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I think I see the post-apocalyptic genre as being set fairly soon after the apocalypse to where you're still intensely feeling the effects of the collapse of civilization. I don't think three thousand years later really qualifies.
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Yeah — we haven't seen anything about the actual apocalypse on-screen in the show (yet?), so one might be forgiven for thinking it's just "society has gradually degraded from the High Old Times to the present medieval swords and sorcery" a la LotR, rather than "the world pretty much exploded and this is how far they've rebuilt it in 3000 years"
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Sep 13, 2023 21:19
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Data Graham posted:Yeah — we haven't seen anything about the actual apocalypse on-screen in the show (yet?), so one might be forgiven for thinking it's just "society has gradually degraded from the High Old Times to the present medieval swords and sorcery" a la LotR, rather than "the world pretty much exploded and this is how far they've rebuilt it in 3000 years"
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Sep 13, 2023 21:25
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I can't remember if this was in the show itself or if it was part of the supplemental bonus videos but to give a sense of apocalyptic scale it's called "The Breaking of the World" and there are examples of why that name is extremely literal
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Sep 13, 2023 21:26
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IcePhoenix posted:I can't remember if this was in the show itself or if it was part of the supplemental bonus videos but to give a sense of apocalyptic scale it's called "The Breaking of the World" and there are examples of why that name is extremely literal Even in this latest episode Rand says "From up here the world looks like it still fits together, like it's not broken" or some such. And the sheinarans whole thing is about having to face the monsters from that time still to this day.
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Sep 13, 2023 21:41
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"The world is still broken" seems to be a pretty consistent message they're trying to hammer in
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Sep 13, 2023 22:23
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Gwaihir posted:Rand definitely has a case of ProtagonistPower in terms of like, Channeling is supposed to be very difficult and take a lot of practice, but even as someone with literally zero training he can come up with the thing he just happens to need at the time. There's an in universe reason, kinda, but, it's still a trope for a reason. Less so when WoT was first written, but we're not in the 80s anymore lol. Good explanation, other than on power ability Rand is more like a 15.
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LionArcher posted:Untagged spoilers We really don't know how they are going to handle certain things, so maybe talking about what Goku's power level will be in his Super Saiyan form is a little premature. We haven't even seen Frieza's second form yet!
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Colonel Cool posted:I think I see the post-apocalyptic genre as being set fairly soon after the apocalypse to where you're still intensely feeling the effects of the collapse of civilization. I don't think three thousand years later really qualifies. Though it's got the issue of a lot of fantasy where it's not just distant post-apocalypse but it's also relatively stagnant/fading rather than having done any real recovery. The real ancient/medieval world didn't have vast expanses of wilderness with no people to speak of in them, unless it was inhospitable land that could only support scattered populations or humans literally hadn't gotten there yet; at best it had people who just didn't create large settlements. Fantasy where you can travel for days through empty wilderness full of ruins just kinda got baked in as "not really post-apocalyptic" because Tolkien did it (as a deliberate sign of a crumbling world) and D&D did it (as a setup for exploring wilderness and ruins.)
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Sep 14, 2023 00:33
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While "post-apocalypse of a sci-fi world" is technically correct it seems, yeah the specific words and how they're typically used evokes more of a recent apocalypse of a world full of futuristic electronics and computers or something, a more typical sci-fi setting. Referring to it as the fall of an advanced civilization feels a bit better to me, an Atlantis sort of deal. That fall does sound very apocalyptic though.
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Sep 14, 2023 01:17
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Nihilarian posted:"The world is still broken" seems to be a pretty consistent message they're trying to hammer in its fine LionArcher posted:Good explanation, other than on power ability Rand is more like a 15. where is goku on this scale where is piccolo
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Sep 14, 2023 01:50
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Phenotype posted:its fine Which Goku? He pretty much definitionally is more powerful than Rand, because his plot armor is stronger.
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NinjaDebugger posted:Which Goku? He pretty much definitionally is more powerful than Rand, because his plot armor is stronger. I need more details about Goku’s plot armor so I can make an accurate comparison.
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Hey I’m only up to The Fires of Krillin, don’t loving post book spoilers in here!
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Rand's plot armor has a name
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Nihilarian posted:Rand's plot armor has a name Plot jacket.
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ok starting this next episode and i still maintain they had plenty of time to chop her to pieces and stuff her into a collection of sacks
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Another good episode. I'm pretty sure I know what's up with Lanfear now, as far as her regenerating at least. Also Aviendha!
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sweet geek swag posted:Another good episode. I'm pretty sure I know what's up with Lanfear now, as far as her regenerating at least. Also Aviendha! You can't just say this and they're not expand upon it
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pik_d posted:You can't just say this and they're not expand upon it I don't want to get more specific, other than giving Forsaken regeneration avoids certain problems that would be present in a TV adaptation.
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Sep 15, 2023 03:57
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I didn't expect Pippin to grow on me so much! Something about him gives off serious side character vibes -- he was the Big Guy in the original group's Main Guy/Main Girl/Big Guy/Sleazy Guy/Shy Girl dynamic -- so it was a surprise that he's getting so much screentime.
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Okay, finished the episode. And again, I'm only half-serious here, because you can't get all tactical realism about why the protagonists didn't immediately start mutilating a lady's corpse. But now that we know more about Lanfear, it still seems like it would have made more sense to have done SOMETHING more at the end of last episode. Holy poo poo, you run away and then you can't fall asleep EVER or she'll just Freddy Krueger you at her leisure? Like, it seems like they can't exactly put off dealing with her, and I have a hard time imagining a successful plan that begins with a better start than stabbing her in the heart and cutting her throat. That was a really good episode, and I'm enjoying this a lot more than the first season. I'm starting to wonder about how they're going to adapt future seasons, though, we've already got Rand and Perrin off on their own adventures, and now Egwene and Nynaeve look like they've been separated into their own solo journeys too.  Egwene
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Phenotype posted:Okay, finished the episode. And again, I'm only half-serious here, because you can't get all tactical realism about why the protagonists didn't immediately start mutilating a lady's corpse. But now that we know more about Lanfear, it still seems like it would have made more sense to have done SOMETHING more at the end of last episode. Holy poo poo, you run away and then you can't fall asleep EVER or she'll just Freddy Krueger you at her leisure? Like, it seems like they can't exactly put off dealing with her, and I have a hard time imagining a successful plan that begins with a better start than stabbing her in the heart and cutting her throat. Think of it this way, your society has commemorated the sealing away of the devil and his greatest archdemons. All your life those archdemons have been boogeymen, with more and more unbelievable powers each year, decade, century and millennium. And then, after 3000 years, you learn two of those archdemons are free. Which powers are real? What can they actually do? You don't know anything about their abilities, except that they terrified the most powerful society in the history of the world. I think you would find that your first reaction would be to panic. Moiraine was running scared before, but I'm guessing now that her brain is engaged she might start looking for weaknesses rather than starting at imagined strengths.
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Man every time he's in a scene Perrin's actor is just completely outclassed by everyone else. Another great episode. Really wondering how they're going to wrap up the "book" with only three left though.
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Things I Loved About This Episode: - Aviendha rules - Verin Mathwin, Undercover Spy - Lanfear's kinky dreamworld  Things I Didn't Love About This Episode: - No Mat 
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Dr. Clockwork posted:The Age of Legends still took place in a high fantasy setting, so all the technology is rooted in the One Power rather than science. Ter'angreals with specific magical functions are rare cherished artifacts by the present-day Aes Sedai, but for all we know they were household tools you could pick up at Lews-Mart down the street. I had one specific example in mind but I'll avoid it since we get real mad about book stuff here. IMO One Power IS science. At some point they discovered it as the next step beyond quantum mechanics or whatever, and they started using it. /personal pet theory
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Good episode but man I wish they would stop with all the too dark to see anything night scenes. I'm not sure if I'm getting old, bad at tv settings (plus the prime player randomly changes me into cinema mode for whatever reason) or what but it's kind of a pain to see what's going on sometimes.
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Not only did I have no issues, if you're referring to the scene where Perrin breaks Aviendha out, I even thought to myself that they made it overly bright so that it didn't even look like night time. IMO that suggests your TV settings may be the issue.
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Yeah it all looked great to me, definitely sounds like you need to fiddle with your TV settings some more.
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I do think it's a show that has enough night action to really benefit from a good OLED TV. I do see a big difference between watching on my cheaper midrange hisense with a lot of backlight bleed vs an LG Oled or even my S22 ultra's OLED screen. If the night scenes aren't lit to you though you do probably have the backlight levels on your TV too low.
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Glad we're not watching this on one of those CRTs from the 80s where the screen was mid grayish-green when turned off
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ragnarokette posted:Good episode but man I wish they would stop with all the too dark to see anything night scenes. I'm not sure if I'm getting old, bad at tv settings (plus the prime player randomly changes me into cinema mode for whatever reason) or what but it's kind of a pain to see what's going on sometimes. I think this show is being color corrected with HDR + fancy screens in mind. If you're on a TV that doesn't support those things then yeah there are a fair amount of weirdly dark scenes.
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Skyl3lazer posted:I think this show is being color corrected with HDR + fancy screens in mind. If you're on a TV that doesn't support those things then yeah there are a fair amount of weirdly dark scenes. The scene where he releases lanfear was waaaay darker on my screen than the dark bits in this episode.
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Did anyone else find the editing kind of shoddy in this episode? I thought there were multiple cuts that didn't match up.
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Moonlit Knight posted:Did anyone else find the editing kind of shoddy in this episode? I thought there were multiple cuts that didn't match up. I didn’t notice anything nearly as bad as the Egwene double-take from earlier this season. What scenes had that problem?
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Moonlit Knight posted:Did anyone else find the editing kind of shoddy in this episode? I thought there were multiple cuts that didn't match up. Yeah, Nynaeve and Elayne suddenly entering the city with no build up from where they had been previously felt a bit off. Not a major problem and it was easy to figure out "oh they found a caravan and were allowed to wander along with them" but it was still a bit shoddy.
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Moonlit Knight posted:Did anyone else find the editing kind of shoddy in this episode? I thought there were multiple cuts that didn't match up. Only one I noticed was a shot of Perrin that cut to another shot of Perrin and broke the 180° Rule so it was jarring as poo poo, but otherwise no. It felt like they were trying to stich together the best parts of two different takes of the same scene and that was the best they could manage.
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nine-gear crow posted:Only one I noticed was a shot of Perrin that cut to another shot of Perrin and broke the 180° Rule so it was jarring as poo poo, but otherwise no. What's the 180 rule?
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CainFortea posted:What's the 180 rule? https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/180-degree_rule Basically if you're gonna do a Shot/Reverse Shot scene, don't put the camera on the opposite side of an imaginary line between two characters that forms a 180° arc. The scene cut from a shot of Perrin on the left side, to a shot of Perrin on the right side, and it was just incredibly visually off-putting.
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