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I might finally watch Deadwood Might rewatch Black Sails Lots of options!
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FlamingLiberal posted:Sure seems like a lot more of these shows are willing to be picketed All the assholes and crypto chuds with talk shows really coming out of the woodwork
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Sep 14, 2023 02:18
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...! posted:I might finally watch Deadwood I just finished watching all Deadwood 3 seasons + movie. Treat yo’ self!
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...! posted:I might finally watch Deadwood Be prepared to experience some of the most beautifully constructed and gloriously profane dialogue ever to grace television.
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Sep 14, 2023 02:45
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FlamingLiberal posted:Sure seems like a lot more of these shows are willing to be picketed After what he said about the WGA on his podcast this is the least surprising poo poo.
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Sep 14, 2023 03:00
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I got caught in some wicked traffic this morning driving on the 101 through Hollywood, until I spotted the helicopters and realized I was driving right under Sunset where protestors were gathering to march from Netflix to Paramount. I have no idea how big the crowd was today, but it was screwing up the Sunset, Santa Monica and Hollywood exits both ways on the 101! Now that the weather is decent, I hope to bring the kids out to picket one of these days. It would be nice for them to get a taste of the work people are putting in to make sure they are taken care of on set. Thanks to all the goons on the lines!
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Sep 14, 2023 06:29
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FlamingLiberal posted:Sure seems like a lot more of these shows are willing to be picketed I’m sure the IATSE people working his show love being used as human shields for his greed.
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Sep 14, 2023 16:05
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Gaz-L posted:After what he said about the WGA on his podcast this is the least surprising poo poo. https://x.com/BradleyWhitford/status/1702196319966924876?s=20
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Nucleic Acids posted:I’m sure the IATSE people working his show love being used as human shields for his greed. I'm sure he'll shrug and say "no one wants to work anymore" when he finds out half his backstage staff aren't there anymore
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Sep 14, 2023 17:32
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean they did leak those comments about this at least going through the end of the year....so it wouldn't be a massive surprise. I know some of that is just gamesmanship, but if the studios think they can outlast the writers and actors this will drag on for some time. There’s been tons of doomer predictions about losing the entire TV season, and yet there’s zero urgency coming from the studios. Here we are on day 137ish and the WGA has received exactly one offer from the studios, back on August 11. WGA submitted their counter-offer on August 15 and then… silence (well not silence, the negotiating committee got a lecture from the CEOs about being good little workers). It’s so bizarre to me. Modern CEOs are petty enough to deliberately let the strike go on because they feel slighted. Tanking the economies of LA and NY, keeping thousands and thousands of people out of work, all because the idea of giving their employees job security makes them total cucks in their own minds.
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Sep 14, 2023 19:40
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I’m not entirely surprised to hear this, but Disney is shopping ABC now. There have been persistent rumors that they are also either going to spin off or sell ESPN at some point. https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1702386437608411190?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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Sep 14, 2023 20:08
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Argyle posted:There’s been tons of doomer predictions about losing the entire TV season, and yet there’s zero urgency coming from the studios. Here we are on day 137ish and the WGA has received exactly one offer from the studios, back on August 11. WGA submitted their counter-offer on August 15 and then… silence (well not silence, the negotiating committee got a lecture from the CEOs about being good little workers). Very observant, but I would add that they also fear looking "cucked" in front of other executives - not just ones in entertainment. Their circle of peers is very small and ridiculously competitive, full of the same psycho type A personalities. They're all in this little golden pond trying constantly to eat each other. "Hey Zazlav hows your strike coming?" asks the CEO of Yelp or whatever, at a Martha's Vineyard party, "You about ready to pay out?" He laughs, condescendingly. Whether that sentiment is real or imagined, It boils down to not wanting to take the L. This strike has turned into some big "thing" now, being watched worldwide, and they hardballed themselves into a corner where capitulation looks like weakness. They had one too many coke parties over getting away with playing shell games with their metrics that they've mistaken it for being the new normal. They honestly thought they could keep that for one more round, and to them it does feel like a deeply personal slight to now have to publicly give that up (to poors of all people, not some rival exec). I don't think they truly expected the guilds to hold so firm on so many of these issues.
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As rich and powerful as they are, they still have people they answer to. The CEOs need to be able to say they won so that that is the focus, rather than for instance the loss of $500m in one year when it could have been spread over ten.
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Sep 14, 2023 22:09
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He’s right but hasn’t he done Bill’s show dozens of times?
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:As rich and powerful as they are, they still have people they answer to. The CEOs need to be able to say they won so that that is the focus, rather than for instance the loss of $500m in one year when it could have been spread over ten. The people they answer to are the shareholders and I am gonna go out on a limb here and assume that shareholders in general are anti-union since big bad unions do things like cost money and decrease profits from constantly going up up up
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Argyle posted:There’s been tons of doomer predictions about losing the entire TV season, and yet there’s zero urgency coming from the studios. Here we are on day 137ish and the WGA has received exactly one offer from the studios, back on August 11. WGA submitted their counter-offer on August 15 and then… silence (well not silence, the negotiating committee got a lecture from the CEOs about being good little workers). They lost ten times what it would’ve cost them to give us everything we asked for. These are not rational people, and this is no longer a rational business. Variety Warner Bros. Discovery CFO Says Company Wants to Resolve Strikes ASAP After Disclosing up to $500 Million Earnings Hit From Work Stoppages https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/warner-bros-discovery-cfo-strikes-resolution-earnings-hit-1235722234/ Shawna Benson It seems like Zaslav and his execs personally profit from a longer strike. In March, WB (he) changede how they are paid -- now from free cash flow. Logic dictates, the longer the strike goes, the more free cash there is for them. A curious happenstance. HollywoodReporter Warner Bros. Discovery Tweaks Executive Pay, David Zaslav and Other Execs to Get Bonuses Based on... Zaslav will be eligible for PRSUs, based on cash flow, while a pot of $27 million will be offered to other key execs and employees. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/warner-bros-discovery-executive-pay-david-zaslav-cash-flow-1235341752/
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FlamingLiberal posted:I’m not entirely surprised to hear this, but Disney is shopping ABC now. There have been persistent rumors that they are also either going to spin off or sell ESPN at some point.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:The people they answer to are the shareholders and I am gonna go out on a limb here and assume that shareholders in general are anti-union since big bad unions do things like cost money and decrease profits from constantly going up up up Uh, yes, that's a given. They also don't like having their money pissed away on exorbitantly expensive failures of strategy either. CEO's live and die by the quarterlies, they can try to rig things so they profit in the way WB have, but tremendous avoidable loss sustained over time is one of the few things that actually can carry consequences for them from the shareholders.
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The one risk on that front is if the CEOs take this situation as a personal sunk cost, and have resigned themselves to resigning and are just trying to claw as much cash as they can for themselves before their golden parachute deal kicks in.
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Assepoester posted:Rogers This is something I was wondering about but couldn't get an answer in thread. It's wild stuff
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Aren't all the things the unions asking for be things companies should just have to do anyway? I know our government is broken but all of their demands seem like things that should just be codified into law so all workers get those as baseline benefits. Might it be worthwhile to pressure their representatives with the same unified voice and circumvent trying to make deals with the devils directly? Especially since the execs are all pissing away government mega millions to do shady poo poo like not release finished media to scam the government out of even more money while avoiding paying workers to boot. Why isn't there an irrational senator who just wants to make some CEOs humbled and eat the dirt they deserve?
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LividLiquid posted:Jesus Christ, it's gonna' be Sinclair who buys it and we'll basically have Fox News on broadcast TV. Sinclair already owns a fuckton of local ABC affiliates though.
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nine-gear crow posted:Sinclair already owns a fuckton of local ABC affiliates though. One of happens to be WJLA , the ABC affiliate of Washington DC which is near their HQ. Food for thought.
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Khanstant posted:Aren't all the things the unions asking for be things companies should just have to do anyway? I know our government is broken but all of their demands seem like things that should just be codified into law so all workers get those as baseline benefits. This feels pretty disconnected from the negotiations. The writers are asking for things like "minimum writing room sizes that vary based on the number of episodes", "three weeks to write an episode minimum", "adding a new job rank of 'Writer-Producer'", and a minimum wage of up to ~$6,000/week for writers in writers' rooms. SAG are asking for things like "studio provides individualised hair-and-makeup consulting for every performer", "singer-dancers get paid more than just the base singer or base dancer rate", "additional compensation for performers made to wear corsets", "additional compensation for stand-ins when they also serve as extras or rehearsal scene partners", "let's agree to some standards for self-taped auditions so actors aren't getting into an arms race of buying more expensive tech because they're trying to get better quality recordings than their competition", "more predictable timelines for informing actors if and when their character will be working on TV series". These are extremely specialised, idiosyncratic demands. It's impossible to imagine that legislators would have the capacity or skill to go industry by industry and write stuff this specific into law for everyone. They don't have expertise, and they don't have a real stake. That's what makes collective bargaining so great - workers are experts in their own jobs, and empowering them to negotiate allows them to improve their conditions. Make unionising easier, force sectoral bargaining on industry, yeah. But a world in which the California State Senate is debating how an actor's stand-in is behaving on set doesn't make a lot of sense.
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nine-gear crow posted:Sinclair already owns a fuckton of local ABC affiliates though.
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fart blood posted:Talks with WGA resuming next week Guild just sent a one-sentence email to members: “Dear members, The WGA and AMPTP are in the process of scheduling a time to get back in the room. In solidarity, WGA Negotiating Committee” Maybe the October 1 deadline was real after all.
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Also the execs in question donate a ton to politicians so anything that would help them out from that angle will easily die in committee or get vetoed. You can't VOTE your way out of this.
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Feldegast42 posted:Also the execs in question donate a ton to politicians so anything that would help them out from that angle will easily die in committee or get vetoed. You can't VOTE your way out of this. 'Cept a bill to grant the strikers unemployment passed rhe Cali house and Senate and is on Newsome's desk
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Khanstant posted:Aren't all the things the unions asking for be things companies should just have to do anyway? I know our government is broken but all of their demands seem like things that should just be codified into law so all workers get those as baseline benefits. lol if you think this country cares about workers enough to mandate anything like that Double lol if you think that'll get better any time soon
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you love to see it https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1702466164570329216
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kliras posted:you love to see it I guess this is why negotiations are continuing next week then?
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Not that I expect most Americans to care, but the CEOs prolonging the strike is having a devastating effect on the VFX industry around the world, which their money spinning blockbusters and TV shows rely on. If there's no deal this autumn, by the new year I'm guessing 75% of VFX artists around the world will be out of work and a significant chunk won't return. There's already a shortage of seniors in the field so brain drain will absolutely affect delivering shots on big and mid budget films in the future.
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Rollie Fingers posted:Not that I expect most Americans to care, but the CEOs prolonging the strike is having a devastating effect on the VFX industry around the world, which their money spinning blockbusters and TV shows rely on.
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bunnyofdoom posted:'Cept a bill to grant the strikers unemployment passed rhe Cali house and Senate and is on Newsome's desk Well never mind then! Nice to actually see the system work for a change 
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...! posted:lol if you think this country cares about workers enough to mandate anything like that Save your lols, I don't let myself actually think anything hopeful. However, I do still have an easier time imagining Mitch McConnel himself stepping in to implement luxury automated gay space communism over some of the execs just agreeing to make marginally less undeserved profit for any reason.
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Feldegast42 posted:Well never mind then! Nice to actually see the system work for a change Yeah, man. This is California. It's pretty great.
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The beauty is, where goes California on a progressive issue, often so goes Oregon and Washington and vice/versa, and if the entire West Coast decides striking workers are good, actually, that could have much farther-reaching effects. Yes, I'm nine steps out from something that hasn't even happened yet, but just a few years ago I would never allow myself to have this moonshot of a hope, but the labor movement is gaining ground loving *everywhere* in hearts and minds. Even a lot of Republican voters are loving sick of being kicked around by rich douchebags and this is anecdotal, but the propensity for people to lick boot about their boss's boss's boss's boss seems to be dropping.
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