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It’s all too believable that some unhinged gamers made death threats. This whole situation must really suck for everybody with a real job at unity E: self identified gamers are the goddamn worst
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Sep 14, 2023 17:20
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Unity doesn't make it's money from what its most popular for ironically, it's mobile ad space for years already (decade, maybe more?) so all the outrage comes from the place they are not super concerned with economically anyways.... not sure if its enough of a PR desaster (the tiny 5% drop says no) but I can easily imagine they will go on with this and no one will give a gently caress in 6 months from now. Also since it was mentioned, Epic makes most of their money from Fortnite so idk if their royalty model is sustainable or a good example for others. Not to mention that Unreal sure is great and all but not necessarily the engine you want to switch to from Unity.
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Sep 14, 2023 17:21
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calling cap on the death threat until i see an actual police report
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Fruits of the sea posted:It’s all too believable that some unhinged gamers made death threats. This whole situation must really suck for everybody with a real job at unity Gamers FTW.
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Sep 14, 2023 17:22
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The REAL Goobusters posted:so out of touch "There's no way all these developers who have mastered multiple programming languages and 3d modeling software and DAWs and video editing suites can leave our tool for any of the plethora of more reasonable alternatives. It would be too much work for them."
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Sep 14, 2023 17:24
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The REAL Goobusters posted:calling cap on the death threat until i see an actual police report Yep, if they don't go to police about this I will call bs on threats. It's easy to believe most devs about them receiving threats because it's GAMERS after all, but it's also really easy to believe sociopath executives lying about it. Sininu fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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Sep 14, 2023 17:30
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Last few days has been stressful as we're in the middle of production on Unity for our first game as a studio. We're definitely committed to getting off of Unity after we ship this game but I am not happy with a lot of the alternatives that I see (Godot is led by a bunch of wieners, UE is far too heavy for what we want to do).
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Sep 14, 2023 17:30
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this seems conspirational and i dont think they would close entire offices as a bit
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Sep 14, 2023 17:30
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ShinAli posted:Godot is led by a bunch of wieners
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Sep 14, 2023 17:30
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Feels Villeneuve posted:this seems conspirational and i dont think they would close entire offices as a bit Perhaps the goal is to keep dissatisfied employees from staging some sort of walkout
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Sep 14, 2023 17:38
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gamers send death threats when devs include they/them pronouns in their ganes i don't think it is hard to believe they'd send them over this poo poo it's lovely and unhelpful but people are dumb
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Sep 14, 2023 17:40
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:gamers send death threats when devs include they/them pronouns in their ganes i don't think it is hard to believe they'd send them over this poo poo
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Sep 14, 2023 17:41
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Sininu posted:Elaborate please.
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Sep 14, 2023 17:41
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The REAL Goobusters posted:calling cap on the death threat until i see an actual police report Someone tried to assassinate Mihoyo’s CEO over bunny girl costumes in Honkai one time. Unity’s attempt here could theoretically impact both Honkai games and the much more massive Genshin Impact alone, and the other gacha games aren’t exactly less psycho fanbase wise - the much much smaller Limbus Company over in Korea crumpled like wet tissue paper and fired an illustrator after fanatics started showing up in their office lobby and having truck protests outside over some art. Fate grand order Japan has a guy who spent $70k. etc. Crazy gacha gamers are like terminal online gamergate harassers on meth. Quite frankly if someone came in here and said fans were making calls for the military to invade unity HQ and liberate their mobile game, I would just go “yup, that sounds about right.”
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Sep 14, 2023 17:48
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I'm not saying its not possible. I just choose to not believe John Riccitielo's word until someone pulls up the police report.
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Sep 14, 2023 17:49
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I'm more interested in lawsuits than death threats. If someone were going to sue unity over the new terms, would they have to do it after they were billed or would now be ok?
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Sep 14, 2023 17:50
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Sininu posted:Elaborate please. There was an issue on github where they replaced a lot of uses of a linked lists with simpler data structures like fixed sized arrays/etc on an experimental branch and shown performance numbers, only to have one of the leads jump down their throats and accusing them of doing all that in bad faith. They've used master/slave terminology for some system, and resisted people pushing for it to change for awhile until they relented. They had a lot of comments like "this is just US political correctness culture" with their push back. Those kinds of responses really turn me off, even for a relatively minor thing. At the very least I don't really trust their engineering chops.
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Sep 14, 2023 17:52
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No Wave posted:I'm more interested in lawsuits than death threats. If someone were going to sue unity over the new terms, would they have to do it after they were billed or would now be ok? You start it now if you think you can get an injunction, otherwise you have to wait until you have suffered actual damages.
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Sep 14, 2023 17:53
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Enough folks got their lives hosed enough, potentially, by this that it wouldn't need to be a barmy Gamer(TM) to get this.
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Sep 14, 2023 18:16
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oh no!!!! anyway
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Sep 14, 2023 18:18
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this thread's obsession with jacking off about how bad the Gamers (who arent them) are is insane. i dont think death threats are a good idea but this is the kind of poo poo that ruins jobs, careers, and lives. it is not unreasonable or unexpected that things would escalate to that level. comparing it to poo poo like bunny suits in a mobile game is moronic.
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Sep 14, 2023 18:18
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your all gamers
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also yeah that
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Sep 14, 2023 18:19
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I kind of don't care at all about threats to a scumbag CEO? I only care about the workers.
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Sep 14, 2023 18:21
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Endorph posted:this thread's obsession with jacking off about how bad the Gamers (who arent them) are is insane. i dont think death threats are a good idea but this is the kind of poo poo that ruins jobs, careers, and lives. it is not unreasonable or unexpected that things would escalate to that level. comparing it to poo poo like bunny suits in a mobile game is moronic. you do realize that people were only using those comparisons in response to the idea that the death threats were fake, right
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Sep 14, 2023 18:21
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Feels Villeneuve posted:your all gamers Not all of us come from the Gamer region of France, some of us are just sparkling no-life losers.
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Sep 14, 2023 18:22
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The vast, vast majority of people I know as 'gamers' are pretty cool 
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Sep 14, 2023 18:23
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:you do realize that people were only using those comparisons in response to the idea that the death threats were fake, right I will always assume Riccitiello is lying unless it is about screwing over people for money until proven otherwise
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Sep 14, 2023 18:24
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I meant it more in the sense of “The game which had Mihoyo’s CEO facing an attempted assassination isn’t even the most popular of Mihoyo’s three games on Unity, and the genre of mobile games has a history of these sorts of death threats/office threats and is also predominantly unity, so I’d take any death threat claims as pretty credible by default here given the poo poo that’s happened over infinitely less important things around the space.”
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Sep 14, 2023 18:25
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i think closing offices for a day tends to be disruptive and doesnt really seem to be something you would do for sympathy
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Sep 14, 2023 18:25
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pyrotek posted:I will always assume Riccitiello is lying unless it is about screwing over people for money until proven otherwise i mean i don't trust the 'players should pay every time they reload their guns' guy either but given how many times death threats and doxxing and other such horrible bullshit has happened over the most trivial poo poo imaginable, it seems pretty believable that something that actually matters would result in that especially as these changes have led to the most universally negative reaction to something gaming-related that i think i have ever seen
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Sep 14, 2023 18:28
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No Wave posted:I'm more interested in lawsuits than death threats. If someone were going to sue unity over the new terms, would they have to do it after they were billed or would now be ok? Sheridans posted:It’s clearly early days with Unity's changes to its pricing policies and it may be that the PR backlash will determine what happens next. However, it is far from certain that Unity’s plans will be able to progress even if it doesn’t effect a U-Turn – at least not without significant legal risk.
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Sep 14, 2023 18:43
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The Kins posted:The London-based law firm Sheridans has posted their analysis of the Unity Stuff over at LinkedIn.
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I’m certain there are death threats from Concerned Gamers, but I don’t see any reason to believe they’re why Unity has closed its offices beyond Riccitello’s word (which is absolutely meaningless). Given the reports coming from inside Unity, I actually think it’s more likely they’re worried about being attacked by their own workers for singlehandedly destroying the thing they’ve sunk a decade of their lives into.
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EDIT: yeah don't want to go down that road sorry about that
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Sep 14, 2023 18:52
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i am begging people to stop posting conspiracy theories involving a company inexplicably closing offices because this somehow benefits them
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Yeah I get wanting to not take the lovely CEO at face value and it sucks that the discussion of the actual point is going to be derailed by this bullshit, but less than a week after someone was actively planning to show up to a Roblox developer conference with a loaded gun to go on a spree is probably not the time to assume "surely Unity's conveniently lying about this"
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Sep 14, 2023 18:57
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Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I feel like executives should be afraid of stepping out of their front door. Always.
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I am a gamer and since I am the worst I can therefor conclude that all Gamers are the worst. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-09gNDsPzQ Mordiceius posted:Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I feel like executives should be afraid of stepping out of their front door. Always. I'm OK with this.
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