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Tesseraction posted:Good parts like Sure Start, which ken plans to scrap as too communist. Like it's one of the ones we have decades of data on thanks to the HighScope Perry Preschool Project. It has never been about saving money though. e: The 49th G7 summit was held this year.
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Gort posted:Yeah, what the gently caress. Replying to a random link in the chain rather than you personally. But is it not to avoid the thing in the linked article? Where the kids was in trouble for buying a non branded skirt from the wrong supplier? So like ok they can insist on the supplier for 3 branded items, but everything else can be got from Primark or whatever rather than through the approved supplier. Like trousers and skirts don't usually have logos on them.
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Tesseraction posted:Good parts like Sure Start, which ken plans to scrap as too communist. the UK definitely exists in a space simultaneously between 'increasingly adverse environment to having and raising children' and 'wtf not enough children economy will collapse'
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The frisbee dog meme but "no, no child support, only have kids"
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This is why you get all the great replacement conspiracy theories. People can generally see that "you need at least 2.1 children per fertile woman to keep the population replaced" and "you are only allowed 2 children" and put two and two together, but then end up at "globalist neomarxists want to replace all the children with immigrants who will harvest our adrenochrome" because the alternative of "kids take decades to be economically active and we've forgotten how to plan more than half a leadership cycle in advance and the papers are mean to us when we try to do anything" somehow sounds even more absurd.
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School uniforms are dumb, just like calling your teachers by their last name and feel like a remnant of some Victorian poo poo. The only reason I've ever heard for them is 'stops bullying based on having cheap clothes' which never happens because kids can get different shoes or phones or backpacks or notebooks or that kids know which areas are the "rough" areas to live in. My school uniform was literally 'plain shirt or jumper with the school logo ironed onto it' which is as inoffensive as you can get with a school uniform and it was still dumb.
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Nah I like the idea of uniforms. Takes away one aspect of peer pressure as a kid, they have enough of them, they don't need more.
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I'm glad they didn't have uniforms when I was in school. Or at least everyone ignored it so they couldn't enforce it, short of the ban on football shirts outside of PE.
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It’s extremely simple to have a uniform without having “you must buy these precise trousers from this one particular shop who slip the headmaster a very nice backhander every year”
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uniforms are fine but shouldnt be anything more than 'here's the criteria: white shirt, black trousers, navy jumper - no visible branding' instead of insisting that it come from specific approved suppliers e: also blazers and ties are stupid as hell, why do children need to be made to wear them kecske fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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Mega Comrade posted:Nah I like the idea of uniforms. Takes away one aspect of peer pressure as a kid, they have enough of them, they don't need more. I think if this was true everyone wouldn't be so happy for non uniform days and I wouldn't have attended mine in a tracksuit.
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Mega Comrade posted:Nah I like the idea of uniforms. Takes away one aspect of peer pressure as a kid, they have enough of them, they don't need more. That's patently not what happens, though? You let kids dress how they want, the poor kid gets mocked for not being able to afford nice clothes. You make everyone wear uniform to take that away, and you get this story where the poor kid is being mocked for not being able to afford the official uniform. The issue is not what the kids have on their backs. Kids are little shits, there will always be peer pressure. The real issue is one of inequality of social status and wealth.
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Mega Comrade posted:Nah I like the idea of uniforms. Takes away one aspect of peer pressure as a kid, they have enough of them, they don't need more. Should be like in army. You get one handed to you when you join. You give it back when you leave. The same clothes get passed from generation to another, repaired on the way.
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The countries without uniform requirements don't have big movements demanding uniforms to relieve peer pressure. I think uniforms are just a matter of inertia really.
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If your school uniform involves a blazer that’s basically child abuse Stop conditioning children to grow up to be suit cunts
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Guavanaut posted:This is why you get all the great replacement conspiracy theories. People can generally see that "you need at least 2.1 children per fertile woman to keep the population replaced" and "you are only allowed 2 children" and put two and two together, You mean they put two and two point one together
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kecske posted:uniforms are fine but shouldnt be anything more than 'here's the criteria: white shirt, black trousers, navy jumper - no visible branding' instead of insisting that it come from specific approved suppliers They seem to manage fine on the continent without specific school uniforms
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Nenonen posted:Should be like in army. You get one handed to you when you join. You give it back when you leave. The same clothes get passed from generation to another, repaired on the way. Microplastics posted:You mean they put two and two point one together 
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Asia has the right idea when it comes to school uniforms None of this mini-me banker shite
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forkboy84 posted:They seem to manage fine on the continent without specific school uniforms good for them but this is Hell Island and while such things are mandated they should be as minimally onerous as possible
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Shock, horror, this is generally what people wore at my school (it's from a christmas event, but basically identical to what everyone wore normally): e: eh, maybe too personal It was even a moderately posh one. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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I've changed my mind: uniforms are good because they're conditioning kids to understand that the people who are in charge and make the decisions that impact their lives (but never the decision maker's life) are all loving idiots.
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Miftan posted:I've changed my mind: uniforms are good because they're conditioning kids to understand that the people who are in charge and make the decisions that impact their lives (but never the decision maker's life) are all loving idiots. The excuse my school always came out with any time it tried to feebly enforce the uniform was "it prepares you for work where you will be expected to follow a dress code" but bro, work pays me.
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Gort posted:The countries without uniform requirements don't have big movements demanding uniforms to relieve peer pressure. I think uniforms are just a matter of inertia really.  Its countries that had rich kid schools. They forced their kids to cosplay Jacob Rees Mogg in order to add another rung on the 'we are better than you' class status ladder. And it trickled down to the normal schools eventually.
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Miftan posted:I've changed my mind: uniforms are good because they're conditioning kids to understand that the people who are in charge and make the decisions that impact their lives (but never the decision maker's life) are all loving idiots. Unfortunately it seems that it also produces a section of them who think it's all a very good idea, and they go on to be the ones in charge next.
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forkboy84 posted:The excuse my school always came out with any time it tried to feebly enforce the uniform was "it prepares you for work where you will be expected to follow a dress code" but bro, work pays me. I've never had a job with a dress code that didn't also provide the clothes free of charge soooooo OwlFancier posted:Unfortunately it seems that it also produces a section of them who think it's all a very good idea, and they go on to be the ones in charge next. I suspect this is just a fact a life, but I will still always think uniforms are stupid. As is calling your teachers by their last name which is even worse imo. Who gives a poo poo.
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Yeah, when I was a postman they even gave me the shoes.
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It prepares you for work where you will be expected to use your wages to buy overpriced uniforms for your kids.
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Gort posted:Yeah, when I was a postman they even gave me the shoes. Even mediocre places will get you shoes if you need them for safety reasons (steel toed, etc.) or health reasons (walking a ton like a postman or the army or whatever). The fact that schools make you pay for your own uniform is probably a net drain on poorer households. Sure, your kids won't get mocked (they will, even if it's for something else), but at least now you can't afford the heating!
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School uniform should look like a sack and have a huge label printed in Comic Sans saying "SHITE oval office". This would effectively put an end to all bullying because everyone is a shite oval office. It should also cost £500.
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In a country where being a shite oval office competitively is synonymous with success I am not sure that is true.
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Jedit posted:That's patently not what happens, though? You let kids dress how they want, the poor kid gets mocked for not being able to afford nice clothes. You make everyone wear uniform to take that away, and you get this story where the poor kid is being mocked for not being able to afford the official uniform. The issue that can easily be solved then, even by a Starmer Government is the school demanded some ridiculous uniform. Put a cap on how much it can cost.
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Tesseraction posted:The frisbee dog meme but "no, no child support, only have kids" 
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forkboy84 posted:The excuse my school always came out with any time it tried to feebly enforce the uniform was "it prepares you for work where you will be expected to follow a dress code" but bro, work pays me. how much training and practice do you need to be able to wear a specific set of clothes
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Also how many jobs actually have a uniform, outside of retail and some field engineering jobs maybe. I'm pretty sure not a single person in the picture I posted above ever needed to wear a uniform at work (well there's some lawyers and such, so depends on your definition of uniform I guess).
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It’s more about having the desire to not dress like an uncomfortable oval office every day of your life beaten out of you
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If you're a man and work in an office you get to be adventurous with your tie. But not much else.
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Saying that I solved the problem from the inside by getting a job with a dress code, becoming management, and gradually eroding the dress code away to a tiny nub by just refusing to adhere to it or enforce it. Then I moved back out of management and it’s become “the way things are” so 
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Private Speech posted:Also how many jobs actually have a uniform, outside of retail and some field engineering jobs maybe. Which wouldn't actually be too bad as a school uniform. You can use the namebadge to log in to whatever they have now.
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History Comes Inside! posted:Saying that I solved the problem from the inside by getting a job with a dress code, becoming management, and gradually eroding the dress code away to a tiny nub by just refusing to adhere to it or enforce it. This is the one thing I miss about being in management, being able to slow but surely ignore all of the lovely anti-staff practice's my company wanted to enforce and then being smug about it when my branch has the best staff retention and performance.
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