDF troop concentrations getting hit due to poor opsec regarding social media, after that, it felt like everyone got the message on the Ukrainian side. This was, I'll note, like half a year before the Christmas celebration where Russian mobiks blew their opsec so badly that a triple digit number of them got vaporized in one strike. Didn't help that they were apparently celebrating on top of an ammo dump, too. https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1702279299309416574 quote:As 60 Russian soldiers withdrew to “more favorable positions,” in the village of Optyne near Donetsk, a drone operator mistook them for attacking Ukrainian forces and called in an artillery strike. It feels like every time there's been an article about how the Russian forces are adapting, overcoming, learning and not just continuing the same mistakes as earlier in the war, it feels like something like this pops up where we're learning that no, they're also committing new and exciting mistakes. PurpleXVI fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:Ukraine claims to have destroyed an S-400 in Yevpatoria, Crimea by first destroying it's radar with drones and then firing Neptunes at it. Seems like that is a thing that shouldn't really happen to your state of the art air defense system. S-400 is a heavy area air defense system with missiles that weigh two tons and are the length of a telephone pole. Its job is making sure no-one gets to play skygod at high altitudes in a bubble couple of hundred km in diameter. It's not very useful for hitting anything small or close to the ground, it's supposed to be defended by other stuff. Either the other stuff was asleep, or it was withdrawn to guard Putin's dacha, or something.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Either the other stuff was asleep, or it was withdrawn to guard Putin's dacha, or something. Or they shot it all already. A horde of cheap drones is a viable way to deplete enemy air defences.
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McGavin posted:The kilo is no big loss. Kadyrov has plenty of kilos to spare. he is protected by spare tire
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PurpleXVI posted:Early in the war there were a couple of notable incidents of Ukrainian reservists/TDF troop concentrations getting hit due to poor opsec regarding social media, after that, it felt like everyone got the message on the Ukrainian side. "good news general! We have been over 30% effective in artillery targeting!"
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How certain are we that it was friendly fire and not gently caress you for retreating fire? At this point it feels like a coin flip
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Flyinglemur posted:I was thinking how screwed up it was that someone took a picture of themselves with the air defense and how social media and the need for attention is having such an effect on this war. Got me thinking about what would happen in this country, would people do the same thing if they came upon air defense? Or any other kind of military equipment? The answer is probably yes. Two decades of operating amongst unfriendly civilians did a good job of convincing the US military of the need to keep the lid on social media posts. At the very least, they wouldn't let tourists just walk right up ...
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Flyinglemur posted:How certain are we that it was friendly fire and not gently caress you for retreating fire? At this point it feels like a coin flip once the retreating troops close the distance it goes from punishment fire to whoopsy fire
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Tuna-Fish posted:S-400 is a heavy area air defense system with missiles that weigh two tons and are the length of a telephone pole. Its job is making sure no-one gets to play skygod at high altitudes in a bubble couple of hundred km in diameter. It's not very useful for hitting anything small or close to the ground, it's supposed to be defended by other stuff. I read in one of the analysis threads that this is sort of what's expected in a strategic sense for air defenses. Poke a hole in air defenses in one place and if there isn't enough capacity somewhere else to move in and plug that hole you get to use that hole to poke another hole, and then another, and suddenly there's swiss cheese for defense and nothing is really safe so all the high priority stuff starts getting blown to chunky bits. Seems to be lining up pretty well with what's going on.
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Tuna-Fish posted:S-400 is a heavy area air defense system with missiles that weigh two tons and are the length of a telephone pole. Its job is making sure no-one gets to play skygod at high altitudes in a bubble couple of hundred km in diameter. It's not very useful for hitting anything small or close to the ground, it's supposed to be defended by other stuff. There was a lot of AA tracers being fired in the footage that was put online. But obviously it was not effective against whatever had been fired by Ukraine. White smoke is always an important signal, either there is a new pope or lots of AA missile propellant going boom.
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Does the RC-135 have electronic countermeasures that could have messed with the missile's targeting? Or was it just another case of the Russians bringing pencils.
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Periodic reminder that no matter your feelings on the ethics and legality of classification, some people in this forum need a clearance to keep their job so DO NOT POST LEAKED CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, LINKS TO CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR SCREENSHOTS OF CLASSIFIED poo poo. Thank you.
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Take that poo poo to the War Thunder forums
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The Door Frame posted:Take that poo poo to the War Thunder forums OK, well I was able to answer my question through publicly available information. Yes, it does. And yes, it presumably can (and did).
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Oh I wasn’t posting in response to your question sorry.
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I doubt the tourist picture was how the S-400 battery was located, I think they are going to make that dude a scapegoat. Wouldn't big, immobile installations like the S-400 or Patriot be pretty high priority for satellite locating and monitoring? And we keep seeing the NATO electronic reconnaissance jets and global hawk doing laps in the black sea- I would assume they have every radar in Crimea triangulated by now.
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FrozenVent posted:Oh I wasn’t posting in response to your question sorry. All good. I realized after the fact that it could have accidentally gone beyond a simple yes/no response to something classified pretty quickly.
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PurpleXVI posted:Right from the start of the war there have been videos of air defense systems getting blasted by drones without apparently being noticed. FPV drones or drones dropping grenades. I'm wondering whether it's the crews who don't know what they're doing or whether drones are just small enough targets that they don't really register as something to shoot down. Yeah that's big. Russia seems to have plenty of air defense launchers. But good air defense radars and command vehicles are in short supply over there. Taking those out is a big success for the Ukrainians.
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psydude posted:Two decades of operating amongst unfriendly civilians did a good job of convincing the US military of the need to keep the lid on social media posts. At the very least, they wouldn't let tourists just walk right up ... I meant, if we were the defending country and an American influencer happened upon a Patriot Battery they would absolutely do a TikTok dance in front of it
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Flyinglemur posted:I meant, if we were the defending country and an American influencer happened upon a Patriot Battery they would absolutely do a TikTok dance in front of it No, it would be all over Nextdoor that Ashleigh's kids are inconsolable because the army decided to set up by the baseball diamonds and won't let children play underneath the missiles
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Flyinglemur posted:I meant, if we were the defending country and an American influencer happened upon a Patriot Battery they would absolutely do a TikTok dance in front of it Just give me a chance to do a Tik Tok dance. Give me a chance to do a dance! https://youtu.be/PeHF_0dyd0g?si=Fj5b1PkOlmA43k5t
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Flyinglemur posted:I meant, if we were the defending country and an American influencer happened upon a Patriot Battery they would absolutely do a TikTok dance in front of it Why do you think the US is banning TikTok? OPSEC reasons.
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FrozenVent posted:Periodic reminder that no matter your feelings on the ethics and legality of classification, some people in this forum need a clearance to keep their job so DO NOT POST LEAKED CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, LINKS TO CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR SCREENSHOTS OF CLASSIFIED poo poo. Oh good god, it finally struck the tower that is SA.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1702317371246117375quote:The UK has supplied Ukraine with #Malloy T400 heavy #UAVs, the British Defence Ministry said. Imagine how many rifle grenades they can strap to that sucker. Though, in the video in the linked tweet, they're demonstrating using one for evacuating wounded personnel. I think it's actually cool we have quadcopters big enough for those purposes now.
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psydude posted:Why do you think the US is banning TikTok? OPSEC reasons. I figured congressmen were being spammed with videos of deformed babies like me
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1702317371246117375 Bringing the magic hour to the frontline would be a no poo poo huge advantage for Ukrainian sustainment efforts and just an overall boost to morale.
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